I really appreciate your help. This really helps me in improving my game.
Videos are great for allowing demonstrational purposes, remember though, roulette procedures can degrade over time, hence the length of a video displaying such action.
Systems work, but in short time frames, over the long haul, the house has the edge.
Be quick, get in, take and get out.
Awesome footage if i must say
U are confused between the math based systems and the AP systems.
With the math systems yes indeed the casino has always the edje.
With AP we are the ones that are having the edje.
Sorry dude, i will look into things with more detail
I found these videos really helpful. I applied the strategies at LaRoulette on the Winaday casino. It helped me win $400!
viper5 your tutorial is very intresting but i would like to ask you some things.
First is: when determening the observation point, first you locate the number situated under the diamond from 12 o`clock, at the 4-th revolution (in the video number 22) and the you determine the drop point ( number10) and i wanted to know how you measure the distance betwen these numbers (in the example the distance was measured fron the drop number 10 to the number 22 in clockwise direction) so i understand that this is the rule (because it can be measured olso in the oposite direction but that will be a total diferent thing).
The second thing i would want to ask you its about the method to determine the vertical diamond that is hited by the ball more often, because for example if I analyze on one day 20 spins, the hits could occur more often on the 12 oclock diamond but on other days on the 6 oclock diamond so i don`t know if that is random or that it indicates that the table is tilted.
I thing that even if I succed by training to determine accurate every time the 4-th revolution before hit, I would still need a good proof that the table i`m playing at is tilted, so that in long term play obtain proffit.Thank you.
tth4,
the maintainance crew is probably switching the rotors around from one roulette stand to another. they are interchangable you know. some casinos do that on a regular basis as often as once a week or sooner. there are a whole lot of manuvers they pull for safety measures. that happens to be just one of them.
one way to counter that is to recognize certain scratches or marks on the rotor you are examining so if they did pull a switchero than atleast you would know the difference and be able to find out what roulette stand they moved the observation rotor to.
No the tilt and the rotors has nothing to do with each other. The tilt is in the static bowl where the rotor (wheelhead) is a moving part and is as such not influencing the drop of the ball.
The tilt sometimes moves from day to day and there can be several reasons for that, one thing you can measure is the air pressure. Higher air pressure might relate to certain diamonds and vice versa for lower airpressure. There can be plenty of other reasons, what you have to do, is to define the diamonds for the day. But like i said, if it relates to the air pressure, you might be a little ahead if you know the pressure up front.
Also, most newer wheels has no “lip”
The lip results in a more dramatic decelleration (the knee) where on the newer wheels its not so clear because the ball has more freedom to just leave the track. The older wheels with a “lip” will hold on to the ball and make a more sudden drop from the track, and as such, a small tilt will be easyer to define on a older wheel.
So if you are tracking new wheels with no lip and just a small tilt, your tilt will easyer wander on a day to day basis. You can still play, just be prepared to do a little pretracking every day, there are no free meals on new wheels.
there are no free meals on new wheels
I woundering from wish book does pictures comes from ?
Cheers
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Stefano old huxley wheel has a lip and the ball he uses is just too easy, that’s why his poor DS system works against such conditions. But to the newbie, a wheel is a wheel, so he sends his money to this scammer and then realize that he can’t find a peak against his casino wheel.
You can download a good quality video of Stefano’s wheel at my website. If you can’t beat it easily, then don’t try your skills against your modern wheel in your local casino, it will be guaranteed failure.
And I’m sure most of you will achieve better results than his computer with simple VB, so why pay 7,500$ when you can do better with informations given for free on Forester’s message board.
@bagoslav,
I did not see anyone have new wheel, can’t blame anybody for not investing 30k for one.
I suggest leave other people threads alone.
I never knew what causes it.
One wheel here old Huxley doesn’t have that lip.
I did not play it earlier, but now I found out that I can predict all the way until last rotation and have linear results, while on all the other wheels I couldn’t. So yes the ball decelerates all the way smoothly. 8)
If you are not specificly looking for it you might not notice it at all because it can be somewhat “invisible” unless you can see the wheel in profile.
So bring a hacksaw to the casino next time 
or stick your fingers in the ball track (and get kicked out)
So bring a hacksaw to the casino next time :-) or stick your fingers in the ball track (and get kicked out)
;D That was funny …
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cool , do you have a full size image
Dr.Spock, my concern was not that the casino will alterate the table conditions, the concern was that they dont even have what to alterate because the conditions are not present (or you cant prove that they are present )
ttH4,
you just bought us back to my original point. that you have to first know whether or not the casinos are switching the rotors around first before we can be in a position to prove an advantage factor.
otherwise, if you tell me one day the 12:oo clock diamond is getting more hits, and another day the 6:00 clock diamond is getting more hits, than i can counter argue it’s because they switched those 2 rotors around in between sessions( usually late in the morning).
that’s why its best to just retest every wheel from scratch with at least 100 test spins once that wheel has been out of your site longer than 10 minutes. a lot can happen in 10 minutes. there’s a lot of factors involved including time of day, temperature , the type of ball being used and several other factors that could cause various drop off points.
the bottom line is that there is always some type of tilt or bias somewhere on several wheels in any reasonably sized casino. you just have to be experienced enough to find it and make an assessment whether or not that tilt or bias is large enough to give you an advantage… and experienced enough to find it fast enough before the casino does, because trust me, they are looking just as hard as the advantage players are for a possible wheel bias or tilt with all their fancy equipment. SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT BIASES AND TILTS WILL ALWAYS OCCUR ON ANY WHEEL OVER TIME…IT’S JUST A QUESTION OF WHO FINDS IT FIRST… US OR THEM… 
so don’t get discouraged tth4 if your are not finding these biases/tilts. it’s just that the casino floor experts are beating you to the punch and finding these errors and fixing them way before you can get a change to find them.
dr.spock, from what are u saying I understand that u as a player if u enter in a casino with lets say 2 live roulette tables and you analyze 30 spins on one of them in wich 14 of them the dominating diamond was the 12 oclock, you conclude that you can bet your money on the next 30 spins based on that result.And if you come in the same casino at the same table next day and you bet your money using VB on 30 spins and you fail to proffit, you would just blame these on a single cause (that the casino changed rotors as you say).Well I think this dosent make any sense. I could never risk my money based on the previous day analysis of those 30 spins even if the next day I would sit at the table an bet 30 spins just when the same dealer from the previous day comes at the table.But this is just my opinion (and I like to think it`s pertinent).
ttH4,
THE NEXT DAY YOU SAY??? NO I SAID RETEST IF THE WHEEL HAS BEEN OUT OF YOUR SITE FOR 10 MINUTES OR LONGER…
you just bought us back to my original point. that you have to first know whether or not the casinos are switching the rotors around first before we can be in a position to prove an advantage factor.
otherwise, if you tell me one day the 12:oo clock diamond is getting more hits, and another day the 6:00 clock diamond is getting more hits, than i can counter argue it’s because they switched those 2 rotors around in between sessions( usually late in the morning).
that’s why its best to just retest every wheel from scratch with at least 100 test spins once that wheel has been out of your site longer than 10 minutes. a lot can happen in 10 minutes. there’s a lot of factors involved including time of day, temperature , the type of ball being used and several other factors that could cause various drop off points.
the bottom line is that there is always some type of tilt or bias somewhere on several wheels in any reasonably sized casino. you just have to be experienced enough to find it and make an assessment whether or not that tilt or bias is large enough to give you an advantage… and experienced enough to find it fast enough before the casino does, because trust me, they are looking just as hard as the advantage players are for a possible wheel bias or tilt with all their fancy equipment.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT BIASES AND TILTS WILL ALWAYS OCCUR ON ANY WHEEL OVER TIME…IT’S JUST A QUESTION OF WHO FINDS IT FIRST… US OR THEM…
so don’t get discouraged tth4 if your are not finding these biases/tilts. it’s just that the casino floor experts are beating you to the punch and finding these errors and fixing them way before you can get a change to find them.
i apologize dr. spock but when i first read your post i only saw the first part, not the rest of the explanations.i understand what you are saying now.I searched the internet for some ballistic methods witch can be applied to level wheels, but i didn`t found nothing without a large price tag on it :). I downloaded an movie of one hour lenght where a system seller deomstrates a 350 unit proffit from 100 bankroll in 150 spin using a VB system (as its sayd in the begining of the movie) and in this particular movie there is an arc of 19 numbers covered , and i asked myself how could I obtain with an VB method this kind of edge (wich is not large) so that in most of the time I could predict a number and bet on 8 pockets right and left of it, and not in a tilted wheel, and without using a sofisticated and expensive computer prediction system :). Well now, perhaps I want to much.
I know all the good VB programs worth buying…who is the seller of the VB program you are looking to buy?