yous is 18 years old from the uk i saw and talk to him today on web cam. jafco has nothing to do with mark howe i have both of howes computers and have talk to him and jafco before i bought ffa they are 2 differant people. you dont know what you are talking about.
Well maybe you are both from the MH camp - both registered at about the same time a few weeks ago.
Pat Forester on the back and promote a MH product at the same time!
I just had a brief look at his site.
You can see he is using an asortment of wheels just like the ones MH has.
Even that crappy monte carlo one is there in a pic.
Also why the silent movie?
Obviously his voice is recognisable and he cannot give the game away!
haha arnold man! ur just funny me and jaybird are both MH? forester knows we are not MH, and so does every1 else, forester himself knows im not like that or i have got nothing to do with mark howe, if u realli want ill post my email in which i sent my driving license to MH, and he never replied.
Jafco is not MH. He is so far not known on the net. I got a real sensitive writing style detector and john is NOT mh and if he is, i will eat my old hat if i can find it. I have briefly corresponded with him regarding playable wheels in the London area as im going there in June and July. All booked.
I did say associates.
Even MH could find one friend or relative to do his dirty work especially where money is concerned.
Genuinewinner was even convinced it was MH at first and hasn’t completely ruled it out.
Another point, together with his assortment of wheels plus that crappy monte carlo one, he is quoting to have the smallest ear piece available.
That was another MH baby!
Arnold what if i say that you are mark howe and u dont like competetitors and that is why you are doing all this to make jafco and his users look bad? now ofcourse as soon as you read this you’ll have a laugh. and that was the same for me, when u called me mark howe, now the funny thing is that before you called mark howe, then his associate, and when i proved that im anti-mark howe, you made me an associate of mark howe under a different name, so i mean, that shows that u arnt lookin for reality but ways to twist facts, and u talk bout genuine winner? i have genuine winner and i wish i had paid 2500 USD to keep stefano away from me, instead of paying all that and dealing with him as well. anyways, i have my point, good luck to u,
Peace out.
I know jafco personally and has witnessed his skill. He is one in a million. I work as a dealer and I have known him for a while. He is a credit to professional play. I copied my section spinning technique from him i do not know if he knows.
…i do not know if he knows…
Classic 
[quote=“arnold, post:28, topic:303”]…i do not know if he knows…
Classic :D[/quote]
do not get me wrong i did not mean that in a negative way. He has given me loads of tips and advice that he thought i would not apply and i learned a little faster than he expected. That’s what i meant.
No worries, just thought it was funny that you had one over on him
Yous,
I will have to disappoint you
Vibe Jefcos roulette system
It is as a guide for idiots. Well prepared as a document and explained but it is more as for retarded person entertaining himself?
2,3,to 4 rotations to the end and estimation when to predict is not the only problem.
No, the system is not a scam , but it doesn’t worth much, it may be good for someone who wants to start somewhere. It is well prepared document but the guy is missing logic, and practicability. Using cards is really for retarded, it can be done automatically.
What he calls 2 or 3 pin games it is not his system and as he calls it his system third dimension. It has nothing to do with his system it is happening with every system under particular conditions. If you look video FFA on tilt I was explaining it.
I think he is selling it for few hundred dollars, and by my opinion even old Laurence’s Scotts material would be much better option. I said OLD.
At GG I was involved in one discussion where someone was promoting jefcos system. After reading material most what upsets me was that same person claimed that jefco teaches you how to measure rotor and Laurence doesn’t. Well I thought he teaches you how to get extreme precision as some VB players claim to have, but I did not find anything as that. Just a basic.
Estimating particular ball revolution on his wheel where the ball decelerates (measured by FFA) 330 ms is much easier compared to real casino conditions. Where it could be almost 3 times less (120ms).
To anybody who played visual balistic, all what he wrote in his documents can be explained in 3 lines.
1.Time the rotor,
2.Adjust
3.Estimare ball revolution
And he will do the job much faster and more precised then if he was using cards.
[quote=“Forester, post:31, topic:303”]Yous,
I will have to disappoint you
Vibe Jefcos roulette system
It is as a guide for idiots. Well prepared as a document and explained but it is more as for retarded person entertaining himself?
2,3,to 4 rotations to the end and estimation when to predict is not the only problem.
No, the system is not a scam , but it doesn’t worth much, it may be good for someone who wants to start somewhere. It is well prepared document but the guy is missing logic, and practicability. Using cards is really for retarded, it can be done automatically.
What he calls 2 or 3 pin games it is not his system and as he calls it his system third dimension. It has nothing to do with his system it is happening with every system under particular conditions. If you look video FFA on tilt I was explaining it.
I think he is selling it for few hundred dollars, and by my opinion even old Laurence’s Scotts material would be much better option. I said OLD.
At GG I was involved in one discussion where someone was promoting jefcos system. After reading material most what upsets me was that same person claimed that jefco teaches you how to measure rotor and Laurence doesn’t. Well I thought he teaches you how to get extreme precision as some VB players claim to have, but I did not find anything as that. Just a basic.
Estimating particular ball revolution on his wheel where the ball decelerates (measured by FFA) 330 ms is much easier compared to real casino conditions. Where it could be almost 3 times less (120ms).
To anybody who played visual balistic, all what he wrote in his documents can be explained in 3 lines.
1.Time the rotor,
2.Adjust
3.Estimare ball revolution
And he will do the job much faster and more precised then if he was using cards.[/quote]
The system is only £200 pounds so of course there will be limitations.
He is not going to share his entire 25 year experience of winning at roulette for £200. However, his customer service is second to none and you can make thousands with his technique so it is good value for money.
I think all roulette pros like jafco, forrester, kelly and laurance scott need to come together and support each other.
I work for a casino and i know what length these horrible casino’s will go to stop the professional. Luckily the casino’s do not think it’s possible to make decent money from VB.
Therefore, they have no reason to come out with countermeasures.
even though i am a dealer I SUPPORT ALL PROFESSIONALS THAT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND WORK AT THEIR SKILL. PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS NEED TO COME TOGETHER LIKE HOW THE CARD COUNTERS AND POKER PLAYERS DO. I WANT TO SEE VB AND PROFESSIONAL PLAY PROGRESS.
Where are you dealing esspri ? I like your view at AP`s, if that goes for the entire staff i might come see you guys one day :-).
So what about his vibrator and watch?
Do you have them Forester?
Are they not what all his system is mainly based?
I agree with esspri, instead of fighting forester, jafco, kelly and laurence scott should come together, cause there have been too many years of fighting, way too many. i personally respect forester, jafco and kelly because these 3 professionalls, are actually Professional “PLAYERS” cause they actually go out and win money.
For obvious reasons I have to be very careful when giving details over the internet about
mentioning who i work for. However, i deal in the UK. And have a few years experience.
So what about his vibrator and watch?Do you have them Forester?
Are they not what all his system is mainly based?
Well, you might be right since jefco’s roulette system I wouldn’t define as a system at all.
It is only explanation of tilted wheel effect.
If we accept tilted wheel theory as valid, and assume that we will have increased percentage of ball falling at one particular diamond.
System might be a regularly interacting or interdependent group of processes forming a unified whole.
We need to combine in to system at least two processes to take advantage of tilted wheel effect.
One is to identify particular ball revolution during the spin.
Reason for that is that after identifying it we can say from that particular revolution the ball may make additional 4 revolutions until it drops. It also means that the ball will travel (close to) same time in seconds until it drops.
Jefco’s system doesn’t offer any process how to do it except that after some time if you practice and if wheel has high ball deceleration you might estimate it correctly.
If you look Laurance’s Scott system he offers you “cross pattern” or “sound” as a method how to do it, same as UWE system. My VB2 doesn’t identify particular ball revolution, it can predict in any, but result is same as if you’ve done it in your targeted ball revolution.
The other needed process is adjustment for various rotor speeds.
If we identify that at particular moment in spin we are let’s say 4 ball revolutions until the ball drops which may be let’s say 6 seconds of time. If rotor is with different speed it would travel different distance in that particular time, so we need to have adjustment for that. Jefco’s system offers that on very basic way (already most common way) and even complicates it with cards that player needs to look for each particular scenario.
So nothing new, nothing better and nothing unknown is explained. However it is explained on fine way for reader to understand tilted wheel principles.
Jefco, as well as some other roulette sellers in his document refers to article of huge roulette win by Ritz Team (2 Serbian guys from Croatia). I find it cheap and annoying.
Yours,
I never fight with Kelly and Laurence neither do they.
***The system is only £200 pounds so of course there will be limitations. He is not going to share his entire 25 year experience of winning at roulette for £200. However, his customer service is second to none and you can make thousands with his technique so it is good value for money.
I do nto know if £200 is cheap it is $400AUD. I can’t argue with you if you claim that he has more knowledge then what is written in his document.
you can make thousands with his technique
I don’t think that I would make anything in my local casino with it, even I believe that I have extra then ordinary skill to identify particular revolution with just observing.
Since FF can teach me that and I have it for years. Even my VB requires from me to estimate particular ball revolution. However with my system if I miss it the system adjusts for my mistake and produces same valid result.
But yes, perhaps at some other place and better conditions it might be possible to easier win with what Jefco teaches.
Have you got a link to your VB2?
Thanks
Forester, i never said that you fight, i was just saying about all the stuff thats goes around on different forums, isnt the best of the best. so yeah 
Arnold,
You can find link at bottom of this page.
http://www.myrulet.com/index.php/myrulet-visual-prediction.html
It might be hard to understand.
I provide free basic idea how roulette visual prediction is done my way and some support in dedicated forum section.
Up to now only few people took time and effort to understand it, but when they did they got pleasantly surprised.
At some reasonable conditions you can have equally accurate prediction in any 5 to 15 rotations to the end. Since even ordinary person can estimate ball rotation within 2-3 rotations of accuracy errors are reduced which gives him opportunity to play wider conditions