Understanding roulette wheel and exploiting possibilities


#41
What i feel you forget to mention is that the ball does not make the deceleration at the same spot on the ball track. It is different each time for each new spin.
What you mean " decelerattion is diferent each time for each new spin " ? It seems that you never clocked ball ?

If yes then do such experiment clock exact10th ball round and second ball round then caculate ball decelerattion between tenth and second - do that 10 times and you will see that in all spins decelerattion is the same. So not talk what you not know.

Decelerattion can be diferent only when something changes meteorogical condittions or something else. I can say that must changes in ball decelerattion do dust and wet on balltrack.


#42

I am not sure what you mean, but this is physics.
If you time the ball or clocking the ball where it divide at exact 1.0 sec - then this does not happen on the same spot on the ball track - because based upon different parameters

This mean that you might think you could clock a ball using same deflector and thinking you get the same time intervall.
But that is not the truth.

Ball divide at different spots on the ball track at specific time intervall, because the ball have different exit point from chaotic moment during spin and before it start rolling on the ball track.
Any one say different, don’t know physics.

I can prove my point, can you ?
Set thumper at 1.0 sec and watch ball each time thumper vibrates (position on ball track).
When ball is faster and slower then 1.0 sec it divide on the ball track or show up on almost same spot on the ball track.

This spot is different for each spin, ball divide at different spots on the ball track with same time intervall.
Reverse this means that the ball has no memory or that you could clocking ball using a static observation point and expect same time intervall.
It is different for each spin.

With time this can be the difference using VB and not computer -
9.10
9.35
9.55
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9.10


#43

[quote=“lucky_strike, post:40, topic:804”]Thanks for a great topic Forester.

What i feel you forget to mention is that the ball does not make the deceleration at the same spot on the ball track.
It is different each time for each new spin.
This has to do with dealers release point and the chaotic behavior during the first 700 ms before ball start rolling on the ball track.

It also have to do with what you use as your main focus pin when clocking the wheel to get acc time frame.
Is about to pick the weakest spot to get ball end up within 0.25 0.50 0.75 …
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I have many times been thinking that you could determine where the ball will smack into a deflector most of times, if you could isolate where the ball divide and hit knee point on the ball track with the exact same time intervall from A to B.
Same spin force.
You probably increase the acc if you pick the weakest deflector as you main focus pin.

My opinion.[/quote]Strange enough, l had same idea ( about ball deviding place). Some test is needed… like same spin , different places to start timer. If you measure ball with rotor ( same rotor speed) , then it could work teoreticaly. More confidence probably would come with ball crossovers, but as well , where to start the timer is sensitive.


#44
where to start the timer is sensitive

But you can use same deflector as observation point when you start count or measuring the ball before it divide and it will still divide at different spots.
I test this and know that is the truth.


#45
I can prove my point, can you ?
Believe me i can prove and more i can do that direct in casino not only on paper .
Ball divide at different spots on the ball track at specific time intervall
What you mean saying "ball divide" ?
Set thumper at 1.0 sec and watch ball each time thumper vibrates (position on ball track). When ball is faster and slower then 1.0 sec it divide on the ball track or show up on almost same spot on the ball track.
This way you want to find posittion where ball is 1,0 sec per round ? Then caunt time till ball drops. If yes then much more easy and hundreeds times more acurate is to do video with camera which films 300frame per second and then look wideo frame after frame. I not know if mine English is so bad but really i not understand what you really want to say. If somebody understand and can write all more clear please do that. For now ansver like understand - you say that ball decelerattion is always diferent , i say - NO. To prove that sugest for you do video with 300fps camera and do video on 10 spins which go in order one after one. Then measure time acordingly video from 10th ball round till end till secons round til end and look to ball decelerattion in theese 8 ball rounds . It will be the same in all spins . If it is not the same then means that are dust on ball track ( more often reason ) wet or fat ( more rare but also often ) so if you notice diferent decelerattions - clean balltrack and all repeat.

Of course that decelerattion not will be exact equal in miliseconds but it is enough equal that we can predict remaining time and ball distance quite good.
If decelerattion is chaotick like you write we cant predict nothing .
If you want i can do online test and show for you that i am right.


#46

the both of you are right guys, but you speak about two different things!!! :wink:

regards

P.S.: ww.youtube.com/watch?v=qpH7sC_if0U


#47

[quote=“bebediktus, post:45, topic:804”]

I can prove my point, can you ?

Believe me i can prove and more i can do that direct in casino not only on paper .
Ball divide at different spots on the ball track at specific time intervall
What you mean saying "ball divide" ?
Set thumper at 1.0 sec and watch ball each time thumper vibrates (position on ball track). When ball is faster and slower then 1.0 sec it divide on the ball track or show up on almost same spot on the ball track.
This way you want to find posittion where ball is 1,0 sec per round ? Then caunt time till ball drops. If yes then much more easy and hundreeds times more acurate is to do video with camera which films 300frame per second and then look wideo frame after frame. I not know if mine English is so bad but really i not understand what you really want to say. If somebody understand and can write all more clear please do that. For now ansver like understand - you say that ball decelerattion is always diferent , i say - NO. To prove that sugest for you do video with 300fps camera and do video on 10 spins which go in order one after one. Then measure time acordingly video from 10th ball round till end till secons round til end and look to ball decelerattion in theese 8 ball rounds . It will be the same in all spins . If it is not the same then means that are dust on ball track ( more often reason ) wet or fat ( more rare but also often ) so if you notice diferent decelerattions - clean balltrack and all repeat.

Of course that decelerattion not will be exact equal in miliseconds but it is enough equal that we can predict remaining time and ball distance quite good.
If decelerattion is chaotick like you write we cant predict nothing .
If you want i can do online test and show for you that i am right.[/quote] lll try try to show points that lucky highlights. Ball devide means that ball pass from velocity less then 1 sec / rotation to more then 1 sec/ rotation. Desseleration is not equal could mean that ball decelerate differently from spin to spin due to the spin properties. Some have back spin, and you gonna see kind of open crosspattern, some are normal ( leg pattern) ets… Different patterns could lead to different diamonds/ drop zones or ammount of rotations whatsoever. … rest of it ask Lucky, cos its his methodology


#48
lll try try to show points that lucky highlights. Ball devide means that ball pass from velocity less then 1 sec / rotation to more then 1 sec/ rotation.
Still nothing understand
ball pass from velocity less then 1 sec / rotation to more then 1 sec/ rotation
Ok that is natural ball speed slow down. But what from that ?
Desseleration is not equal could mean that ball decelerate differently from spin to spin due to the spin properties.
So you mean that in one spin we have 1000 and then 1200 ms but in next we can have 1000 and next round 1300 ? If you think so then you never will win.
Some have back spin, and you gonna see kind of open crosspattern, some are normal ( leg pattern) ets... Different patterns could lead to different diamonds/ drop zones or ammount of rotations whatsoever.
Here not understand at all how ball moving in ball track can have back patern ? At all paterns ? About what you here ? Guys you something miss here :)

#49

Ill unswer pm


#50

@lucky if you mean position of ball in rotation makes decc. different there was talk about that, it more relates to VB.

I am familiar with RC disadvantages and working to make it simpler, closer to matter of just pushing the button.


#51

Probably , educate players about dealler differences would be the way. RC is a tool. Its like a screwdriver, if screws are twisted, there is no point to make screwdriver better…


#52

[sup] RC is a tool. Its like a screwdriver, if screws are twisted, there is no point to make screwdriver better…[/sup]
Do not forget, RC+player are better than just screwdriver. They are like a Swiss pocket knife, have screwdrivers, screw extractors, drilling broaches etc.
I’m not joking.
I was out of the forum for more than 14 months, and part of the reasons was; 1. I have good RC ( one of R7 acrobat version) I’m playing and have constant positive balance in every casino I play , 2. discussion and development here goes let me say it… wrong way.


#53

That still doesn’t set you free from making switches :stuck_out_tongue:

Working on a program where set up is not so much important.
The program updates after each spin, uses feedback for corrections and includes various rotor speeds.

It is a matter of putting it all together.
After that virtually it would be just mater of pressing the switch.

If the wheel is playable it should show positive results.


#54

You are right. R7 was good enough. The trick is to look to roulette not only befor the prediction, but after as well :D. But even best swiss knife don’t make you swiss soldier. That what was my point. Ff operates timings, not conditions… conditions are the job of player and l belive there is not turnaround to this fact. Well, there is one, but its another story. Btw, just out of curiosity. … did you managed to make it account for multiple drop zones? I didn’t.


#55
...1. I have good RC ( one of R7 acrobat version)...

my apologise but still think that R8 is the best one and with more stable predictions than R7. the R7 leaves me sometimes to totally wrong way and had big losses with it, my personal opinion that R8 maintains stable predictions longer time than R7, doesn’t mean that I have so many wins with it but it is just a personal opinion.

by the way, Forester pls stay away from Australia, anb. interested why take a look on the videos below - so cool :stuck_out_tongue:

regards


#56
by the way, Forester pls stay away from Australia, anb. interested why take a look on the videos below - so cool :P

I was there few months ago, while I learned inland there were only fresh water crocks (they are OK)

, i never thought that in rain-fores a snake could attack.

I assume a snake wouldn’t do it on 2 people but we never know.

In one of Brisbane city parks lives a 3m python, can see him but no idea what he eats.


#57

At Forester,
If you need switch just ask :P, I’ll think what can I do for you 8)
About new program,
I still remember motto about engineer or designer who reach perfection by deducting instead of adding.

At Sergiy,
Priwiet!

At x1x0,
good for you.
right now I’m testing R8.
I feel that timing is even more accurate, first impression was very good, but… R8 returned me (twice) prediction when ball actually hit next diamond. ( I played with one set, auto play disabled, 0 after spin data). Better timing results and in the same time wider tolerance/resolution window??? Forester I need to understand what you actually did. :o

At PM’s question,
I use regular R7e
I play with one set on dd, if there are 2dd’s I use special set for other dd on the same direction. Never use offset. I add offset after prediction depends former played/observed spin.
I have to know which diamond/set prediction I’m going to play. Zaps/pulses pointing diamond are fare to late, always after NMB.
I’m timing ball always on same revolutions 7-5, or 6-4 depends on dealer. Never click again if first two rotations results with silence from FF. Such a prediction if happens is nearly always shifted.
If there are no prediction and dd hit is still proper, playable ,it is enough to recognize by ball behavior if actual spin was faster or slower than set, how conditions on the table shifts. Next spin timing point should be shifted before or after former point.
This is my way to observe understand and follow the wheel.
Such a play needs practice… results with predictions I can trust and play.


#58
I play with one set on dd, if there are 2dd's I use special set for other dd on the same direction. Never use offset. I add offset after prediction depends former played/observed spin. I have to know which diamond/set prediction I'm going to play. Zaps/pulses pointing diamond are fare to late, always after NMB. I'm timing ball always on same revolutions 7-5, or 6-4 depends on dealer. Never click again if first two rotations results with silence from FF. Such a prediction if happens is nearly always shifted.

Really good aproach to the game. I also almoust all do the same only i write setting manually from several samples something like averidge or say optimal. With simply clocking i rare got good result.

If there are no prediction and dd hit is still proper, playable ,it is enough to recognize by ball behavior if actual spin was faster or slower than set, how conditions on the table shifts. Next spin timing point should be shifted before or after former point.
I also try to find best place for clocking to cach optimal ball speed. And i use special setting when i write manually to get wider zone for predicting, but then i write abit diferent few last ball round values to get compensattion for that wider zone and always follow principe that faster ball usually have more chances to do longer distance, so when i have few lines pointing to the same diamond that line with faster speed have in last ball rounds abit more time and with slover speed abit less time. Other can think that this is only few pockets diference but few pockets more corect in prediction can give aditional 5-8% in mine edge and do positive game where others will play on zero or even lost.

#59

That’s exactly what is happening ;D.


#60
If you need switch just ask :P, I'll think what can I do for you 8)


That's not the point.

I know how it feels go to casino win few $k then have to do something for few $.

But you kind of obligate yourself to make switches for members.
There was someone else trying to make it but not sure if he managed to do it .