# Different existing ways to estimate the ball

Different existing ways to estimate the ball.

This topic is suppose to be a reference topic about known and unknown ways to estimate the ball.
I will list does ways i know and that is a total of eight different ways.

Not sure i will get permission to write about them all - but i will ask does persons it involves for permission.
Note this is not suppose to be complete playing models - just to show different existing ways to estimate.

This topic will have a lock until i am done writing - then i will open it for discussion.

Lucky,

I like this basic method. It is easy to learn and works on all types of wheels and regardless of the rotor speed. If you stick with one timing for the ball revolution - like say 1 sec, you can develop a 6th sense for when the timing/ ball crossover is about to occur. After a couple of spins in a strange casino you can start noting ref #s and making adjustments.

Of course like any VB, you need “fairly” consistent rotor speed and DD strike.

I know English isn’t your first language Lucky, but DAMN! I fell off the chair with that one!

I know English isn’t your first language Lucky, but DAMN! I fell off the chair with that one![/quote]

Me to when you mention it LOL i fix the word i think !!!

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Strobing ball with 1.2 sec timer
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It’s same as explained here:

Roulette ball strobing
http://rouletteplace.com/index.php?topic=1019.msg9042#msg9042

With this method you should not just look closest rotation when the ball matches your reference time. In many occasions it may look for 2-3 rotations that the ball is making same distance. You should look if there is a moment when the distance rapidly changes. On many wheels when the ball is 1.2s the very next rotation it may be slowing down faster making greater difference in pockets which the player can easy spot. Another problem with timer as a strobe is that chasing pattern like that it constantly moves around the wheel, and sometimes it can’t be spotted.

Here is one other moment - when we try to cach ball speed as 1.2 sec we usually are in so called knee point zone, so zone in which occures fast ball slowing down. But problem is that this slowing down not occur instantaneously, but the process takes some time, or in other words a takes certain distance . I am not sure how long is time for it and how long is distance for this proccess, but from mine experience it takes about 3/4 of ball round. So sometimes we can observe smooth deceleration in one round and very fast deceleration in next round, or we can observe smooth deceleration in one and faster deceleration in next two rounds, but not see very sharp deceleration in one round. That fact can create some not very same situations when in one time frame ball pass realiatively more that one round but in next round it pass reliativelly less than full round, but in other spin we can observe that ball in time frame do more next frame do exact round and next one do less. To recognize theese situations is very usefull because more exact left time and left distance is exactly from some point in knee point zone. So if it is located from the end part of one ball round till first part in next round is one but if it is located inside one round is totally diferent situation. So if we look to foresters picture and wait one more vibration we maybe will see it somewhere in pont B or number 10. But other situation will be if say we see point C at number 9 and point D at number 33-16

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Strobing ball with 1.2 sec timer
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It’s same as explained here:

Roulette ball strobing
http://rouletteplace.com/index.php?topic=1019.msg9042#msg9042

With this method you should not just look closest rotation when the ball matches your reference time. In many occasions it may look for 2-3 rotations that the ball is making same distance------.[/quote]

Yes indeed ---------You should look if there is a moment when the distance rapidly changes. On many wheels when thedifference in pockets which the player can ball is 1.25 s = 48 BPM , the very next rotation it may be slowing down faster making greater easy spot. ----------for example a Cammegh combi at my home casino.
It’s about the distance between 2 diamonds ( 8 diamond wheel ) it slows down the next “beep” of the thumber.

2/8 ???

I see so we are done with 1 and now its time for 2 …

Waiting for Scott Vol. I ? crossing patterns ?

IMHO what you don’t know Nr. 9 the ball and Zero encounters ,
By the differences of theese encounters in pockets someone knows where he is
in the coup, the latter the more pockets. Not bad .

E.H.

Waiting for Scott Vol. I ? crossing patterns ?

IMHO what you don’t know Nr. 9 the ball and Zero encounters ,
By the differences of theese encounters in pockets someone knows where he is
in the coup, the latter the more pockets. Not bad .

E.H.[/quote]

Well that sounds it could become 2 out of 9 - so why don’t you describe the method in detail - sure many would like to read and find it interesting.

Waiting for Scott Vol. I ? crossing patterns ?

IMHO what you don’t know Nr. 9 the ball and Zero encounters ,
By the differences of theese encounters in pockets someone knows where he is
in the coup, the latter the more pockets. Not bad .

E.H.[/quote]

Well that sounds it could become 2 out of 9 - so why don’t you describe the method in detail - sure many would like to read and find it interesting.[/quote]

It’s not often you see the OP hijack his own thread.

Waiting for Scott Vol. I ? crossing patterns ?

IMHO what you don’t know Nr. 9 the ball and Zero encounters ,
By the differences of theese encounters in pockets someone knows where he is
in the coup, the latter the more pockets. Not bad .

E.H.[/quote]

Well that sounds it could become 2 out of 9 - so why don’t you describe the method in detail - sure many would like to read and find it interesting.[/quote]

It’s not often you see the OP hijack his own thread.[/quote]

Well if members think i am hijacking my own topic - then it might be no idea continue with this topic.
It might be better to continue this at my own board.

I know English isn’t your first language Lucky, but DAMN! I fell off the chair with that one![/quote]

Buhahaha… ;D

Man,good thing it got quoted and immortalized… ;D

[quote=“lucky_strike, post:1, topic:870”]This topic is suppose to be a reference topic about known and unknown ways to estimate the ball.
I will list does ways i know and that is a total of eight different ways.[/quote]

That was over a week ago and you only posted one way, and then asked Elhombre to post about the crossover method. The rest of us are wondering when you are going to post the other 7. That’s all. No need to take your ball and go home.

On a different note, not directed at anyone as I am sure we have all done it at some point, but is there a reason to post about thumpers and timing devices on the public boards? I mean, I can’t see the benefit to anyone reading about stuff like that. I didn’t find out about them by public posts, I found out from private chats with AP’s. I want to make a VB army as much as the next guy, but I do believe that it is counterproductive to post about certain things publicly. Especially considering the influx of system sellers and scammers here lately. Just a thought.

On a different note, not directed at anyone as I am sure we have all done it at some point, but is there a reason to post about thumpers and timing devices on the public boards? I mean, I can't see the benefit to anyone reading about stuff like that. I didn't find out about them by public posts, I found out from private chats with AP's. I want to make a VB army as much as the next guy, but I do believe that it is counterproductive to post about certain things publicly. Especially considering the influx of system sellers and scammers here lately. Just a thought. ???

Davey Jones,

That thought does not apply here because

A) Lucky Strike is not a scammer

B) Lucky Strike is not a system seller

C) Luck Strike is a member here just trying to exchange useful info that gets exchanged weekly on this board week in and week out. Davey jones, You also contradicted yourself by saying such info is useless, but I clearly sence your hostility towards Luck Strike, regarding info you clearly want to keep a big secret. THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION IS if the info Luck Strike is providing is so useless as you are suggesting, than why would you go through so much trouble to try and convince Lucky Strike to keep it a big secret in the first place???

I would like you to continue Lucky. I know of 5 ways. so would be interesting to see what I do not know. Davey isn’t totally incorrect when saying that this topic should be more covert. There is a case for moving it to a secure area in this forum. I might be wrong but surely all serious aps here have access?