Jefco's pred7 video

most of us here are aware of jefco’s visual roulette vibe and vibrating watch that works well under the right conditions…

but here is john jefco’s video regarding his 2008 pred7 roulette computer that is still a big mystery to me. just remember this video is 2 years old, and his latest 2010 pred7 is claiming to be more highly accurate than the 2008 pred7 shown below. The 2010 pred7 also has a new hidden switch that just came out last month ( Sepetember 2010).

Has anyone actually used the new and improved 2010 pred7 or the older version, the 2008 pred7 shown below?

anyhow, what is your take on this video regarding his older model, the 2008 pred7?

Personally, I can’t imagine a newer 2010 version being much more highly accurate than the older 2008 version shown below? but than again, what do I know? ;D

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Dr Spock how come u dont send John one email about it - i had some contact with him in the past - he is a true gentleman, kind and polite - i am sure he would give u some good explination and hints.

O_o

Yes he writes that player doesn’t have to use 2 switches any more, one for rotor clocking and the other one for ball. Not sure why he ever had to use 2 switches.

From that video you can’t see much.

If you read rotor number at 10 o clock when he just throws the ball you will get better prediction and much earlier in time (simple DS).

I do not know why even bother making video how computer predicts 3-4 rotations before then ball drops especially on tilted wheel.

Common practice for casino is to call no more bets at least 3 rotations before the end.
In UK he should be able to hire newer wheel and make predictions with at least 6-8 remaining rotations (especially tilted wheel).

Talking and explaining, would help. ::slight_smile:

My roulette playing method has produced a long term winning margin for more than two decades. The experience gained over this time has enabled me to update frequently, probably creating the most practical and modern winning Visual Roulette System available anywhere.

Ouch, this is an assault on my intelligence. :-[

LOL. Good point.

I often say there is no point in designing system/computer that predicts 3-4 rotations before then ball drops.
From my point of view I need 5,6,7,8,9… to be able to play.

Standard procedure for casinos is to call NMB at least 3 rotations before then the ball drops. Jafco on his videos predicts 3.25 to 4 rotations before ball drop.

But sure at some places you may be able to place some chips. In usual if you winning it wouldn’t last long, they’ll ask you to place bets earlier.

When I play they start often call NMB as soon when I move my hands to place chips, it was 6-7 rotations before then the ball drops.

remember, casinos try to encourage dealers to take bets even as late as 1 or 2 revolutions before the ball lands. I remember when i got told off by an inspector for calling no more bets too early because they want take as many bets as possible, more bets means more profit. Casino only want you to call NMB early under certain rare situations.

Even now that’s the idea.
Here 80 % calls will be 3-5 rotations before ball drop.
But sometimes they call NMB moment when ball hits rotor :D.

[quote=“Forester, post:6, topic:571”]I often say there is no point in designing system/computer that predicts 3-4 rotations before then ball drops.
From my point of view I need 5,6,7,8,9… to be able to play.[/quote]

You have a point but You can set pred7 to predict up to 12 revolutions before the ball drops. Even in the 2008 version you could set the pred to 8 revs.

If we will not test the Pred7 ourselfs ,we can t make a conclusion of its accurasy.
By hearing words from here and there we can t make a genuine assumption.
Till now Noone has tested it from the members that we are in here.
What I know is that John Jafco is a man that understand VB preety well and he is also a man that want everything to be perfect. So I am sure that Pred7 will be very good.

[b]"You have a point but You can set pred7 to predict up to 12 revolutions before the ball drops. Even in the 2008 version you could set the pred to 8 revs"[/b].

I believe you can set it, the problem is what will you get. Do not forget it is only a PDA.
On all of his videos he is predicting 3.25-4 rev to the end, even with fixed moment of prediction, late predictions, and on a wheel with high ball deceleration he has errors. Jafco never demonstrated prediction in different ball rotations, or multiple predictions. Until now I didn’t hear single positive review.

[b]"Till now Noone has tested it from the members that we are in here."[/b]

That’s bullshit Viper, perhaps you have short memory. Search forums support section. I only didn’t like writing about it in public, considering few reviews are pointless.

3 people from this forum tested it,
One described it worst then Mark Howe’s, he told me have to use uses 2 switches, then you can imagine rest. He managed to get money back from Jafco. That was strong indication that Jafco is not Mark Howe.

The other 2 said, it only works on Jafco’s wheel.

Sure 3 people is not enough to make judgement, and even if the computer is reasonable it doesn’t mean they must be able to win in casino. Sometimes people are just manipulated by videos some sellers make to convince them to buy. Reality is very different. Who to blame, them or the seller?

“”“Jafco never demonstrated prediction in different ball rotations, or multiple predictions. “””

This is correct. And it s because ONLY FFs can do it.

But even FF that we know that it is an OK RC , IF a user has NO VB knowledje or IF he is a bad clocker …IT can t make OK predictions.
So we don t know if that was the case of the users of Pred 7 RC.
That s why i am saying that IF WE do not test it…we can t know for sure.

As for the 2 switches this is true…but Jafco when realised that it was a bad thing…he updated the Pred to have only 1 switch.(everyone can and must update their products )
and If u haven t read this in his site :

“”“I am pleased to announce yet another world first in the field of roulette prediction development, ‘The 100% Invisible Switch’ I have been granted an exclusive license to offer my customers this amazing new product. This means no more inaccurate and awkward footswitches, no more hands in pockets, no more pen switches that lose accuracy through transmission, and nothing held in the hand . This is a sensor style switch.”""""

So as u see he got beond the 1 switch!
As for if an RC is in a mobile or in a pda or in a platform like FF …it doesn t make much deference in Acuraccy.
AND THIS IS BECAUSE THE THING THAT MATTERS IN AN RC IS THE SOFWARE(THE WAY THAT CALCULATES)
Now if it is calculating with 0.000(ms) or with 0.00 its doesn t have a big deference ,because the clocker can t make soooooo acurate “clicks” in order to have a BIG deference!

I am not taking anyones side here…I am just telling what logic tells.

and he is also a man that want everything to be perfect

It doesn’t match his design of using something that is not so perfect and which can’t be perfected.

PDA or mobile phone roulette computer is nothing new, I never had problem saying it could be programmed and with some accuracy to predict tilted wheel.

Barnett’s PDA RC is straight forward, no bullshit or manipulative videos, no Google advertisements just to sell, and it has been officially tested. In addition if you like, it builds a scattergram, which Jafco computer doesn’t have. Barnett’s computer is also half priced.

Mark Howe’s PDA is probably the most accurate of all PDA’a or mobiles because of some extra features it has.

By my opinion they all are step behind and simply there is no way to progress. FFA is something as half size of PDA, even it’s more accurate than a PDA, last time I used it more than a year ago. Why would I use it if FFZ is smaller faster no hearing aid no wires around players neck and no wait for rotor to come to particular position. That all counts big in a real game.

Making PDA roulette computer to work any way you want, you can do buy yourself. I already told you your idea is ok.

Few hundred dollars and programmers in Pakistan or India will do it for you.
Most likely you will end up same as Jafco and Stefano. Paying Goodle advertisements to sell it. That way you will make more money. And we will get another expert VIPER who for genuine reasons is selling it, with computer you can also offer tourist accommodation.

"Now if it is calculating with 0.000(ms) or with 0.00 its doesn't have a big deference ,because the clocker can't make soooooo acurate "clicks" in order to have a BIG deference!"

Of course it makes difference especially when you predicting earlier in spin where ball deceleration per rotation is smaller. Players clocking errors are more than enough, we do not need additional errors from timers. It matters in any aspect, if you want for computer to learn or if you want to apply some error corrections.

Man u do not have to be so cruel with Jafco. lol
Stefano scam RC can not be compaired with his. ;D

The new FFZ R5 is for sure the most flexible RC of all.
The only problem with all the FFZs is that we can t set them to play Both directions of the ball.

Not cruel, just not very polite. If I go deeper in to explanations it may look more cruel, so I will not. :stuck_out_tongue:
“The only problem with all the FFZs is that we can’t set them to play Both directions of the ball.”
With same right I can call it cruel. It may present wrong picture, as that we can’t use it to play both ball directions.

here are the facts:

-Jafco’s pred 7 does play in both directions.

-I have never had a problem with Jafco or pred7. I also do not know any customer of his EVER saying there is a problem with pred7.

  • The 2008 version had 1 switch with two buttons not 2 switches.

  • The 2010 version has no switches or buttons.

-he is as experienced with roulette computers as he is visual, even though visual prediction is his first love.

-Jafco has other material in the works beyond the PDA pred7. Stuff he does not even tell me about because he knows I won’t keep my mouth shut ;D.This is probably why I have not been able to speak to him properly for a while.

UK Casinos are becoming more aware of computers. even in the casinos that i have worked in. This is why Jafco has such a low profile, especially where pred7 is concerned.

There are people winning consistantly with pred7 and they do not want jafco to get pred7 “tested” and word gets round to casinos who will come with counter measures.

I work in the business and At the moment casinos still only have limited info on what truely makes a winning player and we need to keep it that way because they are trying to get more and more advanced equipment to keep up.

-Jafco's pred 7 does play in both directions.

Every computer does it except Stefano’s, now he say he made it as well.

What Viper mentioned relates only to some settings since the FFZ is the only one computer that can play both ball directions without telling to computer which direction the ball will go.

- The 2008 version had 1 switch with two buttons not 2 switches.

Button is only a part of a Switch, I believe you want to say it was 2 switches in same housing.
Also on a roulette wheel we have diamonds, not pins.

- The 2010 version has no switches or buttons.
It looks as a secret, but I assume it makes timings more inaccurate. However it may benefit something else.
-he is as experienced with roulette computers as he is visual, even though visual prediction is his first love.

I’ll never agree.
Experts are people which come and from casino next to him took $500k while he was making Google advertisements to sell his system. Same people come to Melbourne and took $400k. Also in his document I see lack of understanding. From people who sell something I find only Laurance with no mistakes in his explanations. Same relates to his discussion at public forums. If we talk about traditional VB, I would give more credit to Kelly.

-Jafco has other material in the works beyond the PDA pred7. Stuff he does not even tell me about because he knows I won't keep my mouth shut .This is probably why I have not been able to speak to him properly for a while.

I hope that we will not come to point same as genuine winner system. “Well here it is for your money but I know more, I am not stupid to send system that can potentially make millions to people I do not trust.”

There are people winning consistantly with pred7 and they do not want jafco to get pred7 "tested" and word gets round to casinos who will come with counter measures. I work in the business and At the moment casinos still only have limited info on what truely makes a winning player and we need to keep it that way because they are trying to get more and more advanced equipment to keep up.

I see, so he doesn’t show more because of them, but he heavily advertises it to sell.
Not sure what is stopping casino to buy one unit, same as they did with my FFA and FFZ, then get all information they want. It doesn’t make any sense to sell systems to public advertise it on Google and in same time claim you do not want casino to know.

Personally I do not believe it would be any wrong if someone maks video to show computer predicting 6-7 rotations before ball drop.

Jafco does not sell “systems” that is what stefano does, and we all know stefano has 3 lifetimes before he can even think to be on jafcos level.

Listen forrester, i am a man of peace and prosperity so i will not argue. However, Its some of jafcos customers that does not wan’t casinos to know about pred7 not jafco. That COULD be the reason for his low profile, that is all i was trying to say (i should have said that more clearly). Rumor has it one of his customers want to pay him to stop selling pred7 to the public. :o

In regards to him using google adds, so what!!!. How can people buy something if its not advertised. I would have never bought laurence scott’s book if it was not advertised because I would have never known about it (even though i bought it on ebay sorry scott) ;).

Jafco walks the walk and he really plays from time to time he has nothing to prove. How can people say his videos are bogus when people use his video spins to show off their vb skills and systems on the internet and still get the numbers wrong (ON A VIDEO REPLAY). :-[

““Jafco walks the walk and he really plays from time to time he has nothing to prove. How can people say his videos are bogus when people use his video spins to show off their vb skills and systems on the internet and still get the numbers wrong (ON A VIDEO REPLAY)””

who did this???
I actually used his dvd video spins and with VB and FFA I was predicting SPOT ON!

If u refaring to me…then u have no idea about VB or RC…
The precictions were at the “STRIKE POINT”
Have u ever heard of the strike pont…haha! :stuck_out_tongue:

and it wasn t a show off…it was a VB lesson that everyone thanked me for it…

If that was the case then we can t rely on u about how accurate any system is…because u don t even know the basics of a Roulette prediction…VB or RC…

Laurance is different, for him I know that he understands and that he made money.

Jafco comes 20 years after Laurance, makes Google advertisement as an expert having the best VB system, as a 3rd dimension of roulette, when he even doesn’t explain what LS was explaining 20 years ago.

I got his original DVD form same person who bought and his computer. Anybody can make some flash files and explain VB principles then sell it as his system.

I looked it and couldn’t even define it as a system. It is actually less than traditional principles of VB.
The only extra he did is make cards for retarded, as I already explained earlier.

Any VB player, will somehow clock rotor.

Did Jafco bring something new. I do not see anything, except cards he made as an additional help. Of course nobody will ever use it in casino. It’s for a beginner which is fair enough but it doesn’t increase an edge of pro player.

Every VB defines particular ball rotation and reads reference number.

(Even VB2, with an exception that it we can read it in different rotation, but it sdtil relates to particular ball rotation. )

What did Jafco bring new?

Nothing, his solution is; watch and estimate when the ball speed is somewhere in between 3.25 to 4 rotations. He even explained it wrongly believing it will work only if you use first diamond, which of course isn’t truth.

If that’s the system he sells, and it is, how can he call it expert system in any way?

What is new?

Perhaps baptising "diamond " to a “pin” is new. Same as you, instead of switch you want it to be a button.

“My roulette playing method has produced a long term winning margin for more than two decades. The experience gained over this time has enabled me to update frequently, probably creating the most practical and modern winning Visual Roulette System available anywhere.”
This is false advertising or something wrong with him.

Jafco does not sell "systems" that is what stefano does, and we all know stefano has 3 lifetimes before he can even think to be on jafcos level.

That’s not truth, regardless my problems with Stefano and knowledge that he really never played VB. I do not see why he can’t teach it. I honestly do not see any difference in between VB they documented.
Both claim to be experts but when I get system they have, I see nothing more then basic.

Listen forrester, i am a man of peace and prosperity so i will not argue. However, Its some of jafcos customers that does not wan't casinos to know about pred7 not jafco. That COULD be the reason for his low profile, that is all i was trying to say (i should have said that more clearly). Rumor has it one of his customers want to pay him to stop selling pred7 to the public.

Maybe, it happened to me, I even stopped selling it for one year. But anybody can claim it, especially someone who wants advertising as he does. What I am saying is that I am not impressed with Jafco’s VB or videos at all.

In regards to him using google adds, so what!!!. How can people buy something if its not advertised. I would have never bought laurence scott's book if it was not advertised because I would have never known about it (even though i bought it on ebay sorry scott) .

Well VB professionals I was telling you about didn’t have to advertise how they won in Ritz 500k. They also never wrote that anybody paid them to not do it. I do not believe any of them will invite you to their place so they can teach you VB for $300. I wouldnt do it.

Jafco walks the walk and he really plays from time to time he has nothing to prove. How can people say his videos are bogus when people use his video spins to show off their vb skills and systems on the internet and still get the numbers wrong (ON A VIDEO REPLAY).

First of all conditions he demonstrate on video are extreamly artificial.
Every single wheel he showed has huge ball deceleration.
Once I checked it was 330 ms difference in between two ball rotations.

Do you know what does it mean?

You can confidently have plus or minus 100ms error and still have same prediction.
You can repeat and you will again and again get same prediction. God bless, It is tilted wheel prediction where only ball rotation is identified. According to his short videos even his prediction is so late and on such wheel he still has mistaken in prediction.

Even he got nice hit because the ball jumped much longer it doesn’t sound right. It also indicates that his spins on his video are carefully selected.

In my life I only experienced with Stefano and Jafco that final ball stop (after ball bouncing) is more accurate then point when the ball will drop on rotor. In usual after ball scatter distribution across rotor pockets it is at least 50% worst.