Online poker bot for limit/no limit heads-up

devilish · 12 July 2011 09:32

Hi, Securityman. Its an interesting post but I like sports and competition and its simply cheating.
No matter what way you would like to describe it the truth is in the terms you agree to abide by
state not that of interest, that people will not cheat using a bot and that the game will be played
on a level playing field seperated by skill, knowledge and possible luck.

My skill set is in the keeping fit and nutrition not roulette, I love sports from athletics, cycling, boxing
and more relevent here chess. I play chess online and even though in most cases money does
not cross hands I still encounter those who cheat, how do they cheat? They use a means by
which they gain an edge or can compete at a level they are not capable by using a comp which
is no different to using a poker bot. I play for fun and have no interest in cheating because its
simply not a challenge to cheat. I can use a chess comp or poker bot to practice and gain a better
understanding but to use such methods on unsuspecting players is not something that can be
deemed as not cheating if we assume the other player is not privvy to the same advantage or matter
of fact if you feel compelled to keep it a secret. This is true of any competition unless the rules
encourage looking for advantage over competition like we see in the development of an F1 car for example.

There are ways to counter this like to allow a poker room where bots or any methods of play can
be played as you can find in chess but of course its not about improving ones game but making
money or winning the pot. The loose psycholgy used in the post does little to detract me from its
purpose of drumming up sales, neither does it question my purpose or belief that I would be looking
for advantage the same way a 100 meter sprinter would by taking steriods or growth or a cyclist
using EPO.

Its about making money, I would keep it that way because trying to justify it in some manner
will do little to benefit on the course at hand, going on a tangent is not the best way to reach a goal.

forester · 12 July 2011 13:17

If you ever played cards a bit more complicated game you remember all cards.
That’s the point of playing.
If you do it in casino it is cheating.

When someone sits to play poker he accepts luck, skill, and possible better players then him.
I assume when someone plays poker online he is aware of robots, or perhaps someone who may Google to calculate odds. If his friend standing next to him and making suggestion than it may be cheating.

Chess is different, you play for your own challenge, Poker you play for profit.
I often play Spades online it’s similar game to Bridge. Never cross my mind to cheat, but I’ve seen people behave as kids.

devilish · 12 July 2011 14:46

No you can play chess for money also online. Competition is competition regardless
whether its a game of cards, marathon or anything that is a game or sport and the
common thing they have is all are open to cheating due to varying abilities.

Yes you can learn odds but watching poker shows the best odds often doesn’t win under
the influence of the river card, Playing the psychology is very important which is a top shark
from a fish liability, it is also exactly the same in chess which is why many top level chess
players do well at professional poker. Likewise I may be able to improve your marathon
with nutrition and training but there is also other non legal substances which can do a
better job. Regardless of how different they appear they all require certain criteria to be
a competition or game.

Playing with an advantage is not a competition as you know just aswell as anybody, even
in roulette your knowledge beats the game, your challenge is the casino staff not so much
the wheel if you are happy to play. Playing with a bot online is someone trying to find an
unfair advantage not play a game or compete, instead its about money which in itself is the
goal! Winning is a by product of gain where as to play a game or compete is to win where
any bonuses of money/fame ect are now the by product of success!!

All i am saying is if the goal is to win, seeking unfair advantage is cheating, if the goal is profit
use the bot correctly to make the goal a reality but its not worth trying to make it sound as
if its fair play as the peddlers do in, Secmans post. Just because someone online maybe
using a bot doesn’t mean its not cheating for you to do likewise when the rules say its not
allowed, it just means there are more cheats around.

system · 12 July 2011 15:40

Hello,

I tested the Shanky bot and only gets mediocre results at very low levels.
In decent levels lost.

Regards

Julio
Buenos Aires, Argentina

Bago · 12 July 2011 15:51

Set the bot in aggressive mode and play limit low stakes heads up. Tell me your results.

securityman · 13 July 2011 10:15

@ bago,im quite sceptical that a bot could prove profitable long term heds up , just my opinion

but hell if youre doing well then all the best to you

btw, the bot youre using the shanky bot?

@ devilish,totally correct ,usieing a bot is acording to the rules is cheating ,I dont think anyone would really disagree with that, As the owner states in his opening paragraph

as is using VB OR RC or doind a bias attack on a wheel ,ALL the before mentioned is classed as cheating by the casinos

bot users mainly are not (imo) so much trying to get an unfair advantge against feloow players ,but more relevant is there ability to clear bonuses and RACKEBACK as they can cover up to 6 tables at once

yes ok ill admit they will take advantage of bad/week players at th micro stakes ,but (imo) most players at theses levels are just having a bit of fun or trying to learn the game ,so if theyre up against a shark or a bot they WILL learn from (if they wnat ot that is) from the sharks/bots playing actions

So if I had phil ivey at my side in an online poker game im not(ACORDING TO THE POKER ROOM RULES) cheating ,but my quistion would be (NOT JUST TO YOU) Have i got an unfair advantage over my feloow players, lmao i would say ,BLOODY RIGHT I DO

playing against a bot (IN THE SURVEY I DID) did nt seem to bother most players in the leest,infact the most i asked welcome bots and they made humourative comments as in , they can be easily profiled especialy at 6max play and inturn players can play quite profitably against them

but devilish thx for your opinion it is valued

the owner of the forum is sure to back his product up as we have seen in his post , My main aim was to find out if they where scaming ,as you know this forum also prides itself in alerting the mebers of our forum and members of the public of scam on the net when it comes to gambling, after theyre product was brought to my attention, I set about to investigate for the member and the general public (this was my only intantion at this moment in time) I only would like to point out to all that read this they seem to me to be the real deal

You will on sending the correct fee receive the shanky bot , the product is a tool , it does function, no gaurntee is given at any time the bot will make you money, it also does come with free profiles as they promise, they are as far as I can make out a registered company

MY conclusion is this, regardles if anyone conciders thischeating the pass my biil of health and SECMAN stamp of approval for NOT BEING SCAMMERS

IMO i have no problem with poker bots online , I actually see it as a form of AP (although was on the fence for a while)

thx for reading this

your mate

Secman :-*

devilish · 13 July 2011 11:34

I agree with you, Secman, neither do I have a problem with bots being used or
playing one as I feel my odds of beating it would be good overall. Maybe I
expressed myself incorrectly.

If the target is to reach a cleared bonus or something similar the goal to me
is not to win or play a game but reach your target (clear bonus) in which going
through the game is a required process and I would consider a bot to be a tool
just like the FF. Being a competitive soul my target would always be to win and
using a bot I could not in my mind say “I won” which for most people I know
would be cheating regardless of the rules.

Whilst the line for me is black and white whether I am playing a game or aiming
for a target and is the differance between cheating or achieveing my goal, the reason
I write is because your analogy on the casino and cheating using VB. Here I
disagree with it being cheating due to all games or competitions played have
to be played with a level playing field to be classed as that and roulette starts
with a 2.7% value against, yes the rules say you cannot use an FF but this is to
maintain the -2.7% not maintain integrity. Roulette is a game in principle, though
under a casinos control the maths advantage stops it being a game and instead
merely an activity for those who play. Yes using an FF is against the rules but
my goal is not to win here, its to increase my bankroll. ;D

Dont take it the wrong way on the bot issuse due to I am on your side with them
being used for certain objectives. The casino on the other hand cheat the odds,
yes I may break the rules but I am only cheating against a cheat in the first place,
not an innocent party so I argue its about parity when playing against a parasite.

Regards

securityman · 13 July 2011 12:06

[quote=“devilish, post:27, topic:681”]Whilst the line for me is black and white whether I am playing a game or aiming
for a target and is the differance between cheating or achieveing my goal, the reason
I write is because your analogy on the casino and cheating using VB. Here I
disagree with it being cheating due to all games or competitions played have
to be played with a level playing field to be classed as that and roulette starts
with a 2.7% value against, yes the rules say you cannot use an FF but this is to
maintain the -2.7% not maintain integrity. Roulette is a game in principle, though
under a casinos control the maths advantage stops it being a game and instead
merely an activity for those who play. Yes using an FF is against the rules but
my goal is not to win here, its to increase my bankroll. ;D

Regards[/quote]

OK thx for zour replz ,it did clear up a few things for me as you did seem to be contradidting youreself

but hell yes they got to have an advantagle over the general public , thats how they make money pay the bills wages on time etc
actuallty they make from roulette about 25%

just for the record ,when a player places a bet at the roulette wheel he automatically accetpts the rules of the house and the casinos built in HE of 2.7% 5.26% anything that changes these odds is classed as cheating by the casino whether you like it or not

same with botting ,it is according to the rules of acceptance considered as cheating, I actually consider VB BIAS RC etc as cheating ,but as it is NOT ILLEGAL (in my country) then well , well just lets say i can sleep at night

thx again for enlighting me and good luck at the tables

youre mate

Secman

devilish · 13 July 2011 12:42

We only accept the rules otherwise we cant particpate lol. Roulette was a game before
the zero made an appearance, due to gamblers it still made a profit with no advantage
yet casinos wanted even more. Betfair I think it is have a zero wheel and still make money
from it even today.

To play we have to agree the casino can cheat and still call it a game when it clearly is not
due to uneven playing feild. It is hard to accept being held to accept these rules as fair
so breaking the rules against an unscrupulous regime is something I will not lose sleep
over either. Not sure if the FF is illegal over here, it seems a grey area at present.

Zour reply? I am far from zour and am more then willing to listen to what you say even if we
have to agree to disagree :-*

On casino games though they have introduced a card game called “casino war” here, dont
know if you have seen it but the odds are something like 50.2% in the players favour!!
Dont know their reasoning for this past marketing but its not like you can make a million from
it, if they gave me that .2% at roulette I would be their best customer and a very happy man

securityman · 13 July 2011 17:38

you seem to be very badly informed , I hope when you type WE that im not included ,

To play ,(as WE do) the house edge is irelavant , lol That I dont accept ,how can WE Get me?

IF a casino was found to be cheating they would be closed down imediately , and the person/persons brought to trial

the odds/risk that players recieve (however low) are available upon request if not dispalyed directly at the gambling area

enter a casino , expect to lose , drink then drive your car expect to lose your licence

as I said before in the previous post ,accept it or not, anythng at all that alters the house edge is consodered as cheating and in some countrys illegal

I agree the games are classed as unfair , but as you know youll never here the casino mention it quite like that

if the games where fair then Id go strait back to my sytem playing days

my typing z for y is for a reason lol not that i want to make it public though

lol just reread my answer to you, you would think im on the casinos side , typing like i may even own one or have shares in one
(cough) enough said cya

Secman

devilish · 13 July 2011 18:07

Not badly informed at all, though, if you point a referance I can maybe enlighten. Though I did
wince when you said you would go back to a system if it was equal odds as I do not know what
you would expect to achieve! As someone who worked out the double clocking which I thought
was brilliant by the way I would have thought it was beyond you playing a system but maybe
I miss something :o. Also the house edge is very relevant, first you need advantage just to break
even and also it is a constant and an AV players edge may not be but of course I may be badly
“misinformed”!!

We as in “We only accept the rules otherwise we cant particpate lol.” is correct as it applies
to every player be it me, you or any other participant whether we like it or not. Your penchant
for z over y is something beyond me though to be fair I read it wrong so my bad. Still dont get why
you seem bitter though over something which I see at most a differance of opinion but can spend
my time better so good luck in your endeavours :-\

Davey-Jones · 13 July 2011 20:14

[quote=“securityman, post:30, topic:681”]you seem to be very badly informed , I hope when you type WE that im not included ,