Has anyone bought Jafco's system?


#281

[quote=“ammaad, post:279, topic:303”]A chance for some of you seasoned roulette gurus to laugh at my expense…

On a number of occasions, I had predicted a number using jafcos system and got the ball exactly half way across from the prediction. After reading the material closely, it seems like i need a lesson in Overlap :)… Luckily i never betted more than £1 :slight_smile: and any losses were from profit i made from the vb hit that worked :)[/quote]

You are funny. Consider yourself lucky if it in 100 spins the ball ends on the other side less then 45 times.


#282

Maybe Jafco is not so nice.

I received an email form Jafco saying that even he believes in free speech, still insisting that my comments needs to be immediately retracted, he believes it is a deformation and threatening with compensation. He explained that what he describes in his document is his findings and that he wasn’t aware abut similar explanations of similar principles in other books or public forums. I’ll not publish his email since he didn’t asked me to do so, and I personally think it is degrading. But I will publish my answer.

Someone I know well told me that you’ve called my computer a dinosaurs compared to yours PDA which makes someone dishonest. Even Mark Howe admitted after 15 years selling PDA’s and mobiles as roulette computers that they are useless. He has on his site that they are useless, I have written disadvantages on FF roulette computers especially on talking FFA. Do you have on yours? If not don’t you think someone may purchase it without understanding? Actually who am I to give you lessons on ethics?

I also believe in free speech, so I speak my opinion, and it is not as you described because for long, there were not discussion about your subject. If you mean long that I said something about few years ago then again recently it doesn’t mean it is my job do to something as that but that in each discussion about same subject I have same opinion. If my opinion doesn’t match your expectations I cannot help with that.

It is interesting that you send me an email and not correcting anything that I wrote about your system, but explaining why it is as I have said. Obviously you very well know that each point I explained is correct. It is a forum thread, open for discussion, as you can see there are arguments representing different opinions. You would be correct complaining if in any way I edited the posts which do not support my arguments but I did not.

Someone else said, “I appreciate his resent publications, not the outdated ones.”
What does it mean? Same as I have said, but he also speaks positive about it, leaving impression that it is worth buying it, especially updated version. Did I remove hi opinion because it doesn’t suit mine, did I tried to force him to change his opinion as you trying to do? Of course I did not. It stays there for general public information. Someone may have your system read what I wrote and if it is dishonest or wrong it would only compromise myself, isn’t it. It is not a deformations as you believe but if you still think that it is and that you are entitled for compensation, there is nothing I can do for you. Rest is up to you.

It is ridicules from you to expect me to change my opinion or immediately retract my comments as you asked me to, but you are welcome to argue it or to write your opinion at the forum. Just don’t expect me to agree. If you want I can add your email to the post as your opinion however I believe it is not right to make any threats or pressure on someone that didn’t say a single wrong and manipulative thing about your system. The only one making manipulation to public is yourself with videos about accuracy of prediction which do not even closely represent reality of real casino play.

How can you say for constructive criticism and logic explanation of facts be too far? I never used word “plagiarist” but only explained that what you described in your system was already described. That relates to two diamonds overlap, identifying tilted wheel, understanding tilted wheel affect, and targeting particular ball rotation for prediction. If that is known and used then what is new?

We call it a traditional VB, and I didn’t meet a single VB player who were not already familiar with all of that. I am sorry but if you decided to divide year to 12 months 52 weeks and 365 days without knowing that it is already in use, it doesn’t mean that it is your calendar but Romans. How I can be wrong if saying it is already done by Romans? Somewhere in primary school as advanced mathematician I discovered sign and cosign, didn’t take me long to lean that it is already in use. Lucky I didn’t publish a book about it.

Why do you think I cannot say that if I read your document and already know everything since it is already explained in other documents or even public forums, that I am disappointed because it is only an explanation of something already explained? Some people say it is a nice explanation, I don’t argue, since it is a nice explanation. I also believe it is your own explanation and not copied. Simple as that.

My disappointment is because you advertised it as a something new. If you were not familiar with any publications on the subject as you explained that you’ve discovered it by yourself it is new only for yourself but not for the public to which you were selling it. Now when you know it is not new will you rectify the mistake? If not, does it mean you prefer sales instead of the truth?
I’ve never said that your cards were used before however I do have my negative opinion on them.


Evolution of roulettes advantage play
#283

@ Forester, send Jafco to f…k off and please focus on the Timer ;D. I take all good words about him back. Such an unpleasant person!!!


#284

Reading such email than trying to understand what did author trying to say, that thinking and writing what to answer if time consuming job. Still I lose more time with BB but from his 100 posts at least one move things forward. Past few years things a quiet. Mark switched from mobile phones RC to something similar as FF, Stefano is quiet, there is no even complains about him. That saves a lot of time and makes me happy. Jafco was Ok, once before he sent me an email but there wasn’t any threats just an attempt to reconsider my opinion. I cannot, it is what it is, however I recognize that it can help someone who has no idea about VB.

I am a bit confused with what he really wants, perhaps for me to say nothing so he can keep impression based on his videos how with his system is easy to win when what he presents is too far from reality on casino wheels.

What many people do not know but I do is that some of Ritz team players or associated with them still playing, in UK as well, there is no more wins of 1.3m but there are wins of few thousands a week.
It passed years from famous Ritz team wins in casinos. For which money they would invite “strangers” to their home and teach them to play as them?

Based on Jafcos videos he would be more skilled than a Ritz team players, so who can explain to me why would someone so skilled spend 5 hours with Ammaad in comfort of his home to sell the system?
When I say winning in casino is far more complicated and harder than often it is presented from people selling the system, how wrong I can be?


#285

Update… I have managed to get a +ve margin. Never needed a bankroll of more than £40. The system works. One needs practise and patience. I am still learning on how to make my adjustments as ball conditions change, dealers signature change, different wheel type. Also need to be able to spot conditions changing earlier.

As a user i don’t care who invented the roulette wheel. I don’t care for book authors. I don’t care for anything but results. With Jafcos system i got the results after putting in hours of practise. As a customer and a total newbie to roulette, I will know this as Jafcos system.

I hope to be able to review other methods but for now I want to make more money… Thanks for all ur help guys.


#286

[quote=“ammaad, post:285, topic:303”]Update… I have managed to get a +ve margin. Never needed a bankroll of more than £40. The system works. One needs practise and patience. I am still learning on how to make my adjustments as ball conditions change, dealers signature change, different wheel type. Also need to be able to spot conditions changing earlier.

As a user i don’t care who invented the roulette wheel. I don’t care for book authors. I don’t care for anything but results. With Jafcos system i got the results after putting in hours of practise. As a customer and a total newbie to roulette, I will know this as Jafcos system.

I hope to be able to review other methods but for now I want to make more money… Thanks for all ur help guys.[/quote]Could you define please, what is for you " dealler signature change"?


#287

Internet is full of testimonials like that, should try something new.


#288

Internet is full of testimonials like that, should try something new.[/quote]Do you think ammad is jafco? That would be funny :). !


#289

I wouldn’t know, I even don’t know his voice only occasionally someone comes to forum to tell us how he spent with Jafco few hours claiming that he is a nice guy. On videos Jafco doesn’t talk, doesn’t explain, only showing how he wouldn’t need much money to win.

Let’s say there are many honest people who do not have a need to come to forum, to ask for advice, but have a need to tell the world how they just bought or have a good roulette system. It is a phenomenal for roulette. When someone buys a roulette system and need only 40 pounds to win obviously the system is so good, since often I need far more than that. It is I not nice to be a skeptical about people maybe I should read Jafcos document again, who knows maybe I missed something.


#290

[quote=“forester, post:289, topic:303”]I wouldn’t know, I even don’t know his voice only occasionally someone comes to forum to tell us how he spent with Jafco few hours claiming that he is a nice guy. On videos Jafco doesn’t talk, doesn’t explain, only showing how he wouldn’t need much money to win.

Let’s say there are many honest people who do not have a need to come to forum, to ask for advice, but have a need to tell the world how they just bought or have a good roulette system. It is a phenomenal for roulette. When someone buys a roulette system and need only 40 pounds to win obviously the system is so good, since often I need far more than that. It is I not nice to be a skeptical about people maybe I should read Jafcos document again, who knows maybe I missed something.[/quote]Sometimes 40 pound is enough. I use such session bankroll. Need some good hitts to rase betts.
But to belive that newbuy would do it… lm sceptical myself.
Never know what kind of wheels/ conditions they have there dow. Jufco still advocate 2 second use for rotor, wich l find not enough. However his charting method is good, it permitts see qweak what is going on the wheel.
Even Jafco himself says that proficiency in using his method will come with practice. I myself find that its not the method that permitts to winn ( they all are pritty similar) , but sett of gavorable conditions together with wheel characteristics.


#291
Never needed a bankroll of more than £40.
Never and sometimes are two very different words.

#292

[quote=“forester, post:291, topic:303”]

Never needed a bankroll of more than £40.

Never and sometimes are two very different words.[/quote]l found one wheel with huge diamonds in action currently. When they use teflon ball, game become borring :). There even 20 would be enough. So sad its not connected to betting terminals >:(

#293

sergiy
i find that some dealers will have the same rotor speed per direction and similar ball speeds. if a dealer spins the rotor fast then i add some offset to jafcos cards. so when a new dealer comes i need to recalibrate. i do not have any data on whether the dealer change will cause changes in pin dominance. it something i will work on after getting ysed to the basics.

i am not jafco as he is caucasian… i am an indian by ethnicity. happy to switch on a web cam and wave for you sergiy :slight_smile:

40 single straight up bets is more than enough to bring in winnings. i bet only single chips at a time while i am learning. when i get better i will bet more… it wont be long before my wife insists on me raising my bets anyway. she was skeptical up until she saw my predictions… i don’t really need anyone here to believe me. just giving some honest feedback as the topic thread is about jafcos system.

one day i will attempt to learn vb2 and see how viable it is. hope to be able to review it without some numbnut accusing me of being forester.

someone offered to give some advice on card memorisation… please advise me :slight_smile:


#294

if i cant win 1 of 40 straight up bets then its not a lucky day either… . cheaper to stay in bed :slight_smile:


#295

@ammaad
Do you have charts for ball jumps?


#296

if you mean average scatter per wheel type, my answer is no. i simply recalibrate my jafco card. it has varied from 3 pockets less scatter to 9 pockets more scatter. i recalibrate when i consistently miss and i try to analyse a mean and mode of difference in both directions. at the same time i like to understand if i should be playing at all. eg a 2s rotor is inaccurate for me. i would rather walk and not bet. i know this method may not be to the liking of puritanical mathmaticians but it been effective for me so far. except for certain huxley wheels with yellow ivorine balls and very deep pockets… i dont play these tables or waste my time analysing. my main concerns are trying to uphold basic disciplines and try to keep away from newbie mistakes that can harm margin. i look to more experienced players here for those pearls of wisdom.


#297

my biggest issue is being able to get my eye in to judge a 5r ball or a 4r. it can take me a lot of time. i hope that as i become more experienced that my brain and eye can judge the diiference between a 5r max and 4.75r max ball. i usually go conservative and judge a rev too late. its something that would improve my own margin a lot. i have learned to simply not bet when unsure of ball speed. a bet not made is money saved.


#298

[quote=“ammaad, post:296, topic:303”]if you mean average scatter per wheel type, my answer is no. i simply recalibrate my jafco card. it has varied from 3 pockets less scatter to 9 pockets more scatter. i recalibrate when i consistently miss and i try to analyse a mean and mode of difference in both directions. at the same time i like to understand if i should be playing at all. eg a 2s rotor is inaccurate for me. i would rather walk and not bet. i know this method may not be to the liking of puritanical mathmaticians but it been effective for me so far. except for certain huxley wheels with yellow ivorine balls and very deep pockets… i dont play these tables or waste my time analysing. my main concerns are trying to uphold basic disciplines and try to keep away from newbie mistakes that can harm margin. i look to more experienced players here for those pearls of wisdom.[/quote]@Ammaad, are you far away from London? Im curios about that wheel with deep pokets.
To identify revolution better is not that straight forward procces, its explained in jafco update to the system a bit and in his dealler signature update. You need a timer for that, wich you can sett for specific time interval. You may use timer in Foresters ffv/ ffz. However you will be " undecided" if you start timer one revolution earlier or later. If Forester make update to the timer following my explanation on the doc l sent him, this issue will be fixed. If not, you may wait a bit till my timer is ready ( lm in the process to produce one wich can be used to address this issue as well).
Speaking openly, your issues with revolution identification more probably has its origin in the way dealler throw the ball.
Dealler may give aditional spin to the ball ( forward/ beckward). It naturally mess with timings of ball , making our task more complicated. Its like have 3 different wheel/ ball combinations with ( normal/ back/ forward) spin. You may see with the time that filtering at least one of these out ( backspin), may encrease your winning margin. Backspin produces a lot of noice in its early revolutions of ball. It will rotate qweak, but when back rotating moument start to dominate, it will deccelerate qweak as well. Even if you catch particular ball speed during back spin, relative dictance till strike may vary up to 20 pokets, producing additional error in your calculations.
Filtering back spin out ( if you choose to do so, becouse in some cases it may be beneficial), will live you with 2 different spin development patterns to play- normall spin and forward spin. To filter between these you need to observe distances ball make in periods of time ( egeinst some benchmark). This is where timer is used. You not only have to try to catch your target revolution, but sertify yourself that ball deccelerate as expected. For that you look ball traveling distance in relation to your observation point ( dd ). I myself use up to 5 target time intervals, looking position of ball in relation of my observation diamond when time ends. It permits to detect ball as going according to the " sample" or faster / more slowly. You may use any time interval that suits you best, but it has to be long enough to manifest differences in the spin development pattern.


#299
my biggest issue is being able to get my eye in to judge a 5r ball or a 4r. it can take me a lot of time. i hope that as i become more experienced that my brain and eye can judge the diiference between a 5r max and 4.75r max ball. i usually go conservative and judge a rev too late. its something that would improve my own margin a lot. i have learned to simply not bet when unsure of ball speed. a bet not made is money saved.
Main point of traditional VB is a good process of identifying the particular moment in the spin. On older wheels it can be done reasonably good. One of techniques is to watch for the “knee point” . It Is a moment where you can notice the ball suddenly takes longer time for a rotation. When testing I predicted thousands of spins where the RC predicts in particular ball rotation so I get feeling to judge when is the moment but, without RC that feeling can be easy lost.

Just watching new wheel in casino and defining ball rotation is hard. If the ball doesn’t jump much even with significant amount of mistakes you can still achieve advantage, but often the ball jumps distribution is wide and taking huge amount form advantage achieved by defining balls drop point. If the ball deceleration is smooth without “knee point” you need a good timer, or perhaps try VB2.

VB2 compensates for missed ball rotation, so it doesn’t matter if you predict in 6,7 or 8th ball rotation.
You should read
Evolution of roulettes advantage play
http://rouletteplace.com/index.php?topic=1019.0
Understanding roulette wheel
http://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,1481

If you have a wheel with deep pockets, you should learn to exploit it.
You say you have no idea about jumps charts, but that is a first thing you need to know.

In usual wheels with deep pockets have smaller ball jumps distribution? That is the biggest advantage you actually have. If on some other wheel it may be easier for you to predict, most likely wider ball jumps would reduce achieved advantage, lowering it under what you could have with the deep pockets wheel.

And yes, do you mind sending me a PM where did you find such easy wheels?


#300

i can tell you what i do for easy wheels… one can approximate and use a number of factors.
perform a statistic on pin dominance whilst a dealer is on autopilot. if done in each direction you can approximate which pins seems dominant vs which dealer is spinning. there are some dealers that i dont bother using vb. they are inconsistent. i am trying to work out the shifts of a few dealers that i can read. eg one particular dealer spins the rotor with 1.5 pocket per second and calls nmb late. this is a clear vb gift. pin is statistically pin 3… the thing is the situation is ripe for a predator. and i have taken advantage using jafco 3 rev cards that have the ball aim at 2 anti clockwise and 10 clockwise rotor. it is about finding particular advantages… and these are the things that arouse my predatory instincts.
there are dealers that call late nmb. even allow a bet on last 1.5 ball rev. i am trying to make cards for such opportunity. wheel bounce stats can be estimated… do you have stats for cammegh classic?