# Step by step into VB2

Hi everyone, I guess I am afraid of asking question which may made me looked silly and dumb, is holding me back. In fact there are many fundemental thing I don’t even know. But after I have read this thread:

http://rouletteplace.com/index.php?topic=1189.0

I guess I should start clearing my doubt now.

I am reading the VB2 (PDF file) and looking in the forumla. But I couldn’t figure out the targeted ball speed is 1000? (is it from devices?)

It is not inportant to work out the offset time using the formula. Yo can use a fixed offset time. Use for instance 1.5 sec. Do two continuous revs and if you get the same number under the ball you are right. If the result is different, lets say 5 pockets shorter than the first rev, then the offset time is too short and vica versa. Just adjust. I find vb2 very forgiving

to understand principles how the advantage is created.

Calculation is just a prove why VB2 works.
Some FF’s could tell the player difference in between ball rotations when the ball is 1000ms/r, it could be used to easy define VB2 time. But the best way is as Toxic just explained.

Since VB2 claims to be able to predict within few ball rotations if the reference time used is correct simply predicting at 12 and at 10 seconds before the end of spin ( or any other reasonably close time) should give you the same result . Tying it few times with different reference time would make you know which time is the best to use.

Ah yes, it’s important to check if the number is still the same. But I thought the average offset time should be 1.2 sec as forester suggest.

to understand principles how the advantage is created.[/quote]

I have read them, but it takes time to digest them.

Hi all,

I am eager to test out the VB2 skills (the one DD prediction) learned here, though I have not fully mastered VB2.

Here is my battle plan, find one wheel that is heavily tilted, with only one dominant diamond(DD). Then at the 6th ball spin, look at the number under the DD. Wait until the ball drops and see how many pockets the ball bounces before it end up in the pocket. Repeat the process.

But the question comes:

1. Finding the wheel with only one is challenging. Is timing 50 times (CW and ACW direction) each wheel sufficient to determine the wheel with only one DD?

2. Since I am bring only myself(no device) there, can I double check if the prediction number after the 6th ball spin?

3. Since most casino has only shallow pockets wheel, when the ball fell it will bounce around which will affect the result. IS taking the average of pockets bounced helps?

4. I guess deep pocket is better than shallow pocket, am I right?

5. Beside that, any other advice for me?

I believe you confused everything.
1 fined the tilted wheel
2 look how much ball jumps, not from your prediction but from position where it hits the rotor.
http://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,706.0.html

What you describing (6th ball spin, look at the number under …) is traditional VB.
It is not same if rotor has a different speed so before that you need to clock rotor and make appropriate adjustment.

VB2 is an extension to traditional VB.
You may target to read reference number at 6th ball rotation but what if you read it at 7th or 5th. Your results would be wrong and that is where the VB2 helps.
In this section there is few posts explaining how to time the rotor.
After reading reference number let’s say in 6th ball rotation and the number is 0, you need to make adjustment from that number based if rotor is slower or faster. Let’s say it is a bit faster so your new number is 34. Now you follow number 34 and observe where on rotor the ball will drop.

Let’s say it drops 5 pockets earlier.
Then in next spin your position where you get the reference number should be 5 pockets earlier as well. If everything is right then number you read at that position + rotor adjustment will give you the number where the ball will drop.
From an average ball jump you can find how the most often ball jumps. If it is 12 pockets then to your number you add 12 pockets and play there.

Or from the start you can move starting point 12 pockets later. So after rotor adjustment instead of number where the ball drops you will read the number where the ball most likely will stop.

1. Finding the wheel with only one is challenging. Is timing 50 times (CW and ACW direction) each wheel sufficient to determine the wheel with only one DD?
1 or 2 diamonds is fine.

2. Since I am bring only myself(no device) there, can I double check if the prediction number after the 6th ball spin?
No you don’t predict 2 times when you play it is only before play to determinate reference time for VB2.
VB2 has nothing to do with 6the ball rotation. With VB2 you can predict in any baLl rotation.

3. Since most casino has only shallow pockets wheel, when the ball fell it will bounce around which will affect the result. IS taking the average of pockets bounced helps?

It is a must.

1. I guess deep pocket is better than shallow pocket, am I right?
You progressing ;D.

2. Beside that, any other advice for me?
Yes, you are as Toxic 5 years ago so take your time.

… yip exactly. I can also tell you that it took me alot of play before I consistantly started winning. Simple things like knowing wheel an carpet layout by heart is very important. Helps getting your chips down quickly and correctly. When I started I played one wheel which had a righthand carpet layout… months later I played a lefthand table and made silly mistakes on the layout itself which cost me hits.

O Forester, I must be have mistaken the traditional VB and VB2. I guess I will have to re-read VB2 again :o

So the speed of the rotor is making a big difference! We definitely want to play with 4-6s per rotation rotor! Predicting the rotor speed can be a challenge, since I am not bring anything (even stopwatch).

Toxic, you are my inspiration(I am 5 years younger than you in roulette playing ;)), I agreed that it may take quite sometime before seeing some wins. Memorising the carpet layout surely a great help in placing the bets quickly.

By the way, what do you foresee those silly things I will be making? Or anything that might be a great help for the game? (Remember the YOU in 5 years before now) I am eager for a win! 8) 8) 8)

Hi, Magest08, befor to play, develop exact counting. Take the stop watch or methronom and practice at home first, it helps. Try to use count 123, 123, 123… or cliks with your teeth. Find your own way to misure exact time intervals… first apply something between 1, 5-2 sec . Do it twice t confirm vb2 time. You can try to do 2 rotor rotations instead one, if you have enough time before nmb. Dont forget to be shure that the wheel is titled. That should be enoth for a beginning. … Don’t be greedy! Kill the wheel slowly. Lol. Hope it helps.

Oh yes, you reminded me something :o :o :o ! The VB2 time is not always 1.2s!!! We always need to find the VB2 time throug the rotor time and the ACC and the ball speed. Using FFA we can find ACC, but what if I don’t have the device currently?

Thank you sergiy, timing is everything.

Oh, I must have forget about it :o

I guess I have been reading a lot and have the information running all over my head.

Ok, I shall put everything simple.

When I go to casino, first I will find a wheel that has one DD,
Then when the dealer spin the rotor and ball:

1. determind if the rotor is spinning 4sec/spin.
2. At the same time, during the 6th spin of the ball, look at the pocket number under DD.
3. wait until the ball fall and see if it fall onto the predicted pocket number.
Also, see how many bounces it made before it finally rest on the final destination. Keep track of the upcoming plays and the number of bounces and take the average of it.

Finally place the bet and win.

Wait! After seeing this topic post by toxic in 2010:

http://rouletteplace.com/index.php?topic=926.0

I realised that I may have learn my mistakes a bit.

So let me put it this way, when I go to casino, these are the steps:

1. Find a tilted wheel with one DD, heavily tilted wheel with only one DD is a blessing

2. When the ball is at it’s 5, 6, 7, 8, 9th Spins, look at the pocket number under the DD. That is the reference number!
For most ideal situation, the VB2 time should be 1.2s. So in between these 5th-9th spins, they should be 1.2s apart.
By the way, this morning I have found a way to “clocked” 1.2s without using timer. Just mumble “machine gun” 2 times and I got an average of 1.24s. So by theory, from the 5th or the 6th spins onwards, I looked at the pocket number under the DD and I just keep mumbling “machine gun”, that reference number should alwaysbe under (or near)the DD every 2 “machine gun”. This should be able to keep track both the rotor speed and the reference.

3)Then notice the dropping point of the ball and see how many pockets it is from the reference point. Also take note the number of bounces it made from the dropping point to the resting point(deep pocket is a big blessing :P).

1. Repeat the process and take note on the following
(I) the number of pockets from the reference pocket to the dropping point
(II) the number of bounces made from the dropping pocket to the resting pocket

2. After collecting enough data (I guess 50 rounds should be enough), play and win!

Any advice on this? I am going to Macua to day!

You should watch video.

When the ball is at it's 5, 6, 7, 8, 9th Spins, look at the pocket number under the DD. That is the reference number!

You can not watch the reference number like that, because in 5th ball rotation it will be different then in 6th or 7th …
You can try to watch for the reference number only in same ball rotation. that would be traditional VB.

With VB2 you apply reference time lets say in 8,9 or \10th ball rotation form the end of spin.
You start the time for example at 12 o’clock in 10 rotation then wait 1.2 sec and at that moment look which number is under the ball. That would be your reference number.
If instead of in 10th ball rotation you started in 8th with reference time you reference time should be the same.
That is the difference in between traditional VB and VB2. If with traditional VB you miss particular ball rotation you have a wrong prediction, if with VB2 you miss you’ll still have a good prediction.

Here you have explained process of VB2 including rotor adjustment.
you can see how it looks in slow motion. I move the video for 1.2 sec then read the reference number.

Used reference time here is 1.2 sec. it is older wheel and slower rotor.
On casino wheels the reference time would be more like 1.5 -2 sec .

I don’t believe it is good time for your casino trip as you PM me, you still don’t understand principle of how to apply it that would be good enough for practicing. About playing for money is a different storory.

Thanks Forester, I guess I am better had my money stay in the pocket. However, I am going with friends, “there is no turning back” ;D ;D ;D, so I guess I will be watching them play but I can still try to find the table with one DD, next time “I will be back” 8) 8) 8)

Hi, I am back from Macau, I got many interesting finding in the casino. There are spins where the ball fall on the rim(the “track” between the wheel and rotor) of the rotor, simply refused to get into the pocket, I wonder will this action affect the result, since I saw it a couple of time in a particular wheel.

OK, after reading and re-reading the VB2. I think I am stuck in this:

There are 3 things(yellow, green, blue boxed) we need to find before we get the “t”(red boxed)

[Blue box] rotor:
After reading toxic and forester in other post, I realised that rotor speed is very important in play, anything less than 4 sec is not good for play. But what about very slow rotor speed? Is 6-8 sec rotor speed a blessing?

[Green box] ACC:
In order to get this, FFA is one of the device. But what if I don’t have FFA? I guess it is almost impossible to get this with our naked eyes.

[Yellow box] ball speed:
http://rouletteplace.com/index.php?topic=926.0

All you do is wait when the ball is about 5,6,7,8,9 rotations to go apply your time and read number under the ball.
I have question on this, I thought with VB2, we can apply it even on the 1st rotation?

[Red box] offset time/VB2 time (t)
I always wonder how do you arrived 1.2s?
Of course, I can always double check on this!

You already asked same and said that you do not have FFA.

But here it is once more,

[i]Calculation is just a prove why VB2 works.
Some FF’s could tell the player difference in between ball rotations when the ball is 1000ms/r, it could be used to easy define VB2 time. But the best way is as Toxic just explained.

Since VB2 claims to be able to predict within few ball rotations if the reference time used is correct simply predicting at 12 and at 10 seconds before the end of spin ( or any other reasonably close time) should give you the same result . Tying it few times with different reference time would make you know which time is the best to use.[/i]

Not sure which part here you don’t understand.
But I’ll try to explain on the other way.

We do not calculate reference time! We do not calculate reference time! We do not calculate reference time! It is only mathematical prove or for people who used some FFA features .

If for play we do not calculate reference time how do we know what to use?

At start we don’t know so we try different times. We try 1.5 sec.
Let’s say we apply it at 15 rotations before end of spin and we read number 0 as predicted number
Then instantly we apply it again (maybe 11th rotation) and read predicted number. If we read number 0 again we know our reference time is good. We can do same test few times to make sure. If 2 results are not same or close as 0 and 0, we change time to 1.8 sec or 2 sec or 2.2 sec and try the same test again.

Yes you can apply VB2 very early in spin as you asked form the very first ball rotation. But don’t apply it once 20 rotations before then the ball drops next time 5. If you always targeting around same time you get better results.

Forester, I guess I am too obsess with the equation / formula.

So instead of calculating the reference time, we “guess” the time and we look at the pocket number under DD and we confirm it. If everything went well, the ball should hit onto the pocket number.

I have download some roulette wheel play video from youtube, and used the “Avidemux” as you recommended, and start using it to try out the VB2. I immediately found out that the rotor speed is very important.

Is it true that anything under 4sec rotor we should not play?