What better prove you want

[securityman]

@forester

that seems fair and simple ,but what will it provewe all know it could with a little know how fake a video for the better or for worse

but being able to see the TV screen at same time really appeals to me

las tvideo was a hoooooooooooot,

Keep em coming steve

and what did he say at beginning if his second demo ,the one where both switches are connected

come on,the video where the viewer cant see the FULL TV screen,something about using top diamond but that will make his RC give RISK;;;;;;;;;; :o :o :o :o :o

I just dont get it

[forester]

something about using top diamond but that will make his RC give RISK

LOL typical Stefano's excuses.

The point of described homework is to prove something.

If he uses lava lamp, it always moves fluid inside, so he can’t stop video adjust computer and continue, or repeat until he gets it right because lava lamp will have fluid in different position.
See predicted numbers on screen and position of clocking prevents him of deliberately and gradually shifting clocking position to predict one rotation earlier or later.

I know you would like if Stefano can prove that something better then FF exists, to make me work more.

[forester]

Is this for real? I remember him posting few years ago, I thought it is Stefano.

from GG forum
http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=8715&forum=Roulette_Message_Board

"My real name is Matt Deluca

I came here once to knock Mark Howe of predict roulette and fight Steven Hourmouzis Corner after Hourmouzis offering me his system for half price and pretended that I had visited Hourmouzis in Australia and see his security guards and office complex, his wealthy life style.

Well I was lying, I never visited the guy and his genuine winner system and his mobile phone computer is a SCAM

I could kick myself for not listening to Mark Howe now after speaking to one of his customers who had problems with his device at first, but eventually started making money with it so I know his PDA is genuine.

Hourmouzis Wrote the following when I asked for a refund>

[b]Hi Matt

You served your purpose and showed loyalty but this does not mean that I can give you a refund when you are not intelligent enough to follow the instructions. I am not interested if you post all this information on message boards or forums, you will just embarrass yourself for being a loser and not bright enough to use a simple device. I never said I copied an earlier version of Howes PDA program either, only borrowed some of the code as Nokia supports his code on his PDA but rewrote and made it much more powerful, get your facts right. If you have used my device along with the other guy using Howes device and the person using Howes device won and its his old PDA, then you are not using my phone correctly.

Steven Hourmouzis[/b]

I replied, but I used Howes device and yours on the same footage, Howes won!

I am now proceeding with legal action against Stefano Hourmouzis, people can read my old posts here at GG, I take all of them back, it was all lies to promote Hourmouzis and I feel so stupid for listening to this guy.

Everyone has permission to use and copy this and distribute it

Matt"

It smells as Mark :o

[securityman]

it just shows the public how low he can go

mark howe mmmmmm maybe

oooh and come on guys he admits he ACCIDENTLY signed in as ronjo(cough) AND ACCIDENTLY : : : : : : : : ::)POSTED AS RONJO(COUGHHHHHHHH SPLUTTER) : : : : : :

come on men,we can make mistakes ,give the guy a break,the thing is he seems to make quite alot mistakes in his life

lets have a look at his track record

he has no former qualifications .his own admition is he is a sales man

he has been quoted in public by saying this, I KNOW THIS IS ILEGAL BUT I LOVE IT(rentech court case);;THIS IS WHERE STEFANO CONNED 1000s of Innocent ppl out of alot of money

again he says it was a mistake (cough)

HE TRIES TO MAKE VIDEOS OF HIS COMPETITORS DEVICE BUT MAKES AGAIN BIG MISTAKE BY SHOWING THE DEVICE ACTUALLY WORKS BIG MISTAKE AGAIN STEVE

he admits to bad clocking ,again a BIG MISTAKE

HE SPENDS MORE TIME SHOWING FF than he does showing how good his RC is ,AGAIN A BIG MISTAKE SETVE

YOU SAY YOULL USE A DIFFERENT PROGRAMM IN YOU DEMO ;;;;;;;;BUT WHAT DOES HE DO;;;;;;YEP you guessed it he still used the prototype program AGAIN A BIG MISTAKE STEVE

YOU SHOW NO REPECT FOR ADVATAGE PLAYERS BY SHOWING FFa to the general public (prototype or not) AGAIN A BIG MISTAKE STEVE

STEV YOUR A BIG MISTAKE

@bago,what DId he accidentally type on that post where he accidentally sighend in as ronjo

[forester]

Well I believe that’s nothing compared to this, it is genuinewinner stupidity of 2010.

Some time ago 2-3 years back I was exchanging posts with Kelly at gamglers glen forum about roulette better predictions.

Bago just bought roulette computer form Stefano, he really believed him and tried the best.

Stefano convinced him that his computer can even predict outside bets (black/red…odd/even), that’s where my first argument started first with Bago then with Stefano who tried to convince me that computer on that way can gain advantage.

Recently someone at his forum wrote how he was watching someone playing roulette using roulette mobile phone computer, but he was playing red / black, and how he lost 27K. (he did not say was it Stefano’s computer)

Interesting is Stefano’s replay.

“Reds and blacks… there you go. You cant win that way. It always amazes me to see some people lose so much in such little time, and with a betting strategy that has no chance of winning yet they seem completely unaware.”

Ouch, it looks as Stefano finally learned that even roulette computer can’t do it.

If we start thread roulette genuinewinner 1001 stupidity and scams posts, I believe I can use all 1001 posts to list everything i know about him.

Today at GG he was explaining how he lived in cheap house on outskirts of Melbourne just to not pay tax. At court he claimed that he had to live his family house and move because Mark Howe wants to kill him and because I was helping Mark to find him.

It looks he has different story for everyone.

None of 2 explanations is correct but stupid.
You can’t reduce tax if you renting house, you can reduce it by half only if you live in a house more than one year and if you sell it so it’s not clasified as an investment but your own house. Most likely reason why from that house he moved back to live in his parents’ house is because he couldn’t afford paying since scamming business went down, hey but it could be to help old mom or divorce. That is not important, the point is that he all the time changes story as a flip- flop.

Personally I believe someone who doesn’t know or understand something is same as me just a day earlier or few years ago. 8)

Do not worry secman, I am not disturbed I’ll work on your project soon. ;D

[securityman]

Now your talking ,I know all that I have spoken to are keen to see this project go through

yes exactly devote your time on the new project cos we all know that WILL be video worth seeing

this is a link for anyone that feels hees been conned from buying a roulette system or Rc that does nt work

http://www.myrulet.com/index.php/If-you-bought-roulette-computer-or-system-from-Australia-and-if-you-think-that-you-were-scammed.html

[forester]

Same was publiched at VLS, but genuinewinner removed it.

[Toxic]

Hi Bago,

I’ve known Ronjo way before I ever heard of Stefano. Ronnie was basically one of my first teachers if you like and showed me his methods of system play (which he never claimed to be grail like BTW) Very good systems and very much like Kimo’s methods in a certain way. He is a genuine guy and a no -nonsense- say- as- it -is type of guy. He has always been more than happy to help out whoever he can (without charging a cent). Lanky knows Ronnie very well. They are mates.

Believe me Ronjo is not Steve. Ronnie’s wife (I think ex wife now) also use to be on the forums. Ronnie is from Durban area. Should not be to difficult for me to get hold of him if you like. I believe Lanky has his particulars. That should clear up quite a few things. Last that Lanky told me was that Ronjo found religion and that that was his priorities now.

Ronnie did recently post on the new Roulette.vls.cc forum. He is also the only South African guy I know of that has his own Huxley.

Although he does have his own systems of DS and so forth he is apparently pretty handy when it comes to VB. Or should I say he is knowledgable.

Maybe i should drop Lanky a mail and see if I can get hold of Ronnie.

Cheers

Toxic

[forester]

Ronjo who made post at Stefanos forum was Stefano, he admits that he made mistake, aparently he was by mistake logged in to Ronjos account.
Bago is questioning if Ronjos posts at Stefanos forum are done by same Ronjo on VLS that for example you and Lanky know.

Stefano was writing and writing, all we ever heared from Ronjo is single sentence written on Stefanso forum, something as “Stefano is right”
Nothing else.

By description from Stefano nothing looked right.
I really did nto want to be involved but people pushed me since nobody really could understand what Stefano is trying to say.

Some time ago I explained it a here :

http://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,645.msg5636.html#msg5636

Regarding VLS discussion.

Stefano sent tilted wheel spins to Ronjo, all ball hits are on one side of wheel. And 2 main dominant diamonds at 12 and 9 o’clock , it is his own saying.

Then claims from 100 spins he got 15 well predicted.

Every a basic computer for tilted wheel with such narrow limits will do it.
That diamond probably got 40% of hits and he predicted only 15.
If 15% spins were predicted it means that time limit where he got ball is very narrow only 15% of full ball rotation width, approximately 25 ms. As to catch the ball with time per rotation in between 1000-1025 ms.

It also means that he doesn’t predict in any rotation and he just managed to make computer as Michael Barnett did 10 years ago. …etc

[forester]

Day ago Stefano said he will do this test and record it.
Now just observe how long it will take him make video of 24 spins.

Someone can pass him this homework.

Use roulette spin and play it on TV.
Place mobile phone computer in front of screen to be seen all the time, connect it with cable to switch.
On the other side place lava lamp, so viewer can see that videos frames are not edited.
Set computer

Part A
Clock rotor at 12 o clock ball at 12 prediction about 7 rotations before ball drops = result
Clock rotor at 12 o clock ball at 9 prediction about 7 rotations before ball drops = result
Clock rotor at 12 o clock ball at 3 prediction about 7 rotations before ball drops = result
Repeat part A 3 times in same order.

Part B test his claim computer can predict in any rotation.
Clock rotor at 12 o clock ball at 12 prediction about 5rotations before ball drops = result
Clock rotor at 12 o clock ball at 9 prediction about 5 rotations before ball drops = result
Clock rotor at 12 o clock ball at 3 prediction about 5 rotations before ball drops = result
Repeat part B 3 times so we can see systems linearity.

Since he claims his computer predicts levelled wheel 15 rotations before ball drops then
Clock rotor at 12 o clock ball at 12 prediction about 12 rotations before ball drops = result
Clock rotor at 12 o clock ball at 9 prediction about 12 rotations before ball drops = result
Clock rotor at 12 o clock ball at 3 prediction about 12 rotations before ball drops = result

Now repeat test A , can use same spin but select anticlock ball way direction (he claims that his computer now can predict both ball directions same as FF can). In previous videos he never showed it and in casino dealers alternate ball direction.

Make video nice and clean for viewing so we can see and position where he clocks.

I’ll give him some credit for that. Last time I suggest him the test he become mad but it is really simple and genuine offer.

[Bago]

Hi Forester,

Good job for having exposed another blatant lie from Stefano concerning Snowman’s test.
Stefano clearly stated on his website that Snowman didn’t want to test his computer.

Now we have confirmation through GG that Snowman is still waiting for having Stefano’s computer between his hands, he never refused to test it.

But as Snowman has said, Stefano instead wants to send him a DVD.

Wow, what a wonderful liar this Stefano.

[forester]

He does that all the time, talks one thing but then manipulates it, same he did to PJ even to myself.

He also wrote that I copied computer software from Laurance and how Laurance told me it is not good software.

Stefano is just lying trying to convince people that Laurance supports him when he simply doesn’t want to be involved.
Same as I would like, but scamopulus all the time attacks me.

Today I was thinking to give him a proposition, let’s both close all sites and just play roulette and support customers we have. Last time he claimed to have 700 until now it should be 1000, more than enough. Or lets just leave one site, whatever; i never care.

[securityman]

lol how many times this week does he want to make a fool of himself

again another peice of edited crap and twisting the judges words round

it may and could be etc etc

forester ,unaceptable behaviour where i come from gets punished if the judge states so,so why o why did you get off Scot free

lol sorry I just litened to recording again and not stev the martian,The Judge never actually said that aha It may be etc etc

lol r is steve calling the Judge A LIAR NOW LMAO HE PROBALY WILL THOUGH

man he really has done good by making a fool of himself this week ,heheh how many times has it been now???

man how low can he go

[forester]

Judge who call him an idiot was female.

Can you believe at one stage he showed her copy of post where it was written" post removed"
He tried to explain to here , …you see it is removed it is a prove that it must be that something bad was written there"
She asked me to look paper. I looked blank paper saying only “post removed”

Look at here and made surprised face, made him look as an idiot. I mean what could I comment on a blank paper. She just rolled her eyes
She said to Stefano I simply do not care how and what people talk on public forums. Asked him if he can bring at least one thing that I did wrong. He couldn’t.

I was just sitting in visitors bench she did not even ask me to oath just watching how she was making idiot of him.

Once I added oil on fire, said I think Stefano wants to show you something.
He said to her how he would like to show her his computer predicting roulette on DVD.
Man I thought she is going to kill him, start shouting at him.

I explained to judge that I am an electronic engineer as a team leader my teams work was in application for Australian Quality Award and that we won it for two consecutive years. As a hobby I designed test process for roulette “4D test” and gave it to people so they can test his products and know if they were scammed, that is why so many people complaining because Stefano refusing to give them money back. Bans them on his forum so he can scam more and they come here to write.

Of course I explained it all with more details and mention Barnett, also that Stefano was already jailed for scam. Stefano couldn’t bullshit to judge and make excuses. He tried to confuse here as previous Judge which did not understand Google maps. He thought I am using my skills somehow to hack Satellites and army.

So Stefano said to here I was explaining to people how they can see with satellite my house.
She looked him and said so what I know Google maps, what is problem with it?

I mean this can go on and on, I forgot most of things it was year ago, I do not know why he is bringing it up.
Stefano lost 2 court cases, I did not want even ask for my financial costs, he should be thankful and kiss my foot.

[forester]

In that video one more prove of dishonesty.

Watch the video and notice delay after switch is pressed until system starts talking.
FFA talks instantly Stefano’s computer has delay, it use to have same problem before, but he claims he fixed it and that his mobile phone firmware is modified.

Stefano said:

"Forester you said a 1 second delay. It was at most about 400ms. Now it is about 150ms which is insignificant."

Forester said:

"watch video FF finishes pronouncing 31, your computer ~200ms after that says 20.

You improved nothing.
Until FF says 31 it is already one sec gone. So your delay is about 1.2 sec, do the math. Perhaps you should go back to school."

Stefano said:

"Sorry.

If I was 100ms wrong, oh no."

Forester Said:

"Stefano it is not wrong by 100ms but 1000ms, Since I know that you have problem understanding let me explain, it's really simple mathematics.

FFA pronounces number it takes about 1000ms, about 200ms after your mobile phone starts talking.

1000ms+200ms=1200ms

So total delay is 1200ms. Therefore you improved nothing I was always saying that your computer has delayed of about 1 to 1.5s.
FFA is custom designed and made for roulette predictions, mobile phone is only what it is.

You were lying that it is modified firmware.
Every time you start proving something you screw badly and only prove that you have no understanding.

I strongly suggest you stop attacking me live your life any way you want but leave me and other people alone. Somehow all people are wrong and idiots but you are one who takes and keeps their money.
I know that you will not publish what I asked you, so just forget it.

I only asked snowman did he refuse to test roulette computer or not.
Obviously not, but let me see what will follow, excuses manipulations etc.

My opinion is based on previous experiences with you,
If after testing he says 1:16 hit rate then let it be."

And then., he starts talking how he has the best computer predicting 2 sec after dealer spins. Nobody really knows how goodit is
… as in usual…

I also asked Snowman did he refuse to test Stefano’s computer or not as Stefano claims.
Snowman said:

"I will test it if he sends the computer. A cd or video proves nothing. "

It looks as only Stefano believes his video is a prove that his computer works as he claims. :o

[system]

sadly, I doubt it works as it should…

[Bago]

Thanks to the webcam demonstration i’ve done, it has been demonstrated that Stefano’s computer error yardage during the prediction stage is around 12 pockets error, EVEN when the same ball revolution and wheel revolution is clocked. (See when it predicts n°26 and then n°6).
Add to this ball scatter on modern wheels which is around 23 pockets, plus air pressure changing, plus tilt of the wheel changing, the end result is very clear: RANDOM 1/37 hit rate.

To refute this, Stefano claimed his computer can predict which diamond the ball will hit and even the part of it, so in theory, it could know when the ball is going to fall dead against a diamond, meaning a ball scatter far easier to predict.

But this claim is total rubbish since he demonstrated at several occasions that his computer, only for the prediction stage gives error of around 12 pockets. Vertical diamonds are separated by 90° which is roughly 9 pockets. This means that even if his computer predicts a repeated spin, clocking the exact same ball revolution and wheel revolution, on one occasion his computer will predict 12 o’clock vertical diamond, and on the repeated spin, it will predict 3 o’clock vertical diamond.

Despite this scientific fact, he claims he screwed me up with the webcam demonstration, whereas he demonstrated his computer is good for nothing for anybody who understands roulette physics. I asked him to stop his drugs, but he is rising the dose everyday, he does not want to listen.

[forester]

Lol, you forgetting that Stefano was in jail of scam.
Even for that he is trying to convince people that he did nothing wrong :-\

Now he start making conditions to Snowman about real testing of his computer, he will do it until Snowman tells him f/o, then he will write how Snowman refused. ???

Enough,
I will lock this and no more talk about scam until you publish at least 5 useful posts.
He has nothing else useful to do, but we do have.
Also I do not want people find this place talking only about his stupidities.