Roulette can be Beaten

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The bet is still the same value but the odds have altered in my favour Betting one column the odds are 2:1 against you, betting two columns the odds are 2:1 in your favour

Simply, if you put a bet on one column there are 12 numbers in your favour and 25 against you (including zero)
If you bet two columns then there are 24 numbers in your favour and 13 against you

This is a very simplistic outline of my system, but I assure you it works

100 spins of the wheel would return 400 units

Using your logic, then why not bet every number?

In reality, you’re betting two column and have a chance of winning of 24/37 (12/38 on a 00 wheel) for a payoff that’s only 35 to 1
In other words, the house edge is still there.

Also, why are you betting the zero as well?

-Snowman

Snowman
The reason i play zero is because it covers my bet especially if the bets a little on the large side, if I hit zero then I can repeat
This is the game I am currently playing…see if the maths add up

spin D C 1st D 2nd D 3rd D 1st C 2nd C 3rd C zero bet return balance
30 3d 3c 2 1 4 6 14 1 1 29 15 1222
25 3d 1c 3 2 1 9 21 1 2 39 30 1213
30 3d 3c 4 3 1 1 32 2 2 45 9 1177
29 3d 2c 6 4 1 2 48 1 2 64 147 1260
23 2d 2c 9 6 1 3 1 2 1 23 21 1258
2 1d 2c 14 1 2 4 1 3 1 26 45 1277
13 2d 1c 1 2 3 6 1 4 1 18 24 1283
25 3d 1c 2 1 4 1 2 6 1 17 15 1281
11 1d 2c 3 2 1 1 3 9 1 20 18 1279
35 3d 2c 1 3 2 2 1 14 1 24 9 1264
30 3d 3c 2 4 1 3 1 21 1 33 66 1297
8 1d 2c 3 6 1 4 2 1 1 18 15 1294
9 1d 3c 1 9 2 6 1 2 1 22 9 1281
5 1d 2c 1 14 3 9 2 1 1 31 9 1269
24 2d 3c 1 21 4 14 1 2 2 45 69 1283
32 3d 2c 2 1 6 21 2 1 1 34 24 1273
1 1d 1c 3 2 1 32 1 2 2 43 105 1335
1 3 2 1 2 3 1 13

Dragen’s quote for today

Anybody can win money, very few can avoid losing it

And yes, as you will no doubt point out, one of those lines will eventually hit the table limit
the really clever part of this system is knowing how to avoid that ever happening

Apparantly I no longer have the option to remove my topic, which is strange

Anyway you now have all the numbers to open the safe, unfortinately you still don’t have the combination
This is only a part of my system, the question now is

If I can avoid hitting the table limit, which I can, will the system work ???

Correct me if I am wrong, but it just looks like an up as you lose progression, but you are betting everything. The higher your bet size becomes, the more you stand to win. So, in order to win, you want to lose for a bit to get your bets high enough to turn a profit. But you have to win before you hit the table max. You do realize that dozens/columns have been known to sleep for 20+ spins right?

The problem with these types of systems is that they work okay up until the point where they don’t. Sure the times that you are going to hit a bad streak and hit the max, and still lose, won’t happen all that often. But it will happen as often enough to destroy your bankroll. Just because something is unlikely, doesn’t mean it cant happen. Especially with roulette. I don’t quite see how your system overcomes the house edge and could be profitable over the long term. I have been known to be a little slow on the uptake though.

[quote=“Dragen, post:42, topic:920”]Snowman
The reason i play zero is because it covers my bet especially if the bets a little on the large side, if I hit zero then I can repeat
This is the game I am currently playing…see if the maths add up

spin D C 1st D 2nd D 3rd D 1st C 2nd C 3rd C zero bet return balance
30 3d 3c 2 1 4 6 14 1 1 29 15 1222
25 3d 1c 3 2 1 9 21 1 2 39 30 1213
30 3d 3c 4 3 1 1 32 2 2 45 9 1177
29 3d 2c 6 4 1 2 48 1 2 64 147 1260
23 2d 2c 9 6 1 3 1 2 1 23 21 1258
2 1d 2c 14 1 2 4 1 3 1 26 45 1277
13 2d 1c 1 2 3 6 1 4 1 18 24 1283
25 3d 1c 2 1 4 1 2 6 1 17 15 1281
11 1d 2c 3 2 1 1 3 9 1 20 18 1279
35 3d 2c 1 3 2 2 1 14 1 24 9 1264
30 3d 3c 2 4 1 3 1 21 1 33 66 1297
8 1d 2c 3 6 1 4 2 1 1 18 15 1294
9 1d 3c 1 9 2 6 1 2 1 22 9 1281
5 1d 2c 1 14 3 9 2 1 1 31 9 1269
24 2d 3c 1 21 4 14 1 2 2 45 69 1283
32 3d 2c 2 1 6 21 2 1 1 34 24 1273
1 1d 1c 3 2 1 32 1 2 2 43 105 1335
1 3 2 1 2 3 1 13[/quote]

Just looks like a fancy progression, spreading the risk around so you don’t hit table limit.

Thing about progressions man, the’re wonderful when they work but costly as all hell when they don’t. I had a progression on PKR going to nearly 2 months while i played poker which covered all my tourney entries, until you get 13 reds in a row then you’re kinda fucked lol.

EDIT: Also, you ever considered using a no-zero roulette wheel? will give back that extra few %

DJ

I have seen Dozens and columns lose more than 20 in a row but that is where the system comes into it’s own
I have worked out how to avoid hitting the table limit no matter how many times a row fails to hit

wheter the win is big or small the average is still 4 per spin, I can adjust that though with the progression

As someone said, it is just a fancy progression system but one that does not hit the table limit

I now think this topic is just about exhausted

Thank you DJ
Had not considered the no zero option
That would give an increase of 20%

Thanks to all who have contriruted to this topic

Dragen

Aryan suggested the no zero option, not me. I would never suggest that someone play in an online casino.

As for your system, I am still dubious. I really want to just say “Pics, or it didn’t happen.”

DJ

How do you mean ‘pics or it didn’t happen’

I do not believe it either. Sounds fantastic but then so do all system sellers. You are selling Right? If not, why post.

No I am not selling my system

I just wanted to show that it is possible to beat a ball and wheel roulette table
This is a forum and we have had a good debate on the merits of my system
Some believe it will work some believe it won’t, everyone is entitled to their opinion

I have displayed most of my system, I have laid out the progression for everyone to see, which shows it works
The maths add up
It is up to individuals as to whether they believe it or not

Dragen,

Your raising and lowering of the bets, and the hedging that you are doing by betting the zero, still hasn’t changed the long term expectation.
In fact, betting the zero is adding to your long term loss by increasing the amount of money that you are exposing to the house edge.

-Snowman

The math behind WHY a progression is returning the same negative profit as the house edge is long and hairy but can be read here:

http://www.averagejoeblackjack.com/progressionsdontwork.html

If you run your system on enough spns you will get -2,7% in profit of your wagers. All tests on real spins confirms that

“Pics or it didn’t happen.” Translation: Prove it!

I don’t need a picture of your account balance, but describing why you are able to beat the house edge is a start. There needs to be a reason why it works. And that reason should be measurable.

Had to laugh I like that :o

Anyone who cannot work out how to beat the coin flip should give up gamblimg

Why exactly are you playing roulette and not baccarat then?

exactly, go play baccarat, bet every time on tie, and after 8 times you use progression.
Good luck with that.