Hi everyone
Even VB2 has many advantages over traditional vb does anyone of you sometimes prefer traditional vb rather than vb2 because of certain characteristics of wheel or ball or ball track?
cheers
I do. Much better look same place then all over wheel. It depends highly on what you call " traditional" …
Rerely you will find 2 people playing same way. Vb is highly personality depending skill and has many different approaches and levels of understanding.
If you look closely to vb2 players, Toxic will play it one way, Bebedictus other, how Forester play " was never tottaly explaned to enyone" , and l play vb3 ;).
But not need to feel yourself in dark waters just becouse of divergences of personal application of basic principles. Who ever able to winn, is able ( potentially) to understand how other plays as well.
ı feel that with smoother ball tracks where the deceleration of the ball doesnt suddenly rises ,vb2 is superior but if there is a knee point that can be observed barely traditional methods are more accurate.
by the way ım curious about your vb3 
[quote=“psikoanalist, post:3, topic:1157”]ı feel that with smoother ball tracks where the deceleration of the ball doesnt suddenly rises ,vb2 is superior but if there is a knee point that can be observed barely traditional methods are more accurate.
by the way ım curious about your vb3 :)[/quote]Even on smooth tracks there is " knee point" . Infact there are 2 knee points that can be persived visually. One is when ball stops slide on upper ball track ( the one lm targeting) , and when ball equals his kinetic and potential energy( the one many others track). Its all depends on terms used dow.
psikoanalist PM me and i will show you a method much better then VB2 - my opinion.
I prefer traditional ways to estimate the ball.
Don’t like methods that involve rotor when clocking ball speed.
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I prefer traditional ways to estimate the ball. Don't like methods that involve rotor when clocking ball speed.
Lucky. so feature of VB2 is that it not involve rotor at all and not measure direct ball. Rotor involve E2 method not mix them 
Theese who play that they read number under some DD say play this way aplly the same time as VB2 say 1000 ball done 1.2 round - he read when ball say next time pass ref point, if ball done say 1.4 round it will read number when ball pass second time ref point. That which play as VB2 will read always number in signal moment - that will be almoust the same number, but that which will read under DD still will read the same number, so all is the same…
But that which will read number under DD he will read the same number for sure, which will read acordingly signal - maybe will make mistake.
And i can say that in Vb are many nuances - it is not only try to detect ball round, usually player even when he say that now left 7 rounds and that means 7.0-7.9 , usually that player very good know about that rest part 0.0-0.9
And i can say that in Vb are many nuances - it is not only try to detect ball round, usually player even when he say that now left 7 rounds and that means 7.0-7.9 , usually that player very good know about that rest part 0.0-0.9 :)I can abit explain this - you can imagine that on baltrack are two floors high and low- initially ball do its way in high floor, then in some moment ball fall from high floor to low floor and continue way here till fall in the end. So that point where ball fall out, depends not direct from ball speed but mostly from point in which ball come from high floor to low. That point is very hard to notice acurate because all coming down takes some part of round and is not stable, depending where it begins acordingly higest and lowest points on the wheel. Vb player usually try to cach that point and better player try to determine even possition where ball comes from that hige floor to low. If he do that successefully he can know falling point very exact and even more exact,. than some RC player which know ball speed.
How that is possible ? That is because that falling from high floor to low have much more strong relationship with rest distance than ball speed. I will not talk about how theese VB players do that determinattion of that point, I will say that it is teoretically possible to determine especially when play two or three players team.
And that falling point from high floor to low is nothing other like what you all name as knee point.
[quote=“bebediktus, post:7, topic:1157”]
And i can say that in Vb are many nuances - it is not only try to detect ball round, usually player even when he say that now left 7 rounds and that means 7.0-7.9 , usually that player very good know about that rest part 0.0-0.9
I can abit explain this - you can imagine that on baltrack are two floors high and low- initially ball do its way in high floor, then in some moment ball fall from high floor to low floor and continue way here till fall in the end. So that point where ball fall out, depends not direct from ball speed but mostly from point in which ball come from high floor to low. That point is very hard to notice acurate because all coming down takes some part of round and is not stable, depending where it begins acordingly higest and lowest points on the wheel.
Vb player usually try to cach that point and better player try to determine even possition where ball comes from that hige floor to low. If he do that successefully he can know falling point very exact and even more exact,. than some RC player which know ball speed.
How that is possible ? That is because that falling from high floor to low have much more strong relationship with rest distance than ball speed. I will not talk about how theese VB players do that determinattion of that point, I will say that it is teoretically possible to determine especially when play two or three players team.
And that falling point from high floor to low is nothing other like what you all name as knee point.[/quote]2 players vb would be a kill… let me know next time you are in London.
;D Sorry if I am a bit off topic but I just thought about an instance two years ago when I met up with a friend while I was visiting my wife’s family in the Free State. We went to the Windmill Casino in Bloemfontein and started playing. The wheel we played didn’t have such a nice dominant drop so we went to the coffee bar and chatted for a while.
I told him, if only we had a decent dd on that wheel. He then mentioned: “Well you know that wheel is on a table and the table isn’t bolted to the floor. What if I lift it with my knees and pull a cooldrink cap under the table leg? Will that be enough?” “Hell yeah!” I said.
So back to the table. Jopie sitting down, with his knees under the table and I’m standing next to him. So he dropped like a drinks cap on the floor and started to lift. Well the table was way heavier than he expected and he really had to give some to get leverage. The ball was already spun at this time when he really gave some lifting his knees. The problem was he lifted so hard that the computer on the table as well as some chips and other stuff all shifted. Off course Jopie also got a fright with the sudden action and dropped it dead again causing another jolt. Everyone was looking at him and the dealer’s face was priceless.
Needless to say we decided not to proceed with the plan. I do not think I can accurately tell you guys just how funny that specific moment was. You just had to be there.
Jopie also tells me that once a drunk guy played on that wheel and lost heavily. The ball was spun up again. He pulled down his pants and pissed in the wheel! Needless to say he was banned for life from all Sun International casinos.
About lifting one side of wheel - i think all players tryed to do that in some moment, only with diferent success.
[quote=“bebediktus, post:10, topic:1157”]About lifting one side of wheel - i think all players tryed to do that in some moment, only with diferent success.[/quote]l have seen one of these players ;). Big fat chinese. He almoust jumped on table trying to reach zero. Wheel was knocked out of level as good as with drink cap. Past numbers electronic board was shaking a lot.
[quote=“Toxic, post:9, topic:1157”];D Sorry if I am a bit off topic but I just thought about an instance two years ago when I met up with a friend while I was visiting my wife’s family in the Free State. We went to the Windmill Casino in Bloemfontein and started playing. The wheel we played didn’t have such a nice dominant drop so we went to the coffee bar and chatted for a while.
I told him, if only we had a decent dd on that wheel. He then mentioned: “Well you know that wheel is on a table and the table isn’t bolted to the floor. What if I lift it with my knees and pull a cooldrink cap under the table leg? Will that be enough?” “Hell yeah!” I said.
So back to the table. Jopie sitting down, with his knees under the table and I’m standing next to him. So he dropped like a drinks cap on the floor and started to lift. Well the table was way heavier than he expected and he really had to give some to get leverage. The ball was already spun at this time when he really gave some lifting his knees. The problem was he lifted so hard that the computer on the table as well as some chips and other stuff all shifted. Off course Jopie also got a fright with the sudden action and dropped it dead again causing another jolt. Everyone was looking at him and the dealer’s face was priceless.
Needless to say we decided not to proceed with the plan. I do not think I can accurately tell you guys just how funny that specific moment was. You just had to be there.
Jopie also tells me that once a drunk guy played on that wheel and lost heavily. The ball was spun up again. He pulled down his pants and pissed in the wheel! Needless to say he was banned for life from all Sun International casinos.[/quote]
Hehe … that was a funny storie Toxic … thanks for sharing
;D 8)