Has anyone bought Jafco's system?


#261

Keep learning.


#262

best advice for a beginner. thank you.


#263

just got back home from genting… i managed to hit 5 visual straight ups using the system. i have practised every day for a week now. what i have learned…

  1. better accuracy using a metronome (to be honest… its 100% needed) - i downloaded an android app “VibraSeq” which is more discrete than the larger metronomes.
  2. dont look desperate to get chips on the table… i got noticed 4 times by 3 different croupiers. 2 of them asked how i managed to predict the numbers as they clocked my last minute dash to put a chip on the number.
  3. try to predict using 5 revolutions to final drop… otherwise the dealers nmb call will happen before the prediction :frowning:
  4. only sit at a table where the croupier gives the ball a good powerful spin… this gives time to work on ball speed and position accuracy. i wasted a lot of time and money by sitting with slow croupiers who shoot and call nmb 5 seconds after…

i slowly gave back the money to the casino whilst waiting for the slowmo croupiers to be replaced… by the time i got a fast dealer… the metronome on my phone ran out of juice… lesson learned - switch off metronome when not in use. also try going to a different casino to check out anomalous wheels… its cheaper and less boring than waiting for a croupier to be changed.

i love vb now… it took me ages to get my eye in… many hours of monotony but i feel i am improving… feels great being able to predict neighbours. you get a real sense of achievement. once i have got jafcos methodology working smoothly, i might learn other methods… i dont know if any vb method can predict where dealers just throw a ball with 5 revolutions worth of kinetic energy and call nmb with 3 revs to go…


#264

Must be that you found 30y old roulette wheel, with rapid ball deceleration, low ball jumps distribution and strong tilt. Even with more advanced systems as Laurances Scotts or Masterroulette which include method of identifying particular ball rotation instead of just guessing, on new wheels will have only small advantage.

Metronom battery should last for hours, other way if it gets flat because of voltage drop the timing may change except if the timing is digital s the FF uses with additional voltage regulator.


#265

[quote=“ammaad, post:263, topic:303”]just got back home from genting… i managed to hit 5 visual straight ups using the system. i have practised every day for a week now. what i have learned…

  1. better accuracy using a metronome (to be honest… its 100% needed) - i downloaded an android app “VibraSeq” which is more discrete than the larger metronomes.
  2. dont look desperate to get chips on the table… i got noticed 4 times by 3 different croupiers. 2 of them asked how i managed to predict the numbers as they clocked my last minute dash to put a chip on the number.
  3. try to predict using 5 revolutions to final drop… otherwise the dealers nmb call will happen before the prediction :frowning:
  4. only sit at a table where the croupier gives the ball a good powerful spin… this gives time to work on ball speed and position accuracy. i wasted a lot of time and money by sitting with slow croupiers who shoot and call nmb 5 seconds after…

i slowly gave back the money to the casino whilst waiting for the slowmo croupiers to be replaced… by the time i got a fast dealer… the metronome on my phone ran out of juice… lesson learned - switch off metronome when not in use. also try going to a different casino to check out anomalous wheels… its cheaper and less boring than waiting for a croupier to be changed.

i love vb now… it took me ages to get my eye in… many hours of monotony but i feel i am improving… feels great being able to predict neighbours. you get a real sense of achievement. once i have got jafcos methodology working smoothly, i might learn other methods… i dont know if any vb method can predict where dealers just throw a ball with 5 revolutions worth of kinetic energy and call nmb with 3 revs to go…[/quote]Don’t bother to play wrong deallers. You may use ball itself to time wheel if dealler is consystent in his weak throw. Its a huge sacrifice of accuracy, unless you find some other aditional predictor. Yes, thete are methods to predict very early at the spin, but , even if you find one, develop skill to filter ball throw by its decceleration. You can hear the spin. Listen carefully for ball noice in first revolutions of ball. Filter for loud ( lots of chatter)/normall/ quiet. With the quiet, look how far ball travel from your expected diamond hitt ( may overshoot for one or two diamonds), avoid ball that makes a lot of noice of chattering.


#266

[quote=“forester, post:264, topic:303”]Must be that you found 30y old roulette wheel, with rapid ball deceleration, low ball jumps distribution and strong tilt. Even with more advanced systems as Laurances Scotts or Masterroulette which include method of identifying particular ball rotation instead of just guessing, on new wheels will have only small advantage.

Metronom battery should last for hours, other way if it gets flat because of voltage drop the timing may change except if the timing is digital s the FF uses with additional voltage regulator.[/quote] Your information about what jafco teaches is outdated. His method is best described method of vb by now. Im not his student, lm just beeng objective.


#267

Best described means nothing, and I can’t agree even with that. How few pages of PDF can compare to LS two volumes.
What LS explained 25 years ago Jafco explained 10% of that few years ago. No process to identify ball rotation, no process for timing the rotor, except cards which can be used only at kitchen table. He took 2 diamonds overlap from LS explanation and called it his system. I can’t see a single new thing that he brought to daylight to improve VB.


#268

Ammaad it sound great that you get private lessons from John.
Ask him to teach you have to deal with 2 & 3 pin game - you will need that knowledge when you play for real.

Ammaad have you memorize the wheel in your head, so you can tell numbers in a split secound, if not i can teach you.

Cheers


#269

Gentlemen,
i was sticking to the topic and trying to give a beginners view of jafcos method. to me, it doesn’t matter if he plaigarised line by line. for me, its kind of achieving a goal. if he has distilled something into a few pages that someone else had to write a major text book over, then good for jafco. its a true skill to be brief. a few amazing physicists have phd thesis that span a few pages. (i think dirac was one of them.)
I am not saying that jafco is superior or inferior to anyone. its the only one i have tried. i thank you for the advice on the metronome battery and advice on ball filtering (though i dont understand precisely at this moment). I would be grateful for a method to memorise the numbers so that i can become more effective and go into a human "autopilot"
I am open to any other systems you guys recommend. I just need to keep on learning this one as i have a way to go.
jafco did introduce me to 2 pin wheels and how to play them. he also offered some help on 3 pin which i will take once i have my eye and card co-ordination honed.
i forgot to mention… 2 dealers at genting and 1 dealer at grosvenor asked… “how did you do that?”… they realised i was away from the norm… it means i was doing something right. these are not old table, not the same dealer and not the same casino.
i do find it a hassle having to drop vision momentarily to the card, then looking at the wheel where i am targetting, then looking at the ball and hoping i have not missed the ball moment. the little voice in my head says… dont do it as you might be too late/early… it puts me off but i hope that practise will solve it.
an earlier commentator was spot on about ball deceleration - jafco videos show how difficult they can be in vb… i dont have the experience level to be able to think about all these moving parts yet.

my questions -

  1. how long have people practised to make the vb process seamless
  2. are there any more tips for a newbie that you can give to help accelerate learning
  3. what should newbies not do? eg jafco insisted for me not to go to a casino and use his system without becoming proficient… uhm… to late :stuck_out_tongue:

answers gratefully received :slight_smile:


#270

How to play them?


#271

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How to play them?
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my apologies for not being clear… i was talking about the 2 diamond overlap strategy jafco plagiarised from Lawrence scott. even if it were plagiarised, i am grateful for jafcos materials as they have been effective so far. i am not saying other methods are not as effective. i only have experience of this particular one.

i would like to look at vb2… from my first impressions of you, i think vb2 is going to be a mathematically rigorous venture. i have no problem with that as i am a physicist.


#272

Best described means nothing, and I can’t agree even with that. How few pages of PDF can compare to LS two volumes.
What LS explained 25 years ago Jafco explained 10% of that few years ago. No process to identify ball rotation, no process for timing the rotor, except cards which can be used only at kitchen table. He took 2 diamonds overlap from LS explanation and called it his system. I can’t see a single new thing that he brought to daylight to improve VB.[/quote]Forester, no need to jump into persipitated conclusions. Now he teaches well. Ill send you link on the skype later on.
Value of both books of Lourence is in one - two sentences in the first book. Its where he explanes how to adjust for different decceleration pattern( crossover/ feel). Main info is not populated there. As l can judge, for what l know, Bebedictus buils his play on these 2 sentences. Me as well ;).
I build spredsheet to isolate different kinds of overlaps and compare with expected averages. Then I tested it egeinst his (Jafco)overlaps charts, have to admit that he is accurate. I really do like his way of identifying ball rotation , its simply good.
Besides that, l know people who play as jafco taught them and winn. Do you know anyone who can implement lourence method besides lourence himself?


#273

real genius or skill comes from taking something complex and then being able to articulate it and break it down into simple palatable morsels of knowledge for the students.

  1. the systems is a simple process and there is no need for users to understand the physics of kinetics. it can appeal to people with non technical backgrounds. its accessible.
  2. materials are clear and to the point (brevity is good)
  3. no jargon is used
  4. i have been effective in using it… as far as a total novice can be expected.

i cannot knock the system or the teacher. in my culture we respect every teacher and recognise their input in our lives.


#274
Forester, no need to jump into persipitated conclusions. Now he teaches well.
What are you saying, now he learned and 2 years ago he was selling lemon.

Think outside box or even better without box.

One person says
“Ask him to teach you have to deal with 2 & 3 pin game”
The other person says
“jafco did introduce me to 2 pin wheels and how to play them”
I asked How, but no answer. Opps, so what they were really saying?

Should read; The Emperor’s New Clothes

LS book is a law, there is nothing after that that in any way made it better.

“egeinst his (Jafco)overlaps charts, have to admit that he is accurate.”

What did you say with that? How overlaps accuracy can relate to a person.
Overlaps can only relate to the wheel, you know about them or you don’t know, someone explained you or not, they are there regardless you know it or not, simple as that.

“ Besides that, l know people who play as jafco taught them and winn. Do you know anyone who can implement lourence method besides lourence himself?”

That is stupid, and an ugly phrase someone wrote to discredit LS, and if i remember right it as someone trying to promote jafcos system at the start. How that can be if what Jafco explains is only 10%, can you tell me one thing that he uses to improve traditional VB? Tell me one new thing because of which he can call the system Jafcos?

Maybe you know VB players capable to win but it has nothing to do with Jafco but with traditional VB. Ritz team play is based on LS. You simply do not understand. In the 80 roulette game in casinos was badly hit, casinos didn’t now what to do. Imagine wheels with 20mm pocket and someone’s knowlade of VB.
You have Mike a forum member, he has stories, at that time he could place 10mm cardboard under one side of the wheel and they would spin the wheel all night. LS is actually one who screwed it with his book, simply to many people become aware so casino had to start changing things. He is a part of history. Later on he come up with volume 2 where he was suggesting to try identify rotation with observation and sound.

Jafco start writing about VB only few years ago. He had predictions only in 4, 3, 2 to the end of spin rotations, he made cards about rotor movement based on ball color, which is ridicules. Believed that overlap happens only on front and not on the back. Soon after come masteroulette which is almost same as jafco, he only added to identify ball rotation with knee point which places him a head.

I know VB players playing right now in London while Jafco for 5 hours teaches someone as ammaad
in confort of his home. VB players do not make millions but still make few thousands. If they say it’s hard and someone who say he spent ages but got introduced to VB the system last week say it is easy, I have no second thoughts.


#275

the topic was… “has anyone bought jafcos system”. I have. I gave my opinions.

I have subscribed for your vb2 and paid via paypal. I have an open mind.


#276

VB2 has bad explanation.


#277

…just as long as you haven’t plagiarised jafco, we should be good ;D


#278

Forester;, as told befor just relax and let me send you things he teaches now. Probably you gonna like it. I appreciate his resent publications, not the outdated ones.
Now he gives method of identifying particular ball rotation wich is much more presise then lourence one. Well, it is so in my tweak , but he actually mentioned this possibility ( almoust indirectly).
Have you seen his overlaps chart? Yes, l know that you described it befor, l give you a credit for that. And who invented the damn thing was Edward Thorpe. Doesn’t matter, he gives general compriention of what overlaps are and how to deal with them.
Its a good place to start for newbuy.


#279

A chance for some of you seasoned roulette gurus to laugh at my expense…

On a number of occasions, I had predicted a number using jafcos system and got the ball exactly half way across from the prediction. After reading the material closely, it seems like i need a lesson in Overlap :)… Luckily i never betted more than £1 :slight_smile: and any losses were from profit i made from the vb hit that worked :slight_smile:


#280
I appreciate his resent publications, not the outdated ones.
Put it this way, Stefano’s Genuine Winner, first he claimed is based on a [u]secret golden spiral found in nature[/u] that he discovered and could implement on roulette. Made a stories how he extremely rich. He sent me an email how he is always surrounded by 6 armed securities to protect him, how he is developing electronic kidney etc. When he couldn’t continue with scam any more he come up with new story, how he teaches LS VB and bias in his system. While before people complained that they were scammed now they can’t, can they?

With Jafco all I could see heavy Google advertisement and misleading videos, and hear, well it works on Jafcos wheel but not in casino, same for his RC or VB. Sure I understand all problems associated with predictions but products are far below expectations.

“Have you seen his overlaps chart? Yes, l know that you described it before, l give you a credit for that. And who invented the damn thing was Edward Thorpe. Doesn't matter, he gives general compriention of what overlaps are and how to deal with them. Its a good place to start for newbuy. “

It is not a matter who talked about that first. Problem is that Jafco claimed it as his system and something new. It is as if someone says I have new the best system to travel 20 x faster which will give you the edge over the others. You buy it and he explains you how to buy a car so instead of up to 20 km/h walking or cycling you can travel 200km/h. Well perhaps he didn’t know that other people dive cars as well.