Newbie to visual balistics

Hi guys. I’ve seen a few you tube clips and read up on the Internet about visual balistics. I tried it out so two weeks ago at my local casino. I used a method of counting the rotations and after so 20 rotations spot I spot the number under a specific diamond. It worked and for a few days I got every second call bet right. Afterwards I started to get it totally wrong, most of the times it’s straight opposite the correct number. I also spotted when there’s 3 or so spines left and tried to make the prediction then, this was evens more out. That is also the reason I used the counting of the ball rotation way coz spotting the last 3 rotations just made me guess more then anything els, coz if you take a rotation to early or just to late I fined myself being on the opposite side.
I believe that this is the way to beat roulette, and I’m actually excited and don’t mind loosing now because I know that if I get it right then I’ll be in a totally different league then the rest of the players at my local casino.

So yes, can some one please help me with a method or two or just a few tips in order to get my predictions spot on. I’m from south Africa and I don’t think there are players hear that’s got a clue of visually predicting and deals signature.

How to you deal with multi drop zone?

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Im actually assumed to say that i don’t/didnt evens take that into much account. What i know is that most of our wheels has got a fairly dominant drop point… how dominant, i cant really say because i didn’t put in effort to annualize it.

i think ive worked out a strategy how im gonna be able to determine the last 3 revs. Im gonna watch an experienced dealer spin the ball. then im gonna count the number of revs the ball makes. Lets say its 27 revs. On hes next spin im gonna count the revs the until i get 22 revs. the next two revs im gonna count from the 9 o’clock diamond, one …, two… until i get a “feeling” “rhythm” until the ball passes the 12 o’clock diamond (reference point). once i get a feeling of what should be right then, hopefully ill be able to watch the spins and concentrate on the the ball when it moves from 9 o’clock to 12 o’clock diamond. As soon as the ball moves in rhythm with my count i just take the number directly under the 12 o’clock diamond. Then i would check the winning number and see how many pockets its away from my reference number. this would be done until i see an more or less constant number of pockets. that would then be the adjustment to my reference number and Bob’s your uncle… in my head it sounds so right and it must work, but knowing my limited experience as soon as i try it, then its not gonna work because i l failed to take not of something small. let me know what you think and whats missing please

Brett

[quote=“Brettwynne, post:4, topic:1194”]i think ive worked out a strategy how im gonna be able to determine the last 3 revs. Im gonna watch an experienced dealer spin the ball. then im gonna count the number of revs the ball makes. Lets say its 27 revs. On hes next spin im gonna count the revs the until i get 22 revs. the next two revs im gonna count from the 9 o’clock diamond, one …, two… until i get a “feeling” “rhythm” until the ball passes the 12 o’clock diamond (reference point). once i get a feeling of what should be right then, hopefully ill be able to watch the spins and concentrate on the the ball when it moves from 9 o’clock to 12 o’clock diamond. As soon as the ball moves in rhythm with my count i just take the number directly under the 12 o’clock diamond. Then i would check the winning number and see how many pockets its away from my reference number. this would be done until i see an more or less constant number of pockets. that would then be the adjustment to my reference number and Bob’s your uncle… in my head it sounds so right and it must work, but knowing my limited experience as soon as i try it, then its not gonna work because i l failed to take not of something small. let me know what you think and whats missing please

Brett[/quote]keep it simple. Read forum. No need to reinvent bicycle

I went to the casino today. I played a few spins as I would normally do to get the bank role a bit up so that I can do some call bets using vb. It didn’t go as planned so I rather did a bit of wheel watching. When I got 3 predictions right I started playing. I made 2 call bets for 3 spins. Murphy’s law… I was out on all 3 occasion with 1or 2 pockets. It was a loosing session but I was actually pleased with it also. I’m gonna master it, just need a hell of a lot of practice still.

[quote=“Brettwynne, post:6, topic:1194”]I went to the casino today. I played a few spins as I would normally do to get the bank role a bit up so that I can do some call bets using vb. It didn’t go as planned so I rather did a bit of wheel watching. When I got 3 predictions right I started playing. I made 2 call bets for 3 spins. Murphy’s law… I was out on all 3 occasion with 1or 2 pockets. It was a loosing session but I was actually pleased with it also. I’m gonna master it, just need a hell of a lot of practice still.[/quote] Try to take it slow. Lern to understand what happens on the wheel in current moment. Simulate sessions of play on the paper. Keep your play log to look at it as chess player does…step by step. As you will probably found out ,wheel sometimes is not that difficult to beat. Main problem and main obstacle between you and your suxsess as roulette player will be your ignorance. Don’t bethink real money till you clearly understand what you bet and why, and especially when. Lern to see differences between current spin and spins you observed before. Take it as a stalker.

Thanks for the advice and believe me when I say, I’m trying to understand as much as possible regarding the game. My normal way playing was by using the dealers "signature " of he’s previous spins. I would win some and loose some but never really could make a killing. That’s why I know that if I wanna make some money I can’t be dependent on the dealer and he’s mood.

[quote=“Brettwynne, post:8, topic:1194”]Thanks for the advice and believe me when I say, I’m trying to understand as much as possible regarding the game. My normal way playing was by using the dealers "signature " of he’s previous spins. I would win some and loose some but never really could make a killing. That’s why I know that if I wanna make some money I can’t be dependent on the dealer and he’s mood.[/quote] Belive me or not, after 3 years of brainstorming the game , lm still dealer dependent ;). The only difference maybe is that l understood when not to place betts.
However dealer stability is always good.
To " elminate " dealer effect you need to adjust for rotor speed and make prediction in given (specific) revolution of ball. There are 2 ways you may follow ( or any tricky combination of 2). You may traditionaly identify one specific revolution, or you may use some compensation effect ( like vb2 has). Traditional vb way will be more accurate, however you will be off every time you miss revolution, by amount of pokets that ball does in given revolution ( and rotor speed). If you use vb2, you gonna get visual read that is in the middle (inbetween) of 2 posible visual reads if ball decelerate different. It needs good timer Dow. You may use one that ffv has.
Moral of the story… doesn’t matter wich way you use to take a visual read, you still need to judge ball deceleration. Look if it follow the spin you have as reference or not.
Read the forum atently, there are tons of info wich will help you, subscribe to vb2 section of forum, you may find interesting what you can find there.

Thanks man. I’ve got a theory regarding being able to win at a constant rate. If I one can eliminate as the luck side of roulette then you would be a constant winner, surly a lucky streak would help always, but I don’t want to be dependent on it. For instance, there’s trainee dealer at my local casino, almost all of them are spinning the ball in one area. The board is filled with big big stacks on those numbers. The other day I was also stacking up the chips and winning. The other day I spotted the trainee and went to play at her table. I looked at a few spins and the ball was landing every time next to or so 4 pockets away. I went big first time and I missed. I went big again and missed. I tell you the third time the same thing happened. As I was walking away she spinned again… next to the number. That’s enough to make you wanna hate the game and punch it in its face, if it had one, but that’s also the reason I’m trying to get as clued up as possible

[quote=“Brettwynne, post:10, topic:1194”]Thanks man. I’ve got a theory regarding being able to win at a constant rate. If I one can eliminate as the luck side of roulette then you would be a constant winner, surly a lucky streak would help always, but I don’t want to be dependent on it. For instance, there’s trainee dealer at my local casino, almost all of them are spinning the ball in one area. The board is filled with big big stacks on those numbers. The other day I was also stacking up the chips and winning. The other day I spotted the trainee and went to play at her table. I looked at a few spins and the ball was landing every time next to or so 4 pockets away. I went big first time and I missed. I went big again and missed. I tell you the third time the same thing happened. As I was walking away she spinned again… next to the number. That’s enough to make you wanna hate the game and punch it in its face, if it had one, but that’s also the reason I’m trying to get as clued up as possible[/quote] Interesting that you mention it. I’ll preparing doc for my timer buyers where l explain this phenomena and ways to address it ;).
It was first thing l figured out how to use to.
I would be playing like that till today probably, if l could convince Devilish ( nic on forum), that this type of play was walid without maths :smiley:

I’ll be great full if you could share the doc with me to

Tell me something, is it possible that wheel or a dealer can have a bias that once the ball is spinned , let’s say clockwise. … then the ball has a tendency to go to neighbours-to-zero?

[quote=“Brettwynne, post:13, topic:1194”]Tell me something, is it possible that wheel or a dealer can have a bias that once the ball is spinned , let’s say clockwise. … then the ball has a tendency to go to neighbours-to-zero?[/quote]Unfortunately, business of roulette prediction is not that easy. What you may observe as sectorising , in reality may be absolutely random or have real reasons behind this phenomenon. It’s not that strait forward as you describe, there are other criteria besides mentioned that make this phenomenon posible. Bias play itself is a tricky ocupation that requires much more understanding of the game then vb for example. In fact, vb is just a branch of bias play.
I personally think that roulette player has to have understanding of both , vb and bias play in order to be good player.

Can you direct me to any documentation or links that would give a more detailed explanation of VB and bias play. I would like to understand more about this.

[quote=“Brettwynne, post:15, topic:1194”]Can you direct me to any documentation or links that would give a more detailed explanation of VB and bias play. I would like to understand more about this.[/quote] l sudjest you speak with Lucky_strike about it. He has all!!! You may get some really good material written by roulette gurus for reasonable discount from him. Later you will have to read all of that with pen and paper to make sure you don’t miss some important info for future reference. Lucky is a great guy who may reasonably shorten your learning curve.
Don’t forget to say him BIG THANK YOU.
Besides that, read the forum, there are lots of useful info here. Don’t forget rool number 1. “Belive words of none, verify everything on practice”. Treat whatever you may read as an idea for your future studies, and you may greatly economise in time wasted following stupid ideas of others. There is lots of misinformation or info that is outdated.
Or you may get one of my timers and participate in big progect l have. I’m going to create a proxi of players who share info and work as a team based on mutual interest and without money factor in the middle… it’s like Ubuntu for roulette play ; ).

I went to the casino over the weekend, I practiced on my vb and also played my normal game. The money that I won I basically lost most of it trying out vb. It gets a bit frustrating when you don’t get it perfect . I want to know, how long does it take to get to a point where one gets at least 50% success?
Me and my girlfriend went to the casino today, the two of us just played for fun and i dint try to read the dealler at all and this was her first time playing.

Im a chemical engineer and I don’t believe in chance and I also never believed in hot numbers.I recon that there’s a perfect explanation to why certain numbers keep popping up. Back to the what happened, I played previous numbers and she was just picking numbers randomly. We won something like 10 and more spins in a row and walked away with a decent amount of cash. What is it that certain numbers or areas keep on popping up even if the previous spins don’t evens indicate that the ball should go there? I’m not sure if it’s also because I played for a change just for the fun of it.

Here is a topic to get you started …
http://rouletteplace.com/index.php?topic=1179.msg10321#msg10321

Cheers

Thanks a lot. I need a bit of help regarding normal play. I’m still far from making money off from VB, so I’m still using my normal way of playing. The problem is that I’ve been having a nightmare of a time lately I can’t get one number right. My normal style is as follows

27 (being the last number spin)
8
17
10
0
25
35

For my next bet I would check the numerous of pockets from 17 to 8 = +8 pockets (+ = clockwisel) and then 0 to 10 = +18 pockets and 35 to 25 +10 pockets. I’ll then start from ± 3 pockets in the clockwise direction from 27 . 13 to about 3. A good 22 or so pockets away from 27. I’m not getting nothing right, the dealler would then go a totally different direction. Other players get it right to know where he’s going, but not me. Is there another way of choosing numbers? Plz help me. It’s a bit humiliating when the dealler starts to take you for a fool. LOL. I’m also a believer that, in order to win you must have a winning attitude and you can only get this by winning.

Thanks

If you find it difficult to get distance, then you can memorize wheel as phone numbers and jump distance by sector.

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