Online poker bot for limit/no limit heads-up


#41

For the FFZ-T, you’ll need CR1216 or CR1220 battery 3V
It means the battery is 1.6 to 2 mm in height and 12mm
I bought 2 in news agencies $7
But on eBay for same price you get 25 batteries and free postage.

You 2 did a lot of writing :o

"“If I play against someone and in mirror behind him I see his hair goes up each time if he has bad cards and if I use it against him would it be cheating? Should I tell him… I can read you as a book?”

Depends on your outlook surely? If you goal is to see who is best then yes, either tell them or not use it for advantage."
Best on what? Poker is reading the partner and letting him to read you wrongly.

I am still undecided, I look from point of msn games.
When i play i can let the robot play for me, in usual it is worst then an average player would play.
If I go to make a coffee the robot plays, for past 10 years nobody complained about cheating when someone let the robot play. I assume it would be same with poker.

If we say bots improve and play as a pro the bot cam play or someone can play and use a bot to help.
For an average player it is same as facing the pro, and nobody told him he will not face it. But someone uninformed might think; I know I am an average, this is unreal every time i play its as facing a pro and I always lose, I hope my bad luck will stop soon. Then yes he was cheated.

If you look chess and i play with a friend for who will pay drinks, i wouldn’t be happy finding that he used a bot to play his moves to win. >:(


#42

Thats a fair point of view, it depends what it means to you, what do you class as a win
and is it that important to you? I haven’t played on msn so do not know but if everyone
has the option to use the bots and are aware of them I do not see why it would not be fair.

“Best on what? Poker is reading the partner and letting him to read you wrongly.”

But how do they make you read them wrongly if you can see something that you shouldn’t
be able in typical play or know you can and it is a “tell”?

For some tells can be impossible to hide. If you say to someone "think of a pink elephant"
then observe how many respond with a similar eye movement. I can only imagine what
a gifted poker player would pick up on especially after study of his opponants and thus will
keep my money in my pocket :wink:

Yes we wrote alot, Secman hurt his finger and I strained my eyes so maybe call it a draw :’(


#43
But how do they make you read them wrongly if you can see something that you shouldn't be able in typical play or know you can and it is a "tell"

But who decides if you should or if you shouldn’t. Reading eye movement in particular situations you can know more than people can imagine since when information is accessed from brain based on which part the eyes respond accordingly. But the other person can be trained to cheat it.
If you do a business with someone and if he misleads you in to something it is bad, and cheating. Poker game is based on cheating, but they call it a bluff ::).

Imagine very honest person playing poker. To be able to win he has to alter his character to cheat, manipulate other players. If he does it well, he will be rewarded. For someone who cheats all the time it might be a natural state therefore he would need far less effort.


#44

Poker is a people game. You are playing a number of strategies and adjusting them to each opponent. Certain things work on certain opponents that don’t on others. Human error is a HUGE part of the game. A player that uses a bot is to player poker is in my book a cheater because they are giving themselves an advantage over their human counterparts who will in time make mistakes or bluffs at the wrong time. People don’t go online to play poker against computers.

To lump poker players into the same category as bot players simply because they operate using methods of deception while sitting at a poker table is mixing apples with oranges.


#45

When people play against each other they use anything to win. They can read other players or make other players believe they have different cards.
If you play online and if your friend tells you do this and you do it, then that’s cheating since it is 2 of you making decision against one. If your wife shouts dinner is ready and makes pressure on you, your way of play might change and confuse other players. So that would be cheating as well but would you feel bad about it and consider yourself a s a cheater.

If you play every day against same people and one day someone else logs in and plays instead, you are already familiar with play of that person perhaps made a strategy how to handle him, but this time its a different person and you are not aware of it, that might be considered as cheating. But people have right to do it who says only one person can play with particular account.

When playing online everything is expected and is not same as live play. You may spent one year analyzing someone logged in as JohnBB and if one day someone else plays under that name and you lose, I do not believe you can complain that someone cheat on you. But if in real game if they dress someone to look same as player you know and to play with you believing it is a same person it is cheating.


#46

“But who decides if you should or if you shouldn’t. Reading eye movement in particular situations you can know more than people can imagine since when information is accessed from brain based on which part the eyes respond accordingly. But the other person can be trained to cheat it.
If you do a business with someone and if he misleads you in to something it is bad, and cheating. Poker game is based on cheating, but they call it a bluff”

That is possibly the hardest thing in poker. Spotting what maybe a tell is one thing, knowing how to interperate
that information correctly is another, it is a skill not something that can be called cheating if one is better at it than
the other, more an area where the weaker player can and probably has to improve for success. Again it fits within
the parameters to call poker a game, each player has the same oppertunities if they are within the rules and wish to
take them.

A bluff cant be cheating if all players can play it freely and all know this is an option, in business it involes one party
not being privvy to all the facts so would be cheating, or a bad businessman and as such in the wrong trade.

As, Davey points out a good player will use many different stratagies, I doubt analysing a good players previous
plays will give a good enough read to use in future games though it would probably work with lesser players who
tend to follow the rules or odds giving their play a more predictable pattern.

Though involving luck poker is a very skilled game at the top level.


#47

A mans game for sure.

Where man can use adictional software to gain an edge on his opponents… like poker edge

Imagine wailking into a live tourney, sit down ,say hi , and then, bring out your laptop at the side of the table , and say, just give me a minute lads , Im just looking up your stats HAHAHAaaaaa

to say the least ,youd be laughed off the table
its simply a moral thing like devilish pointed out ,what some class as cheating some deem to be not only fair but a must for online poker

anyone serious at online poker will and must have addictional software

hers a link to someone at the shanky bot forum just staring out ,might be an interest to some

http://bonusbots.com/support/index.php?topic=3760.0

Secman


#48

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#49

Personally i am not a big fan of poker bots, i think it is pretty dangerous now as poker playing platforms becoming more aware of this. You can get your account banned and won’t be able to make a cashout also.


#50

Hi,

I am testing Holdem Bot of Shanky.

I have the next Profiles:

Doodle (default)
Bellic
Chevy
EndGame
Agripin.

I will post the result.

Regards.


#51

The thread seems really interesting.


#52

I have also player lots of poker games and want to deal with this pokers with no limit and low bet. I want to make a win with these aggressive poker bot on any condition.


#53

I have used my iphone to look at shove/fold charts while playing poker tournies. There’s actually no rule against it. :slight_smile:


#54

I enjoyed a fair amount of success, playing several small entry (my favorite was 180 player 11 dollar tournies) online.Basically, once your stack gets to be small relative to the size of your blinds, and with position factored in, I used a “system” where I always played the same group of hands based on that number. There was little time for me to actually think about strategy, so I was basically a human bot playing by a set algorithm. When playing heads up, there is a game theory chart called Nash equilibrium which gives a guaranteed break even strategy (push or fold only no bet sizing). It is not necessarilly an optimal strategy if your opponent is not playing optimally, but it guarantees you of at least breaking even.

The short answer: It’s not hard to program a bot that can hold its own against anyone in the world heads up, providing the stack sizes aren’t too big. This doesn’t mean that a bot can win the World Series, where the stacks are deep, just that it can beat a lot of lower limit online tournaments and cash games.


#55

It is easier at Poker to find an easy target than it is for the Roulette game (nowadays wheels).


#56

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