Different existing ways to estimate the ball

The same thing happens with the crossovers, only its the zero passings that forms the beep.
I will corect abit - because readers can confused that Kelly say zero. Really when we look for crossover we not look that will be the same place but we look that will see the same numbers under ball when we feel beep - say first beep is when under ball is 0, then say second beep we see 17 then on third beep we see 36 on fourth beep 30 on fifth beep again 30 - here is moment which we aim.

Yes thats when using the metronome. I referred to Scott because the principle is the same. One see the same thing as we do do with the metronome, except that at Scotts cross overs we will be looking at the zeros because they are green and stand out compared to the rest of the numbers. In both cases the ball should run until it passes the reference diamond before reading the reference number. That way we are insured that the ball runs equally lenght in each spin after reading the reference number. On a tiltet wheel of course. And still paying attention to that the ball might travel the same lenght but not using the same time although its only marginal differences but i think that has been discussed down below the floor boards.

Nicoramone,

You would be better off applying a time to the spinning ball, rather than looking for crossovers.

Thank you very much to all for your answers.I am musician and in this moment i am practicing with a metronome , what time didi you recommend me ? 1 second for the beep? thanks,nico

Are you related to the Ramones ?

About 1 - 1,2 is probably going to work. In the end it depends on when no more bets are called. You might need to go to 0,9 sec if there is early NMB.

Thank you kelly i am a fan of the best band of all times " the ramones"

Nicoramone,

Regarding the metronome practice: Practice clapping your tongue inside your mouth, like a child does when imitating the sound that a horse makes when walking, but with your mouth closed as you count to yourself. You will find that this is a very accurate way of keeping the beat for timing purposes. Try practicing by making four cluck beats per second.

-Snowman

Ok, yes this post sounds kind of funny. :smiley:
But it works.

Hello gents

I am still in category of newbies, because I am still finding my best combo to work.
But speaking of using metronome to determine ball revolution as mr. Kelly explained was my favorite way but now I am thinking it isnt the safest concernig to avoid suspect what you do. It always seemed to me it is a bit too easy to see what one does if casino stuff suspects, and two weeks ago on my “training” session I got confirmation.

I was sitting at the table and playing some dummy bets on outside EC-s and making at first sight some complicated patterns and tables seeming like palying some EC system. I also wasnt writting anything during the time ball was spinning, but only when number arrived, and even to see spreadsheet you couldnt tell at all I was collecting rottor speed and other refferences, becasue I realy coded it to look just as playing patterns.

But some elder croupier come and after few spins i started to got very “looking through” sight from him. Then I decided to pass few spins, but still looking at the wheel without measuring, very calmed and not giving concern that look of his worried me… And just when I observed one spin again he smiled and said to me: “Son, dont you wory your will get dizziness from watching that ball all the time”? I answered: “I cant help myslef, I realy enjoy it, I find it interesting and somehow magical”. He said to me: “I understand how you are finding (seeing) it… But at the same time you are messing with very skilled wizzards here. Be careful if you want to look at the wheel that way… Some people here could worry for your dizziness if you would start to take some money (with lot of laugh saying that)… Take a drink, it is free and it could do you good. My advice.” --I walked straight away…

So what do you say more experienced players… Is anyone had some similar experience?

I am thinking to change a way how to find revolution… With this you realy have to move your head and eyes around as ball is travelling, no matter how much you are trying to do it “gently”…

What could you advise here?

Cheers

Drazen

JAJA okey snowman thank you i am trying it too.

[quote=“Tiro, post:68, topic:870”]So what do you say more experienced players… Is anyone had some similar experience?

I am thinking to change a way how to find revolution… With this you realy have to move your head and eyes around as ball is travelling, no matter how much you are trying to do it “gently”…

What could you advise here?

Cheers

Drazen[/quote]

Well you could sit at the end of the table(next to the dealer) when you start to play that way your head will be at that direction all the time so it wont look suspicious, but you will only be able to see half the rotor, but it wont be a problem once you have all your data collected about the wheel
Your thumper wont beat at the upper half all the time but skip the ones that dont i guess
Another thing there was no need to look too long in the spin i guess , you dont need to because your not playing, your taking data…tilt,scatter etc. of course you need to look for the correct rev. but dont do it every spin if theres a dealer like the one mentioned above then look at every third spin the whole time i dont know or maybe take a break and go to the bar for a drink if you feel theres any heat
Maybe dont write anything after every spin and wait for about 5-10 then take out your mobile and write it in a message like your sending an sms
After getting enough data i guess you will know and get a feel when the 1 s rotation will occur so you wont end up looking too long at the wheel from the very start of the spin when its thrown but wait for a few seconds and then

I really dont know maybe someone else has a better idea and more experience i personally dont have that much to be giving any advice

Still id ask the dealer ‘‘oh sorry and who are you , a croupier ? - oh a croupier - Piss off and spin the ball’’ :slight_smile: or maybe when a pitboss passes by id complain about the guy and tell him what he said…

Maybe he was bluffing or teasing you, you never know…theres still that option

It may be just me and only me in the forum but hey who knows maybe you could have lost in the end, and nobody is gonna hurt you or be suspicious for a couple hundred bucks
Now if there were thousands … then id pray to god to GET BEAT UP EVERY TIME ID PLAY :smiley:

Really like whats the deal: If you lose and ask for your money back…they tell you nobody forced you to come and you played and lost, what and now your not supposed to win…?

Yesterday i went to casino,i find two wheels that are beatable, it compensated with the speed, two wheels have two dominant drops,that compesated too each other, the scatter was fine ,most of the time 180°, and i predict all the numbers, but i have not luck, nothing, lol , always one or two pockets of distance from my prediction, i made vis a vis bets,i lost , nothing to do.Maybe i have to estimate other bankroll, i went happy at home without money, but knowing that is beatable the wheel, and i feel good.
I made sections bets of 10 numbers, to cover, my vb bets,trying to follow the dealer signature and maybe 4 or 5 vb bets.
i have understand too, that i have to make another type of bankroll, and another type of game ,maybe a game with less tokens, 3 or 4 with Ds and the rest vis a vis maybe 4-6 to vb, and a big bankroll to play without nerves and have a advantage in the long term.I have predicted minimum 15 numbers vis a vis, and always not more of 3 pockets of distance.
And i understand too that maybe requires iron nerves for this situations.I noted too that when there are more people around the table it is extremly difficult, if one is at the end of the table, the best position i think is on middle of the table.I noted too that when more people are around the table it is more tilted.
I have two sensations, one that reconfort me and it is that is no impossible to beat a wheel ,and that finding tilts are not really too strange, and the other sensation is how can i make a good opportunity for this, and how can i transform a bad session into a good one, with less risks.

[quote=“Kelly, post:65, topic:870”]Are you related to the Ramones ?

About 1 - 1,2 is probably going to work. In the end it depends on when no more bets are called. You might need to go to 0,9 sec if there is early NMB.[/quote]

Hi Kelly, hope you are well, please don’t whistle-blow the secrets.

I never had in 2 years of looking to the running ball.

maybe the casinos in Jugoslavia are “Poor houses” and the pits are very afraid of advantageplayers
Don’t get paranoia.
Change the pockets of your trousers often where you have the metronome.
Don’t look so intensiv to the ball, more a glimpse. Look in between to the table or where the numbers are shown.

To look where the last numbers are shown and make comments to that is the best alibi that you are
a normal roulette idiot.
When Zero comes I always shout “Heureka”

Elhombre