The wheel does not have 37 degree of freedom

You might forget this, but the wheel has not 37 degree of freedom.

Spins are biased.
Rotor speeds are biased.
Deflector hits are biased.

[quote=“lucky_strike, post:1, topic:1048”]You might forget this, but the wheel has not 37 degree of freedom.

Spins are biased.
Rotor speeds are biased.
Deflector hits are biased.

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How have you generated this data lucky? How many spins ect?

but what kind of graph is this?
I mean X=?, Y=?

I just test some spins to see what kind of freedom a dealer has …
Next weekend i will go to my local casino and just take rotor speeds.
I am pretty sure i will hit around 8 to 9 STD with one speed during 8 hours or one full evening.

Things like this have there own advantage.
Like same rotor speed will produce the same ball jumps or scatter patterns.

Its all about segregate data.
So maybe i need 10 trails and get 50 during one evening.

[quote=“lucky_strike, post:4, topic:1048”]I just test some spins to see what kind of freedom a dealer has …
Next weekend i will go to my local casino and just take rotor speeds.

Why not before next weekend , instantly today !! :wink:

I will go there in one hour and test , unfortunately my home casino with their combis
are still not beatable ( Willy Klaus wheels , bad balls ) and an hard uniformly distributed
scatter.
Maybe your idea could help there.

Usually I travel 2-3 times the week.

I am pretty sure i will hit around 8 to 9 STD with one speed during 8 hours or one full evening.

Things like this have there own advantage.
Like same rotor speed will produce the same ball jumps or scatter patterns.

Its all about segregate data.
So maybe i need 10 trails and get 50 during one evening.[/quote]

It’s a good idea , my friend , he has 3 wheels and a roulette laboratory at home, tells me
always the same. His fault, he is not much at the tables, more like a World Champion in shadow boxing.

Most people don’t have the patience for segregate data.
I have , I could give a cow a piece of sugar and lick the ace till it tastes sweet. :stuck_out_tongue:
In this sense

E.H:

A just a quick footnote:

Technically the random single zero wheel has 36 degrees of freedom, and the 00 wheel has 37 degrees of freedom. (Sometimes I catch myself making the same mistake).

In the future just subtract one pocket and you’ll be correct. For example, an 80 pocket wheel would have 79 degrees of freedom.

The degrees of freedom matter when calculating and interpreting the standard deviation of the data tested. For example, did you in advance specifically pick the best number(s) before tracking, or did you track and then find the best number. The standard deviation testing would have a stronger relevance in the first example because the degrees of freedom have been limited. Technically you’d have to apply the dual P test to learn the true standard deviation values of the second sample. (If you’re incorrectly applying the values it doesn’t really matter over time, because you’re applying a personal significance to the values that you find. In time you’ll simply find that you require a higher standard deviation value in order to find the statistical relevance that you’re really searching for.)

One more thing: When posting standard deviation values, it’s a good idea to get in the habit of specifying the number of spins tested.

-Snowman

[quote=“Snowman, post:6, topic:1048”]A just a quick footnote:

Technically the random single zero wheel has 36 degrees of freedom, and the 00 wheel has 37 degrees of freedom. (Sometimes I catch myself making the same mistake).

In the future just subtract one pocket and you’ll be correct. For example, an 80 pocket wheel would have 79 degrees of freedom.

The degrees of freedom matter when calculating and interpreting the standard deviation of the data tested. For example, did you in advance specifically pick the best number(s) before tracking, or did you track and then find the best number. The standard deviation testing would have a stronger relevance in the first example because the degrees of freedom have been limited. Technically you’d have to apply the dual P test to learn the true standard deviation values of the second sample. (If you’re incorrectly applying the values it doesn’t really matter over time, because you’re applying a personal significance to the values that you find. In time you’ll simply find that you require a higher standard deviation value in order to find the statistical relevance that you’re really searching for.)

One more thing: When posting standard deviation values, it’s a good idea to get in the habit of specifying the number of spins tested.

-Snowman[/quote]

A piece of advise given by and for APs who know their business, and this is just the beginning of the job.