Jefco's pred7 video

[quote=“Forester, post:20, topic:571”]First of all conditions he demonstrate on video are extreamly artificial.
Every single wheel he showed has huge ball deceleration.
Once I checked it was 330 ms difference in between two ball rotations.[/quote]

Forrester, do not get me wrong you do know you stuff especially on the technical side, your research is excellent 8). But, when it comes to understanding conditions your vision is a little burred (no pun intended).

WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND; :smiley:

JAFCOS VIDEOS ARE NOT MADE UNDER CONTROLED CONDITIONS BUT ARE UNDER FILMED UNDER GOOD CONDITIONS THAT MAY BE PECEIVED AS CONTROLED. 8)

like laurence, Jafco believes that there is no point in playing war hero and playing roulette under bad conditions. He believes in scouting for good conditions, and the deceleration of the ball is apart of those good conditions, That is part of being a winner.

We all know You should not just run up to any wheel and play world war 2 hero just to show how good you are, you will get banned :(. It’s always best to take the ninja/ sniper approach when playing that way YOU KNOW WHY YOU ARE WINNING. 8)

What jafco is explaining in his videos is that his methods and computer can perform well under 1,2,3 and 4 diamond bias (His visual works under 1,2 and 3 diamond bias). I am not saying you cannot play under bad conditions with pred7 I am jst saying what is point in playing in bad conditions at all. jafcos pred7 has a features called “drag” and “que set” which deals with the deceleration or lack of delceleration of the ball and even deceleration of the wheel (if there is any deceleration of the wheel). so pred7 can adapt. 8)

Sorry viper. I was not talking about yourself. You did a good lesson.

ok then sorry it was a misanderstanding.

“”“What jafco is explaining in his videos is that his methods and computer can perform well under 1,2,3 and 4 diamond bias”""

There is NO such a thing as 4 Diamonds Bias…if ir is 4 diamonds then simply it is NO bias at all

[quote=“esspri, post:21, topic:571”][quote=“Forester, post:20, topic:571”]First of all conditions he demonstrate on video are extreamly artificial.
Every single wheel he showed has huge ball deceleration.
Once I checked it was 330 ms difference in between two ball rotations.[/quote]

Forrester, do not get me wrong you do know you stuff especially on the technical side, your research is excellent 8). But, when it comes to understanding conditions your vision is a little burred (no pun intended).[/quote]

Maybe my vision is blurred since i havent seen such wheel in any casino, but i also didn’t hear about one.

Regarding his video results, where prediction to ball stop is more accurate then prediction to drop point I did see before, only at Stefano’s site. Am I going to hear same as Stefano’s explanation.

"jafcos pred7 has a features called "drag" and "que set" which deals with the deceleration or lack of delceleration of the ball and even deceleration of the wheel (if there is any deceleration of the wheel). so pred7 can adapt"

Computer features names as drag, que set, push, pull, fuck, and suck are mining less until explained.
I am afraid your explanation of dealing with lack of ball deceleration doesn’t make any sense.

"even deceleration of the wheel (if there is any deceleration of the wheel). so pred7 can adapt"

I may look amazing for promotion but I didn’t hear from any supplier that his computer doesn’t do it.
My point is, it is close to irrelevant, just makes it more complicated for users.
All talking computers do it, FFZ has an advantage, due to specific design it doesn’t have to do it.

What jafco is explaining in his videos is that his methods and computer can perform well under 1,2,3 and 4 diamond bias (His visual works under 1,2 and 3 diamond bias)

Which visual doesn’t?

“My roulette playing method has produced a long term winning margin for more than two decades. The experience gained over this time has enabled me to update frequently, probably creating the most practical and modern winning Visual Roulette System available anywhere.”

Honestly this is an assault to my intelligence and to any visual prediction I know.

I personally feel manipulated by Jafco.
Reading advertisements I believed he may have something new.
My disappointment come when I found out that all he does is estimate ball speed at particular moment in spin to take reference number. That’s basically what any VB does, some do a bit more then estimation.

New is
Dimond = pin
Sector play = 2 or 3 pin play
Switch = button

Changing names doesn’t make a system.

Further disappointment come when I read his explanation about what he calls two pin games.
Nothing new you still do the same traditional VB, but he says

“The Vibe method stand out
as unique as very few systems in the world are able to play this two pin game.”

Then again,
“The more dominant
of the two pins is nearly always the pin that the ball will reach first, or, put
another way, is the only pin out of the two that has two quiet pins just before it
where the ball should hardly ever land. It is this pin that we call our main pin
and is the one we always set our aim to in the two pin game. We set up the
aim in exactly the same way as we did in the one pin game. Never aim at
what we call the ‘fall-out’ pin or 2nd pin - you will win plenty from both pins but
the main aim pin is the better one and we must always set the aim to this one.
The reasons for this will become clearer the longer you play.”

(It never become clear, since it’s irrelevant which one we use)
Obviously he couldn’t see that you really do not have to choose first pin.
Same as in front of first pin we have 2 not active pins, we can look at it as after second pin we have 2 inactive pin. It doesn’t make any difference. Player will be better off, if second pin is getting more hits take it as a main target. It is wrong explanation and understanding that if you do it you will not be taking advantage of both pins.
This wasn’t a typing mistake, it was a mistake in lack of understanding.

“You will often observe that the 2nd pin or fall-out pin will go through phases of
strong dominance and it can become very tempting to set your aim to this pin.
I have said, categorically, that this is not a good idea unless you have only
just discovered the wheel and are beginning to view it more as a single pin
wheel rather than a two pin wheel. If, however, it is just a phase that occurs
frequently then keep your aim to the main pin, the one that has two dead pins
before it.”

If Jafco could understand it then he wouldn’t explain 3 pin game as he did. He even wouldn’t call it 3 pin game.
For 3 pin game he requires fast rotor speed, about 2.4s / rotation.

He explains long time explained scenario when ball most of the time is exiting on one of 2 opposite pins. It is happening on every wheel, because rotor speed and ball speed in last rotation are close in value, until ball makes half rotation and rotor will make same distance therefore they meet on opposite side again. How this relates to that only his system can do it, I really can’t understand. He calls it 3 pin game because of overlap he was explaining when rotor is slow. With fast rotor on third pin player would be wrong by 16 pockets. I assume it looks better than 26.

If we look slow rotor where he is explaining effect of 2 pin game the best results will be where rotor moves 6 pockets per sec. Based on that if we prediction much earlier if we are wrong by one rotation we would be wrong by 6 pockets, or even if we are wrong by 2 rotations we would be wrong by 12. If 16 pockets error can be tolerated and occasional 12 pockets is ok. Same principles of 2 pin games still apply. So what is the point?

Based on his explanation he could include and 4th pin.
If ball hits ¼ rotation earlier we would be wrong 9+ whatever rotor makes in about 0.55s(1/4 of last rotation), it could be 9+4=13 so we get even better then 16. According to Jafco it looks as no matter where the ball drops if rotor is 2.4s we always play with an advantage.

"Next, you need to determine how you will set up your aim to the dominant pin

  • you must consider two main issues at this time: firstly, where the dominant
    pin is in relation to the reference pin and, secondly, at what point you want to
    make your bet, which can be anything between 2 revolutions and about 4
    revolutions from landing
    ."

I do not have problem understanding that if he predicts 2-4 revolutions before then ball drops on a wheel of 330ms deceleration, he can be more accurate. Within 330ms you have more space. But what with a real wheel, today in casino deceleration of ball 2-4 rotations before drop is only 100ms. And his system should be a system for modern times??? Someone prediction 2-4 ball rotations before ball drop and only estimating, with which right can call it superior system for modern times. I asume it is only marketing B/S to take an advantage over competitors . He is not the only one, I’ve seen worst, he only does it politely :slight_smile:

Because of mistakes in explanation, because of misleading selected videos, because of intensive advertising, and because of assault to my intelligence I can understand Jafco only as someone learning same as we all do.

Will I recommend his vibe? I will, nice explanation of tilted wheel, but do not expect to take it as it is and to win. (Maybe if you are one in 100)

About his PDA roulette computer,
I do not like any PDA, because of timing accuracy issue, also I do not like required induction wires around neck or earpiece in my ear. If I am after PDA I would better go after Barnetts one. It is only one PDA officially tested, proven to work, adjustable to any time window, and it’s much cheaper.

http://www.survtech.co.uk/Site/Survtech_Devices.html


Player will be better off, if second pin is getting more hits take it as a main target.

Obviously… but you dont know which pin would have most hits until after the play. The point is you treat the 2 pins as 50/50 because at this stage you dont know better.

Personally i treat all wheels as 1 pin games also the semi tilted ones, i decide the strike pin late in the spin. If one cant do that, they would have to settle for less like Jafcos play. Nothing beats accuracy, sometimes you will just need a short cut, i think Jafco gives an okay soloution until you are able to get more accuracy during experience and training, which is something you dont get by reading an e book.

Before you judge how his operation performs on a wheel with slow decelleration, you need to see it applyed on one. It sounds like Jafco can get you just as much up in the red as steve can, and that even without taking part in the deate :slight_smile:

you won’t find any 1 pin dominating diamonds any where near where I live in Atlantic City, New Jersey located in the United States, maybe 10 or 15 years ago you might have gotten lucky every so now and than…

So when scouting for a table I am actually looking for a 2 pin game … While scouting for a 2 pin game all 3 conditions must meet for me to proceed to stage 2.

  1. 2 diamonds side by side are getting atleast 67% of all the hits

  2. the first of those 2 diamonds is the dominating diamond

  3. the 2 diamonds before the dominating diamond are getting the least amount of hits than the 2 diamonds before all the other diamonds

if all 3 conditions are met, I find to be most profitable for me, regardless of what type of VB/ computer I may be using.

Under these conditions I find that even FFZ performs better as opposed to simply choosing a table just because a particular diamond appears to be getting more hits than normal while ignoring everything else. I am sure that we are all guilty at one point or another for picking a bad table just because a particular diamond appeared to be getting more hits than normal but later after you are down eventually realize the table you picked is unbeatable.

that’s why I use my 3 step approach to picking a table so I can just scout out the good tables that are beatable , and no longer have to waste my time on bad unbeatable tables just because a partiular diamond appeared to be getting more hits than normal. that’s because if you are only using 50 or less spins as a sample, than its very easy for any particular diamond to appear to be getting more hits than normal. Most likely that is not the case, it just appeared that way in the small sample that you observed.

I can read,

"The more dominant of the two pins is nearly always the pin that the ball will reach first, or, put another way, is the only pin out of the two that has two quiet pins just before it where the ball should hardly ever land. It is this pin that we call our main pin and is the one we always set our aim to in the two pin game. We set up the aim in exactly the same way as we did in the one pin game. Never aim at what we call the ‘fall-out' pin or 2nd pin - you will win plenty from both pins but the main aim pin is the better one and we must always set the aim to this one. The reasons for this will become clearer the longer you play."

Jacob insists on a first pin which is complete nonsense.
Are two inactive pins in front or after you target it is completely irrelevant.
4 -3.25 is same as 3.25-4
or 3 and 3.75 or 4-4.75 is good
The ball doesn’t have to stay ¾ rotations shorter.
We get same if it makes ¾ extra and that is why it is not important to use first pin but one that has the most hits, because hits on secondary pin are not so perfect, it’s only a bonus.

Can you read his 3 pin explanation and correct me if I am wrong. All I could see is playing only 2 opposite pins on 2.4 sec rotor. It’s something that is just happening on the wheel and again it has nothing to do with the way he predicts. If third pin is involved to be able to call it 3 pin game, with more right to it we can involve and 4th pin.

Sector play…
You aim to particular ball rev, observe results observe drop points, observe scatter. Many things may overlap at some conditions, anything that works you play.

I simply can’t see what did Jafco bring new to make it better.

By my opinion he made even traditional VB worst then it is.

Targeting third or forth ball revolution on today’s casinos wheels is worst then targeting 5th or 6th.
After knee point the ball deceleration drops, that makes everything harder.
Only on his wheel it’s better because it has 330ms at 3-4 rev to go. If it is for his wheel then how he can call it VB of future, I leave to you to decide.

"It sounds like Jafco can get you just as much up in the red as steve can, and that even without taking part in the deate :-)"

HAHA, Yes mate I just hate everything, it has nothing to do with what’s written or lovely sunny day here.

Dr. Spock,

From time to time I’m in your area. I have found some strong drops, including some one pin games. Look at the wheels later in the week.

In general, early in the week, many of the wheels get a good cleaning so it skews them for a while. Give them about 30 or 40 hours to begin to recover. Check the wheels out on late Sat. nights and Sundays.

If you want specific casinos then we can talk via email.
We really should meet up in AC sometime for lunch or dinner.

-Caleb (Snowman)

Ouch, I have to hire
Ken for a moderator here. ::slight_smile:

Too funny. lol

Stefano’s place is quite a mess. :smiley:

snowman,

check your email. 8)

You just missed him, we were chatting past 30 min.
He told me want to meet with you believing you are smart.
I didn’t say anything :stuck_out_tongue:

snowman picked a good time to finally get a chance to meet up with me in the united states. I am positioning myself to expect to become a fulltime professional roulette advantage player by january 2011.

I all ready quite my day job a few months ago and so far have been able to make enough money to live off of exclusively off my roulette winnings even thou I only play about 3 times a week on a part time basis.

but in january 2011 that will all change with me playing at least 5 times a week on a full time schedule. 8)

Dr, Spock how do u play? VB or RC or BOTH?
Thanks

[quote=“viper5, post:23, topic:571”]ok then sorry it was a misanderstanding.

“”“What jafco is explaining in his videos is that his methods and computer can perform well under 1,2,3 and 4 diamond bias”""

There is NO such a thing as 4 Diamonds Bias…if ir is 4 diamonds then simply it is NO bias at all[/quote]

LOL HAHA. I meant to say a wheel where four diamonds are being hit frequently. Thanks for the correction.

The right name for it is LEVELED.

[quote=“viper5, post:35, topic:571”]Dr, Spock how do u play? VB or RC or BOTH?
Thanks[/quote]

He uses laser for 2 sec.


Except if the wheel has 16 diamonds. 8 vertical and 8 horizontal…

Then I guess a 4 pin game is on :smiley:

hahahahahha!