Glory to Forester!


#1

The 3 day battle let me witnesses the power of FFA. Out of 323 games played, I got 105 games right. During the 3 day battle, I saw people around me kept on inserting money into the electronic-roulette, thousands and thousands of dollars kept pouring into the machine. I feel so glad that I was able to hold my ground :stuck_out_tongue: and turn the table around. I guess this is really the first time I feel so confident against the “giant”. Big Thanks to Forester for coming up such a great device! I just have a very small suggestion, and that will be a wireless switch. I wonder if Forester will be kind enough to make a wireless switch.

Well, first I watch for about 26 games played. I realized that only ACW has a dominating diamond. So I decided to play only on ACW. Then I do the setting for ACW for 15 rounds. After that I played the FFA for 78 games without betting. The result was good, I can see that I can make some money on it. So let’s play for real.

I started very small. With only $10 a chip, but I placed 10 chips each round, starting from the predicted number of FFA and down 10 chips ACW direction at the betting track(I mention before about this e-roulette, you will know what I mean when you see the picture capture below). Well, the rest is “according to Plan”.

Still, about the FFA, I still have not come to the auto-play thing. But I am eager to learn more. Tell me if I missed anything. By the way, is the FFA really have blue tooth? I guess I have to find a blue tooth ear-piece, I can’t find in here, I am surprised :o

Glory to Forester! Cheer!





#2

Thanks,
You should really try everything at home before then you use it in casino.
The FFA is remote switch by itself if you playing alone.
Use FFA in pocket or foot, switch on the FFA BT and it pair with BT receiver you have, which will send signal to the earpiece.
I don’t supply any more BT receivers , or earpieces because there is no point, before I use to buy them from manufacture to get lower price. But now you can buy it cheap on ebay. Earpiece with induction loop ~$60 and BT receiver for $20.

Auto play you should read instructions and try it at home.

When you get FF first thing is to set on one spin, save it.
Then play.
Try full rotor clocking,
½ rotor clocking
Adjust offset then predict to see change
Change offset again to see change
Exit play mode to main menu without switching it off,
Then you can activate auto charts, then after prediction add data to chart and see if it changed.
(Still predicting same spin).

When you are confident you can set with more spins on 2 or 3 DD.
Then you can try predicting different spins.
Of course you should know how to change form European wheel to American, or how to make system talks neighboring numbers.


#3

Sorry, I didn’t use BT before. Can I just buy a earpiece on ebay for it to work? Or I have to buy both the Earpiece with induction loop? (by the way, what’s the induction loop for?)

Yes, I will be reading the manual again to utilize the FFA to the fullest.

Oh, by the way, a question regarding the tilt “1 mode”. During play, when the FFA ask me for “clock” or “anti-clock”, when I press for anti-clock 2 times accidentally, while I was waiting for the rotor to go for the DD, the FFA suddenly keeps saying “Shift (something like that) position 0 abort-age 0” for 3 time, then it say “Shift position 0 abort-age 10” before it return to normal and ask me for “clock” or “anti-clock”. What is the meaning/use for this?


#4

HEHEHE

“Shift (something like that) position 0 abort-age 0” it is funny, I know for you is hard to understand English.

If you select rotor direction and press switch once as you start rotor clocking but you leave it for 16 seconds.
The system gives information about auto chart play.

Something like this.

Chart , Position, 3, Advantage, 5

With meaning
Data from chart , position 3, 3 means 3x3=9 pockets from row prediction the ball mostly stops with calculated advantage of 5 which means 50%.

In your case most likely you have zero since you were not adding data to charts.

When system says Chart it is a bit hard to understand, but once you understand what is what that’s not a problem.

"
When you are ready to clock rotor start clocking and wait 16 seconds. For FF it is an error since it can’t clock longer rotor time then 16 seconds. If such error occurs the system starts zapping data from the charts. Order of information is as follows.
Chart 0. ball direction CW, fast rotor Chart 1. ball direction CW, slow rotor Chart 2. ball direction ACW, fast rotor Chart 3. ball direction ACW, slow rotor The system first tells the best position to play from the first chart, it is position from row prediction where Auto-play would be set.

Next after 2 seconds from that chart the system calculates your advantage for 9 pockets the best sector to play. If chart is empty or if the advantage is under 5% the system will say zero.If the advantage is 40% the system will tell “4”. Max advantage is 100% for higher than that they system still tell you “10”. Wait for all information to finish and the system takes you back to start of selecting ball direction or press and hold the switch pressed for few seconds to cancel it.
"

Be careful to not press and hold switch pressed when selecting ball direction and the system starts counting 1,2,3,4…, It will readjust offset.


#5

LOL…English is definitely not my first Language, but “chart” mis-heard as “shift” :stuck_out_tongue: I guess this is the first time.

Well, I have read a few time of the manual on auto-play. But I am still not fully understand about it(English is not my first language :stuck_out_tongue: ). Here are the questions:

  1. Before going into Auto-play, I need to save individual offset using Save 2 of the “tilt 1 mode”? When there is enough data, I enable Autoplay.

  2. Is Auto-play operate just like in “tilt 1 mode”? Where I first clock rotor, then 2 spins 1 click(switch). Then wait for prediction number? Can I save anything after the “B” sound?

  3. So the “Chart , Position, 3, Advantage, 5” actually tells me about the percentage of winning? So that it enable me to pick the best spin to play?

Well, there was a moment during the last battle, there was a 14 straight losses, which make me a bit nervous, but I keep it to the end, and the FFA didn’t failed me. (I remember there is one time where I clocked too long, I was so afraid that I readjust the offset…but I didn’t even set offset in the first place, so no afraid :stuck_out_tongue: )


#6
1) Before going into Auto-play, I need to save individual offset using Save 2 of the "tilt 1 mode"? When there is enough data, I enable Autoplay.

NO, there is no more individual offset, Save 1 and Save 2 are the same. To save clocked ball sample you can use Save 1 or Save 2 it will save on same way. So why Save 2 exists if it is same as Save 1?
Save 2 was used for individual offset but it is not used any more but in menu is still there so that menu has 3 options making it different form ball direction menu which has 2 options (it is important on FFZ and FFV since they do not talk and without 3 options it will look same as ball direction menu which could make a player to make a mistake. Perhaps on FFA it can be removed but I left it there believing one day it may be used for something.

How you add data to charts?
After play the system predicts then it beeps when the ball drops then it waits until you press the switch to go for a new spin. But instead of just clicking the switch if you press it and hold it pressed the FFA will start saying, 0,1,2,3,4….11. If the ball stopped about 12 pockets from predicted number you release the switch after system says 4. (1/3=4) Each number the system says represents 3 pockets.
By doing so the system will add to the chart that the ball stopped 12 pockets form predicted number.
Now if you go to menu and select menu 2.1 you will activate the auto play.
Go back to play and predict same spin, now whatever the system was predicting earlier now it will predict with additional 12 pockets.

When you play you can keep adding data to charts for example ,1,5,3,4,5,6,11,4,2,3,7,5,4….
After some time you can activate auto play and the system will define what is the best prediction to play based on data from the chart.

2) Is Auto-play operate just like in "tilt 1 mode"? Where I first clock rotor, then 2 spins 1 click(switch). Then wait for prediction number? Can I save anything after the "B" sound?

Yes you press and hold the switch pressed as explained in point 1.

3) So the "Chart , Position, 3, Advantage, 5" actually tells me about the percentage of winning? So that it enable me to pick the best spin to play?

Position 3 means 3 x 3 pockets = 9 pockets. The best is to play 9 pockets from what system was predicting without any adjustments. Based on data charts if you play 9 pockets you will have 50% advantage. Knowing that you can activate auto play and the system will tune to 9 pockets. Alternatively you can leave auto play off and adjust manual offset to 9 pockets.

Well, there was a moment during the last battle, there was a 14 straight losses, which make me a bit nervous, but I keep it to the end, and the FFA didn’t failed me. (I remember there is one time where I clocked too long, I was so afraid that I readjust the offset…but I didn’t even set offset in the first place, so no afraid )

The FF trying to predict the best it cans point where the ball drops on the rotor. But even that may be few pockets wrong. For example the system may predict number and the ball drops mostly 3 pockets earlier. On top of that the ball may most likely jump X amount of pockets , let’s say 9. If you play without any adjustment most likely you may not have an advantage. Based on example if you adjust manual offset to 3 + 9 =12 you will have the highest advantage. If you were adding data to charts the system will come up with same result in the chart so if you activate auto play the system will automatically adjust to 12 pockets.


#7

All kind of people buy FF. Some get it read instructions without much understanding run to casino predict and play wherever system predicts. Sometimes it works since many times there is an advantage on position where the ball drops. But the player needs to play where the best advantage is. To know that he needs to get some data and set the FF with autoplay or manual offset for that position.

As you’ve mentioned 14 straight losses, easily can happen even if the system is perfectly set. Simply ball jumps differently, or sometimes the ball doesn’t drop as expected. For that reason decent amount of data to know the wheel is required. For example you could play these 14 spins save data to autoplay charts and set auto play. Of course autoplay may not be set for the best since 14 spins were not the best.

It may set system for 24 pockets instead for 6 (if 6 is where the best advantage is). Now it will take many more spins until charts change and point to 6. Even if you take 50 spins data when you play after few times playing same wheel you can get good idea what is really happening on that wheel. Once 50 spins may point 24, next day 6, next day 9, next day 5 next day 6 next day 21, next day 6…

So if just getting information from the system each time you get an idea that 6 might be the best position to play.


#8

ok, got it now. :wink:

I tried the autoplay just now, and immediately there are questions:

  1. The offset
    Let say the ball is spinning in CW direction (rotor in ACW), FFA predict number “0”, if the ball finally rest at “18”. So when I add this data to chart, which direction should go? Should I add this as 3 (3x 3pocket)? Or add this as 10?

  2. Where should I start counting?
    After the prediction number and the “beep” sound, I pressed and hold, the FFA start counting 0,1,2,3,4…10,11. Each number represent 3 pockets.

Let say FFA predict number “0”, if the ball finally rest at “18”.
-Should I start from 0,26,3 (as 0), 35,12,28 (as 1), 7,29,18(as 2)?
-Or I should I start from 32,0,26 (as 0), 3,35,12 (as 1), 28,7,29 (as 2), 18,22,9 (as 3)?

  1. Am I correct that :When I activate auto-play, I simply go to “tilt 1” mode and play, the FFA will then make prediction with the offset calculated from the chart? If yes, can I continue to add in the offset in this Auto-play mode?

  2. The diamonds:
    When the ball first hit the horizontal diamond, then hit the vertical diamond, which diamond do I take for the record? (I usually take the first diamond)

  3. If the ball is bouncing too chaotic, such as hitting the diamond, then fall to the rotor, then bounce up and hit another diamond, is it good to discard this off the record?

  4. European/American wheel & neighbouring number?
    I search throughout the manual, there wasn’t a place about this, can u tell me more? Forester


#9

The two and a half day trip to casino was a disaster! The auto play almost killed me, I think I still have some problem with it.

First I “set” (reset) the FFA, clearing all data, and clock the dropping point. Then I play “tilt 1”, where I make off set to it every spin(since the last post, Question 2 has not been answered, I assumed this is the first area I make mistake). After 25 games, I enable auto-play. After that I still add offset after every spin(I think this is the second mistake I made), all thing seems to went well, until this point, I have not commit any cash to it. That went for another 25 games, the result was good for the first 19 games, I assume it is really good, then I commit in cash and that was the time it went completely wrong.

Straight loss 20 games, I had to cut the losses, which already took away half of my cash. I have to withdraw myself from the battlefield.

The next day, I went for the revenge. I do a reset “set”, clearing all data, and clock the dropping point. Then I play “tilt 1”, after ensure of some wins. I commit in cash, this time the game went well, I did not dare to enable the auto-play this time. I have to return here to learn more about it. I made some win, then I decided to increase the bet double. Then things went wrong again, and I do not know why. I did everything as before, nothing special, and it was a straight 20 loss, I guess I was a bit desperate, I draw up the remaining reserve and put up another fight but the table didn’t turn this time…

I don’t blame anyone, I guess I am still green but are damn determined to triumph over this wheel.

Here are a few more questions(continued from the last time):

  1. When in auto-play mode, when I add in offset, is the FFA going to add in offset right on top of the previous offset?

  2. How can I clear all offset(but keep the dropping point of the “set”)? Since I sometime miss save the offset, and I was afraid of ruining the entire chart.

I will be into the battlefield this week end again, please help, Forester.


#10

Im just curios… can you predict that wheel without ff? Is it titled? Do you play rotor speeds when prediction is possible? Did you actually studied the wheel? Are you shure it is your wheel? When your prediction is incorrect, for how many pokets and why? If you cant answer for one or any of these qwestions, dont go to the casino, get some spins of your own and practice. Make all the tests sudjested, like ckliking presision test, 4 diamond test… pay attention to the conditions, cos they are everything!!! Let autoplay in peace, if the scatter padron is anpredictible… Remember, ff is just a tool for professionals, who anderstand wheel and anderstand what they are doing. I open you little sicret… lm the autoplay of my ffv ;D and lm unable make it other way, so l dont use autoplay at all. Besides looking to the wheel, you have to listen it as well, ff dont gonna do your work, it just makes calculations, based on what you put inside. Make shure you play same dealler as well, chenge of dealler is changing of conditions, just look, listen, analise… dont just stay there and click. … my opinion…good luck.


#11

[quote=“majest08, post:8, topic:1022”]1) The offset
Let say the ball is spinning in CW direction (rotor in ACW), FFA predict number “0”, if the ball finally rest at “18”. So when I add this data to chart, which direction should go? Should I add this as 3 (3x 3pocket)? Or add this as 10?[/quote]

So the prediction is 0 and the ball stops at 18 which is 3/4 of rotation form zero. The easiest to look at it is as clock with 12 hours.
If the ball hits at 0 and then that is s 12 o’clock , 18 is as 9 o’clock on the clock . So for the auto-play you need to add 9 which makes 9 x 3 = 27 pockets.

2) Where should I start counting? After the prediction number and the "beep" sound, I pressed and hold, the FFA start counting 0,1,2,3,4.....10,11. Each number represent 3 pockets.

Let say FFA predict number “0”, if the ball finally rest at “18”.
-Should I start from 0,26,3 (as 0), 35,12,28 (as 1), 7,29,18(as 2)?
-Or I should I start from 32,0,26 (as 0), 3,35,12 (as 1), 28,7,29 (as 2), 18,22,9 (as 3)?

NO NO, you always adding in ball direction so 26,0,32 would be 0; 15,19,4 would be 1; 21, 2 25 would be 2 …etc.

If the ball was going in ACW than 12 would be 1; 29 2 etc.

As i explained just look from predicted number as clock hours. If prediction was 34 and the ball stops at 10 it is like 3 o’clock form number 34. For ACW you look at it as reversed clock. If prediction is 34 and the ball stops at 10 in ACW direction it is as 9 o clock.

3) Am I correct that :When I activate auto-play, I simply go to "tilt 1" mode and play, the FFA will then make prediction with the offset calculated from the chart? If yes, can I continue to add in the offset in this Auto-play mode?

Yes you can add more data to charts while you playing.

  1. The diamonds:
    When the ball first hit the horizontal diamond, then hit the vertical diamond, which diamond do I take for the record? (I usually take the first diamond)

Record for what?

5) If the ball is bouncing too chaotic, such as hitting the diamond, then fall to the rotor, then bounce up and hit another diamond, is it good to discard this off the record?

Well that is the spin as well. For truth advantage it needs to be added. But i do not add them, because I add spins which i believe the ball mostly jumps.

6) European/American wheel & neighbouring number? I search throughout the manual, there wasn't a place about this, can u tell me more? Forester

Press and hold clocking switch, then power on the system, still keep the switch pressed.
The system will tell you European , American , release the switch after American and it will predict with American order of numbers.
It also tells you 1,3,5 you repeat prosess to select how many numbers system will tell you after prediction. Once you set it it remembers it.
So if you set American
Then repeat process and set 3 ,
Until you change it on same way the system will be predicting American wheel with 3 numbers.


#12
7) When in auto-play mode, when I add in offset, is the FFA going to add in offset right on top of the previous offset?

First you need to stop using wrong expressions.
Offset or what we more precisely call manual offset is something different form adding data to auto-charts.
When is time to select clock or anti-clock ball direction if you press and hold the switch pressed you changing manual offset. If you were doing that all the time that is very bad.

You can for example come to the wheel
Play few spins get feeling , and if you have understanding how the ball jumps you can adjust manual offset to let say 10 pockets. Now when you play whatever system was predicting it will be predicted with + 10 pockets.

While you playing you can add data to charts. Let’s say 30 spins.
Now you can simulate rotor error, when is time for rotor clocking start clocking rotor with first click but do not clock rotor, instead wait 16 sec. The system will tell you based on data where is the best to play and what is calculated advantage.

For example it may say for slow rotor CW 5, 6, which means 5x3=12 pockets and advantage is 6x10%=60. Your manual offset was 10 , auto-play suggests 15 pockets. It is up to you what you going to do .

You can do nothing or you can change manual offset to 15 to be as auto charts, or perhaps 12,or 13, or 14, somewhere in middle. Or you can activate auto play. I personally don’t trust auto play, because in usual there is never enough data to be sure. But I do monitor what auto charts say and compare it to my manual offset I use.

8) How can I clear all offset(but keep the dropping point of the "set")? Since I sometime miss save the offset, and I was afraid of ruining the entire chart.

If auto-play is enabled and you want to disable it then disable it and the offset will go back to manual offset. If you didn’t change manual offset before it would be 0. If it was adjusted to something before, you can change it back to zero.
You can not clear auto-play charts without taking new samples. You can only enable or disable them.


DO NOT EXPERIMENT IN CASINO UNTIL YOU ARE CONFIDENT WITH SAME ON YOUR WHEEL OR DVD SPINS.


#13

Thanks, it is the best answer for him.


#14

After so many time you helped me… Always wellcome!!


#15

Yes, but not all the time right, I got 50% of the wheel. Since I was playing with a electronic wheel, the ball speed and the rotor speed is relatively constant. In fact, there are only 3 types of ball speed and 3 types of rotor speed, and they have different combination to give so much different result. Still, these factor are rather constant.

Well, I know what you mean, I still have to sharpen up my skill. I was thinking the FFA will do wonders, and it does! Although sometime it failed me, but I still have faith in it. If I have one week free, I would use the FFA to play the e-wheel and see the overall result, I guess I was placing the bet at the wrong time, but I believed that it will overall make a win!

The main reason why I rely on the FFA so much is because I was battling the wheel for the whole day and tiredness can easily wear me off. When I got some money, I am going to buy a wheel and study it :wink:


#16

Ah, that clear most of my doubt.

[quote=“forester, post:11, topic:1022”]4) The diamonds:
When the ball first hit the horizontal diamond, then hit the vertical diamond, which diamond do I take for the record? (I usually take the first diamond)

Record for what?[/quote]

I am referring to the “set” to record the dropping point against which diamond.

[quote=“forester, post:12, topic:1022”]First you need to stop using wrong expressions.
Offset or what we more precisely call manual offset is something different form adding data to auto-charts.
When is time to select clock or anti-clock ball direction if you press and hold the switch pressed you changing manual offset. If you were doing that all the time that is very bad.[/quote]

Forgive me on this, I am a bit obsess on “offset”. Yes, I am referring to the adding data.

Oh, that’s a surprise! I was thinking you too will rely on it.

Now I get it, the auto-chart is used for reference, I am the one who is the auto-play ;D ;D ;D


#17

As l understood, there is 3 main rotor speeds and 3 different ball speeds… they should overlap somethere… just track a wheel more a bit, cos probably you could take a relis number and make your bets :D… Check it out. In fact, take a number under same reference point, when the ball relised, and relate it to the rotor speed and outcome… take 100 spins like that and see if there is corelation. Pay attention to diamond hitts and kind of orbit ball makes, or use just dd hitts for your stats. Probably you dont need ff or vb to this wheel, if conditions are the way you describe. Good luck


#18

Yes, I am going in this weekend. This e-wheel sometime perform just as predicted, where the ball hit right on the DD and instantly fall to the rotor. Sometime, it didn’t hit the DD when it fall, and instead it make a few rounds on the sloop area (the area between the rim and the rotor) and it hits on random diamond.

This is what I plan, I am going to record for 100 games. I am going to see which ball speed and which rotor speed combination made the best play (well within the prediction). After that, place bets only on that combination.

Well, I am looking forward to see the result :wink:


#19

just note number under the diamond[always the same],when the ball pass there right after relis. Then note rotor speed, and final number. then consider relis number as zero, and mark on card[ casino card, or pies of paper] distance between relis number and final number. lf there is 3 different rotor speeds, do it separately for every rotor speed. Dont forget to separate directions off ball. You gonna end with 6 different cards[ cw,ccw for every rotor speed]. Mark relative distance[ between relis and outcom numbers] with the point. Then put all 6 cards side by side, and see wich area has more points. When you can play the same area everytime,after relis point is taken. Good lack


#20

I will take note of that, I will tell you what I have next week. :wink: