Visual Roulette - Opinions on some data

Hi All,
I’ve been using Jafco’s VB method for a few weeks and have mastered all his material on VB.
I can, with near 100% accuracy predict which pocket will be in the “correct” position with relation to the DD.

However, I have had very little success converting this into winnings.
I attach a sample of 110 spins from last night on a wheel with very obvious bias on pins 1 and 2 in both directions.

My predicted pocket was always in the correct position but the ball bounce absolutely crucified my game. The bounce appeared to have neither pattern nor consistency.

I appeal to people who are far more experienced than me to offer suggestions or advice as to what I can do to compensate for such situations. If the advice is not to play such wheels that is fine!

I just want some help :slight_smile:
Suggestions for alternative systems, methods, approaches are also welcome.

Thanks for your help.

Apologies, I forgot to attach the image - here it is!

You do not have enough data in your chart. You have 100 spins but you do not have ball jumps.
Try to get 100 spins and only mark how much the ball jumps.
You can also separate rotor speeds as I did on this graph.

You can see red and blue line from same wheel but one is how much the ball jumps with fast rotor and the other one is with slow. If you play something in between maybe you getting mix in between 2 lines with very small advantage which is hard to turn in to profit. So stick with one or the other one.

Im not quite sure what the purpose of the tracking was except defining a very nice semitilt.

The scatter data is limited and not very usefull.

No wheel speed notes ?

If you used Laurances tool and applyed:
the wheel speed data

you would pretty fast be able to analyse wether there would be anything to come for. Your 113 spins would probably be more than enough. No bounce counts or diamond notes any more.

Thanks both Forester and Kelly for your replies.

I will endeavour to collect more relevant information the next time I am at that casino and present that back here.

Having spent a lot of time assessing a VB based method I am quite content that I can accurately say which number is by the DD. Some weeks ago I was doubtful about VB but now I feel that I’m 90% of the way there - as long as I can figure out this bounce :slight_smile:

I’ll respond again once I’ve collected more data (in accordance with both of your replies).

Yeah well, as you found out by now its not always enough to know the number below the strike diamond at ball impact. You need a analyse method that selects the playable wheel speeds, and at the same time defines your reading points at these wheel speeds so that you can actually place some winning bets.

If things were only so easy that all we had to do was defining the strike number…

If you have the correct position THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS, I can’t see the problem. Just put your second neighbour bet a little further back. That way you can catch the balls that bounce a little more as well as the shorter bounces.

visual Roulette sometimes reminds me of bodybuilding, people fail in the gym because of unrealistic expectations, not bad skill or genetics. Nobody can win every spin, the only thing that matters is being in good position for most. If the bounce makes you feel bad, move to another wheel.
with only a few weeks experience you sound like you are doing well. Remember, it takes 500 (may be thousands) of repetitions of for a movement or actin to be recognised by the nervous system. This is why professional dancers train so hard in order to get a movement ingrained in mind to the point where a complex movement becomes easy.

Maybe he can, maybe he only believes he can. The chart shows nothing . Since he is taking notes he should also write predicted numbers.

It is good that you are keeping record of your spins, this for sure is helpful for later analysis. If something isn’t working for you, you can try another system/approach.

As for alternative roulette systems, you can try those, which has on their site. There are some basic roulette and advanced roulette systems.

Since he is taking notes he should also write predicted numbers.

Exactly. He doesn`t even have to start moving the reading point around according to wheel speeds as long as he makes a note about the wheel speed in that spin.

3 notes for 1 spin asuming spins are direction separated:

  1. Wheel speed.
  2. Observation number at a specific ball speed at a specific reading point.
  3. Outcome number.

Afterwards its easy to classify all wheel speeds in categories, and take 1 categori at a time and see if there is some sort of consistency in the pocket distance between the reading number and the outcome number If there is, get back to the table and play those wheel speeds, but now with the reading point moved accordingly so it matches the pocket distance between the old reading point and the outcome number location in the analysis. With more wheel speeds there will probably be more new reading points.

Before start, see how many hits you will expect within a 3 - 5 number sector in say 20 spins with this speed, if it after 10 spins it is not going your way, skip it.