PLEASE try to help me out with this…
when u are at the right time to make the “prediction” to which spot of the bowl u look at???
thanks!
can anyone answer me???
i really wan t to know the factors that make u look at the right spot
Wheel speed. If you predict 9 seconds out, a 3.0 sec rotor will have moved 3 full revoloutions and a 4.0 rotor will have moved 2.25 revoloutions. The reading point for the 4 sec wheel speed is moved 3/4 of a wheel. So if the reading point for 3.0 secs is 12 o clock, the reading point for 4.0 sec rotors will be 9 o clock or 3 o clock depending on wheel/ball direction. That is the rotor position, the scatter is most likely to be a little different too, so the reading point is likely to be adjusted another 2 - 3 pockets if the bounce is slightly shorter for the slower rotor.
When i read your question, im afraid this answer won`t help you much, but that is the answer to your question.
Hello viper,
I received your pm but you also made question here, and it is better since you may get different opinions.
With roulette visual prediction you have a dominant diamond, particular ball rotation, and final result.
In usual you always start to read reference number under your dominant diamond when the ball is in particular rotation to the end. That is your reference number, but it doesn’t have to be prediction number.
What if your reference number is zero and the ball stops 9 pockets from there at number 34.
And if that distance of 9 pockets repeats most of the time.
You can get reference number and manually add 9 pockets as an offset.
Or you can just shift your observation point by 9 pockets then your reference number will be and your prediction number.
If your dominant diamond was at 12 o’clock and if the ball is in CW then your observation point would be at 3 o’clock.
After that comes what Kelly explained. You adjusting your observation point according to rotor speed. But you do not have to, you can keep same point but if rotor is faster add more pockets to your prediction.
Also i believe Kelly explained it more as a theory which may not be very practical.
It is as converting USD to euro then back again to USD to buy something.
How do we measure rotor speed?
Most of the time in pockets that rotor makes in our reference time.
So we get data in pockets. Let say we use timer 1 sec, if rotor makes 9 pockets during our reference time, in real play we do not need to know that it’s rotor speed of 4.11 sec per rotation. Who cares, since we need to know how much we need to shift prediction in pockets not in seconds.
If we keep data in pockets then it is much simpler to know how much to shift prediction or observation point.
Let say next spin rotor makes 10 pockets in our reference time of one sec.
It means that rotor makes 1 pocket extra per sec. So if remaining time is 9 seconds as in Kelly’s example all you need to do is to add difference, 1x9=9 pockets.
If rotor made 12 pockets then it would be 12-9=3 pockets difference in rotor speed so 3x 9sec=27.
This way you looking only for changes in rotor speed and adjusting, you do not need to convert it to rotor time per rotation.
This way also doesn’t require from you to know exact remaining time, since you following changes in that time whatever the time is. It might not be 9 sec. So if rotor with 12 p/s doesn’t make ball drop by 27 pockets more, but by 36. Then your remaining time is 12sec. But again you do not need to know it. All you need to know is that if you have 9 pockets/s rotor you have offset zero same as with 12p/s.
So 10/p/s will be 1/3 of whatever 12p/s makes and 11ps rotor will make 2/3 of it… etc or anything in between.
thank u for ur reply Mr forester
it was very complete!
but in the most cases the weel have at list 2-3 diferent drop points…
what can u do with that?
Lol , i do not know , i asume VB that you use can handle it.
Use Jafcos 2 or 3 pin game.
i reccon jafco’s 2 or 3 pin game, its very hard to master, but i truley believe that you can beat 99% of the wheels if you learn the 3 pin game.
Rubbish,
It is not the system it is the law of tilted wheel.
Nothing to master, you play it same as one pin game.
If CW ball makes 3 rotations and hits 12 o’clock diamond and stops on zero it is normal that if ball made 2.25 rotations, hits 3 o’clock, ~zero will be there.
But more likely that if targeting 3 revolutions to the end you will get 3.25 more often then 2.25 since 2.25 is much slower ball and 3.25 is very close to 3.0.
Same principle applies to LS cross pattern or to UWE or any other prediction targeting particular ball revolution.
Jefco recommends to use first of dominant diamonds, then this principle is valid. But same as that he equally could use second one.
Then
If we observe diamond at 3 o‘clock and if ball makes 3 rotations and hits same diamond we get ok prediction, But we get good prediction even if the ball passes the diamond. Because that ball will go for another ¾ of rotation and hit our diamond at 12 o’clock. Predicted number will be there since rotor has moved.
It’s irrelevant do we chose first or second diamond, it always happening that at particular rotor speed results will overlap. This has nothing to do with any of systems and we need to select most dominant diamond.
So, can someone explain to me what is there to master it and how do you play it differently then single (pin) diamond? Maybe I am missing something.
One more thing, about his cards.
They can’t be accurate for every kind of wheel; it can be accurate for only one particular wheel since time of ball traveling 3 or 4 last revolutions will not be the same on every wheel. Also particular ball material doesn’t define it and he forgot that not all balls are same in diameter.
If he wants to use cards (for slow people and beginners) he should make selection of cars on different principles. Not by ball type plus targeted amount of rotations to the end.
Since he already uses timer, player should after targeted ball rotation count timer pulses and define remaining time. Then select card according to time length. When remaining time is known then is irrelevant which kind of ball is used or which kind of wheel is played.
I can t understand why u attack on Jefco?
isn t he a professional VB player?
i saw his videos of his RS and i don t think that any other is so accurate…
it even tells u no to bet!!!
I do not attack him, I am only commenting system.
If you think I explained something wrong then tell me.
ok i really want to know something…
have u and kelly and jefco and snow man play all togeather in a weel…and see who is the most accurate?
couse noone can say things that tells that he is the best if he haven see the others…
Viper5
I belive Kelly is one of the very best.
You should be happy if Kelly and Forester reply and try to help you.
Regarding roulette computer so do i only hear good things about FFA and i can not say i hear the same about other roulette computers.
If you are here to learn then stop argue and ask questions about VB.
It is not important ho is the best of the best but they are here.
Cheers Lucky Strike
sorry LS but i don t think that anyone can learn VB by asking questions…
its a teqnique!
u must 1st find which is the best and the practice a lot!
i don t want to practice with the wrong teqnique and make my eyes hurt for nothing
viper are you here to try to better your skills and learn from real vb players or just to start shit and try and prove people wrong. we are here to try and help and better each other skills. not to fight and waste time. if you want to become a good player i would change my ways and learn how to talk to people. this is a forum of friends. :-* ;D ;D
u fight here on ur own…lol
it didn t deded me to come and do that.
i don t have any reason to make fights with anyone!
i just started learning VB and i wanted to find the most accurate system in order to bye it…
because with questions u can t learn VB
its like someone don t know how to do sex and he asks…
if u don t have the partener u will never know…
thats all
i am just sad that in here all of the pros say that the other pros aren t good enough!
when someone say “rubish” the system of an other one i think this is attack…
exept if in greece we have a diferent way to understand things
Viper you say you just started learning VB. Who/what is your guide/mentor ? If you are just scimming the boards for info to learn it, you will have a hard time ahead.
There is nothing wrong in attacking a large drop zone the way Jafco does. Obviously one would get better results with a more precise prediction and predicting the correct strike diamond, thats the way i try to do it, but if you cant do it that way, Jafcos overlap soloution is the next best thing. He recommends using cards, but hey, after a week of training you wont be looking at any cards anymore. But its an allright way for the beginner.
Accuracy beats everything, but sometimes we need to short cut a wheel, simply because we ain`t good enough. Jafcos overlap soloution is fine and will work under some conditions.
I even do it myself, more or less the same way, when i cant get a feel for predicting the correct diamond but must settle for 2 pins as the best. I dont know why forester keeps bashing the teckniqe because we are only humans, not computers, and a 75% drop zone IS a hard nut to crack for all VB players. Most players disses wheels with 3 or 4 pin zones.
But you are correct viper, the only way to learn VB is to get down and dirty and start practising on some wheels. If you do it on dvd, you got the possibility to do them several times. Start by taking 2 - 3 spins and run them until you get your prediction in the same round EVERY TIME, preferbly the same number. Then add another 2 - 3 spins and run them until you puke. Get a feel for the prediction round, you might even skip predicting numbers but go for predicting strike diamonds exactly say 4 revoloutions before they strike the diamond.
By the way thanks for the flowers, but im not the best. I have seen a few whizz kids, and nothing beats a boy who has the feel in his veins.
KELLY
thanks for the reply u are a very nice man!polite and accurate! 
this month i will get jefco system…
i will practice it to death!!!
i will post the resaults
I said “rubbish” to Yous comment.
I don`t know why forester keeps bashing the teckniqe
Kelly I already asked but nobody answered.
So tell me which extra technique he is using for 2 pin game?
From what I have read, NONE.
And tell me how can his card for 4 rotations to the end, with defined ball material, without defined ball diameter be in any way accurate.
If it works on his wheel where ball deceleration is extremely high, there is no chance to be accurate on most common wheels in casino. Also ball small in diameter will not travel in same time last 4 revolutions as ball with large diameter. If ball for those 4 rotations goes let say one sec longer none of data from card will match. And that is what will always happen. So player simply can not rely on cards. I can understand “we are only humans” but this has nothing to do with including irrelevant factors, still missing some and not including the most important one.
Since, he only estimates particular rotation, I can understand that he limit himself to have predication only 2,3,or 4 rotations before then ball drops. On his wheel last 4 rotations take about 6-6.5 sec before then ball drops. So imagine how much time he has if he predicts even later, 2 or 3 rotations before then ball drops. It is useless do design cards for that since nobody will use it.
We can call it teckniqe or analysis, whatever. Its a calculation of where the profitablest place to read the prognosis when you can expect a large drop zone. It will work on all kind of wheels, but will of course be weakened as the wheels get more diffycult.
The cards are made for the training wheel that he is using, obviously they probably needs adjusting on wheels with a different scatter and decelleration, but i think most people won`t use the cards at all when they get more experienced, but you have to remember that someone who is just starting out, is NOT experienced. So the card is an okay reminder when one is standing in front of the kitchen table, TV or computer to the left, trying to predict the numbers and also place them on the homemade felt placed on the table before a possible NMB. (Preparing to learn sector betting without the dealers help)
But i do understand why he is using an easy wheel for learning. If he had used a semi tiltet Cammegh, no beginner would ever be able to even understand what VB was all about because there would be way too many spins that came out different than what they were supposed to.
If i were him, i would have made a Part 1 and a Part 2 in the same package where part 2 was a Cammegh and where he started a brand new session, taking it spin by spin telling the audience how he was building up the most profitable reading spot as the spins developed. Basicly, as you would do it when you entered a total unknown casino and noticed that you had a wheel where 1 diamond practicly got no hits at all, and you at firrst categorized it as a 3 pin table, maybe upgrading it to a 2.5 pin table because 1 of the pins maybe only got 10% of strikes and the remaining 90% were on 2 other pins. That would be a typical casino session.