Step by step into VB2


#21

NO

Watch the video!

During same spin at one diamond I applied 1.2 s time , read the number under the ball it was number 30.
Then on next rotation i did same , when the ball come to same position i again start counting 1.2 sec time and read the number.
The ball was again on number 30. It means the time of 1.2 sec was correct. It also mans that in 2 different moments during the spin I managed to predict same outcome.

If once i did read number 30 and next time number 7 pockets away i would know that 1.2 sec time is not very good so i would try 1.5 or 1.8 or 2 sec.

When defining time all you do is actually testing BV2 theory will it work and will it predict same number when you apply reference time, for example 12 ball rotations before drop or 9 rotations before drop. If when applying reference time at 12th rotation the number is 30 and applying it again few rotations later you get same number it means the time is good.


#22

Forester! YOU ARE A GENIUS! How did you figure out the VB2? 8) 8) 8)

For days, I have watched you video, then I download some of the wheel play from youtube, and used the Avidemux to test out the wheel play. YES! What you say is right! No matter when is the spin, starting from ball crossing the DD, so long I got the timing right (1.2s/1.5s/2.0s), the pocket number (reference number)under the ball always the same!!! :o :o :o When the ball loses it speed (or decelerate), the reference number then differs. That’s why VB2 can always predict early during the spin!!! But not in later spin!

I also realized that the ball not always will hit the reference number first, even though I got the reference number from VB2 method. Some even have ball hitting at the first pocket far away from the reference number, at half of the rotor distance. I suspect the rotor speed is too fast, am I correct?

Then the bouncing also is chaotic, there are some plays where the ball simply roll horizontally across the rotor. How am I going to calculate the prediction number from my VB2 reference number :frowning: :frowning: :frowning:


#23

Yes the VB2 is very unique. To clock the ball all you do is apply the time and read number when the time elapses.

Sure you need to learn how to make adjustments for rotor speed change and common ball jump.


#24

Actually, your video has explained much of my previous questions, after watching your video for many times.

Then, here is some new questions:

  1. Regarding the rotor spin, assumed the rotor pocket number 0 is at 12 o’clock. After 2s, where is the place the rotor number 0 goes, is too fast for VB2 prediction? Can I assumed is at nine o’clock?

  2. Regarding the “Adjusting Offset”, since in the video the ball you are spinning is in CW direction, and you are adjusting the offset (starting point) in CW direction too. Can I assumed that when the ball is ACW direction, adjusting the offset will always be in ACW direction?


#25

That is fast but I still play it. If scatter is decent at that speed which it might very well be. Most think at fast wheel speeds scatter is bad but that isn’t always the case.


#26

Are you sure, that’s almost 2.5s rotor and that may cause big inaccuracy.


#27

Are you sure, that’s almost 2.5s rotor and that may cause big inaccuracy.[/quote]

Yes that is very fast. You could still just try it. I use a fixed offset time and you might get 180 degrees from your predicted number but if that is the norm then you just add 180 degrees. (Just an example)

Bigger problems might be seeing the numbers clearly enough at that speed and making visual mistakes. I would still try it especially if you have a nice dd.


#28

Ok, but it sounds too “advanced” for me, I guess I will stay with the 4s rotor speed for the time being.

By the way, what is the precede you take when playing the game? Clock the rotor 2s first? Or clock the ball 1.5s under the DD first?


#29

Clock the rotor first. Then the offset time. I do it twice if there is enough time before nmb which there usually is. Actually it isn’t even necessary to time the rotor.

Just do your offset time twice. If you get the same number your offset time was right and you should get a good prediction. The last rapid roulette I played was very little time before nmb. Not enough time to time the rotor first. So there I just estimated that the wheel speed was constant and made my predictions.

Anyway if you do not get the same number under the ball doing it twice, then look if the second number is before or after the first prediction. Then you know if your time is short or too long.

Cheers
Toxic


#30

Me too, the ball spinning the first few round is too fast for the eyes.

I have a small problem understanding about the rotor and the adjusting offset. Let say the DD is at 12 o’clock, and the rotor #0 too is at 12 o’clock, and rotor moving ACW direction, after 2s:

-The #0 is at 6 o’clock, this mean no adjustment is needed.

-The #0 is at 7:30 o’clock(as shown),


it short about 5 pockets from 6 o’clock. The wheel play is about 10s, so 10s divided by 2s is 5. Then 5 x 5 pockets =25 pockets.
So from the DD, I moved 25 pocket ACW, which will now be my new DD point.

-The #0 is at 5:30 o’clock(as shown),


it is about 5 pockets more from 6 o’clock. The wheel play is about 10s, so 10s divided by 2s is 5. Then 5 x 5 pockets =25 pockets.
So from the DD, I moved 25 pocket CW, which will now be my new DD point.

-The #0 is at 12 o’clock again! (2s rotor!)
it is about 18 pockets more from 6 o’clock. The wheel play is about 10s, so 10s divided by 2s is 5. Then 18 x 5 pockets = 90 pockets.
So from the DD, I moved 90 pocket (CW/ACW does not matter), which should be at 6 o’clock again, and it will be my new DD.

Am I correct?


#31

Forget about rotor timing. Just do a 1,5 sec offset time for your prediction. Now let’s say you get 0 (ball cw). Now do it again. If you get 0 again then your offset vs wheel speed is correct and that is your predicted area . If however you get 12 the second prediction it is marching back and you can predict it will keep marching back. You might very well have a prediction 180 degrees away but it depends on how many ball revs are left on whatever wheel you play. Or you could just adjust your offset and try again. The more you play it the clearer it becomes. It also sounds like you are trying to predict too early in the spin.Predict in the region of 1 sec ball rotation.


#32

[quote=“Toxic, post:31, topic:955”]Forget about rotor timing. Just do a 1,5 sec offset time for your prediction. Now let’s say you get 0 (ball cw). Now do it again. If you get 0 again then your offset vs wheel speed is correct and that is your predicted area . If however you get 12 the second prediction it is marching back and you can predict it will keep marching back. You might very well have a prediction 180 degrees away but it depends on how many ball revs are left on whatever wheel you play. Or you could just adjust your offset and try again. The more you play it the clearer it becomes. It also sounds like you are trying to predict too early in the spin.Predict in the region of 1 sec ball rotation.[/quote] Thank you, toxic, l was frying my brain about it for some time already…


#33

With that, I am planning to Macau! ;D ;D ;D

Thx toxic!


#34
t short about 5 pockets from 6 o'clock. The wheel play is about 10s, so 10s divided by 2s is 5. Then 5 x 5 pockets =25 pockets. So from the DD, I moved 25 pocket ACW, which will now be my new DD point.

Yes that’s how you shifting based on rotor speed.
I noticed you use 1/2 rotor movement as a reference. It is ok if rotor most of the time in 2 sec makes 1/2 rotation.
But when you starting you can use any position.
For example zero is at 12 dd, after 2 sec it comes to 9DD. So the rotor is very slow about 8 sec per rotation.
In such case you start observing how much more or less the rotor makes from 12dd to 9 dd, and apply same principle.

It is only adjustment for rotor speed change but it doesn’t directly point to number where you need to play. For that you change your starting point for timing the ball. Then shift for rotor change, then form that position apply reference time.


#35

Yes, but to put all this up in seconds require more training

This trip is a valuable one, very much different from the video downloaded from youtube. With 35 rounds played, I nailed 3, using only the 1.5s prediction, with no rotor shift. That was really good, but I didn’t put up any money as I want to see the prediction itself. I think definitely there are rooms for improvement. I think adding the rotor shift will increases the chance even more.

I also realized that the DD actually shifted even the same table. A few big sized men at the end of the table, pressing at the table while watching eagerly for the ball to drop, the DD really rested at the direction of these men. Then when they left, the DD is no longer there! :o :o :o

I also realized that the ball is spinning so fast that my eyes simply cannot catch up with it the first 5-6 rounds. I wonder anyone can do that?

This trip has made me see there are quite a number of short coming that I have to overcomes, eyes catching up with the ball(thinking of building a circular track to train up my eyes), getting familiar with the numbers on the mat, rotor shift, and the actual prediction.

Finally, a point to note: I begin to see more and more casino using electronic roulette replacing the actual roulette :’( :’( :’( , which I really hate to see, I think the casinos are aware that they are not earning with the game.


#36

I think casinos are still making plenty :slight_smile: Electronic autowheels are just easier as they are almost maintenance free, no staff and runs for 24 hours a day every day 7/11. I have beaten that new Nomomatic with vb2 but definately a battle an small edge. With Acrobat though… :slight_smile:


#37

Ah, I never thought of Acrobat on that :o

But what I saw in there was, the ball only spins after nmb is issued, how are you going to predict on that?

Maybe the electronic wheel in Europe is not like ours


#38

The Nonomatic wheels here have more time after the spin than I have ever seen before. I will time it next time round. Procedure is wheel spins up and rotates for 3-4 revs before the ball is ejected. The ball isn’ as fast as a live delar but the smooth track allows for plenty of revs. I used acrobat on it and placed my bets and still had 5 seconds before nmb. It has the racetrack board too. Usually I would have to hurry even with vb2. In this case, ailI take my time including full wheel rev and calc and betting and then have to wait for nmb … :slight_smile:


#39

I guess I will stay with the live wheel for a while, this is where all the fun is about. I guess with dedication and training, I will beat the roulette. Until then, I will start using those computer devices.

By the way, toxic. How often you go to casino? (Once a week perhaps)

In average of 10 games, how many games you get the number nailed?

What is your major mistake in VB2 that take you sometime to correct it?

I am eager to know more from the expert like you guys ;D ;D ;D


#40

[quote=“majest08, post:39, topic:955”]I guess I will stay with the live wheel for a while, this is where all the fun is about. I guess with dedication and training, I will beat the roulette. Until then, I will start using those computer devices.

By the way, toxic. How often you go to casino? (Once a week perhaps)

In average of 10 games, how many games you get the number nailed?

What is your major mistake in VB2 that take you sometime to correct it?

I am eager to know more from the expert like you guys ;D ;D ;D[/quote]

:smiley: I actually go too much! Sometimes 3 times a week, mostly twice a week.

It is hard to say how many times I hit on the number but it is quite a lot. I play a Huxley MK4 (I think) at the one casino with a 2pin dominant drop. On Sunday I played but the dealers know me too well and if the table is quiet they target me. It has become a bit of a dual between me and the dealers. I rather go a bit later these days when the tables are busy and the high rollers are there then I just stand in the background and step forward and throw my money on the table and call two call bets. I always make sure that the call bets overlap by at least two numbers. Often I hit on the overlaps which is off course great. Make no mistake though. Certain days it does not go so well. Thing is not to chase it then. Just leave and come back another day.

On those days even if you predict right it always seem to just miss by a pocket or two :slight_smile:

My main major mistake with vb2 is most probably greed. I get a couple of good hits and then I raise my bets which is not always a good idea cause two losses and all your profit made is gone. In other words my worst mistake (goes for any advantage technique) is I do not follow the Kelly betting criteria. I take 400 bucks and start betting. If I come off though sometimes I really rock. Another mistake is my own stubbornness. I hate it when the dealer attacks me with counter measures and looks me straight in the eye. In the beginning I use to take on the challenge everytime. Now I have learned not to take them on face to face. I walk away (but do not leave) and keep an eye on the wheel to see if it is back to normal and also that the dealer does not spin a short spin (cause then it most probably has lost linearity) If the spin is right I walk up to the table and call. :slight_smile:

In the past I have predicted on the short spins as well (with some positive results) but then I basically still do vb2 but use my prediction number as a reference number. My advice is to find a good wheel to play and spend as much time on it as possible. Even if you do not actually play, just spend time there. I had mixed results in the beginning but the more you play you start recognizing different scenarios.

BTW I do not see myself as an expert. If I was I’d win everytime! I do win more than what I loose though.