The Purpose of a Roulette Forum?

Hey all.
I am actually quite curious what you all think is the purpose of a roulette forum. I am sure we all have different opinions about it because we are all coming from it from different areas and with different needs.
For me, when I first found roulette forums, I was a new player. I joined VLS and RoulettePlace as I was looking for a way to win and better understand the game. VLS had the systems part pretty well down and it quite frankly made my head hurt after a while. RP had the physics down, but there are far fewer active members. As time went on, I found myself only over here. I came here to learn advanced roulette theory in regards to physics and advantage play. I ended up meeting another local player and spent more time experimenting then posting.

The reason I am asking this now is because I still see the same dozen guys, discussing the same game, in much the same way as we did years ago. What changed? The game hasn’t changed. The methods haven’t changed. The players here haven’t really changed. So why are we still discussing strategy over and over when it really boils down to physics? It’s like trying to discuss the different ways to throw a baseball. Once you’ve covered grip, motion and then fine tune it further with arm training and conditioning, what more is there to discuss? At what point do we all step back and say, “Do we realize we are discussing throwing a damn baseball?”

Again, I am really curious here, because there is so much literature out there about VB, paid for and free (Mostly free), yet the same questions and threads still exist. Don’t you guys get tired of repeating the same things over and over again? If the forum is just a place to talk about the game we love, then I understand it. But I almost get the impression that everyone is trying to outplay the other. The truth is, since Forester’s VB challenge some years back, when has there every been a time where we could prove our abilities to one another? Even then, does that really matter? I mean, I’m not a pro. But I can admit it. I also know that if I had to grind it out and deal with the kind of fluctuations that can be expected, my head would explode. I can accept that. I also can accept that I refuse to play seriously by myself. I much prefer the idea of a team beating the house than just myself.

So for me, I come here for the social aspect if nothing else. Having said all this, I would welcome another one of Forester’s VB prediction challenges! But I also think that all the constant discussion of strategy, given that the people arguing about it really should know how to play properly anyway, just seems kind of counter productive. VB is a personal skill and it will vary from person to person. Why compare and try out “AP” each other?
Anyway, long winded question, but still a question I am curious about. What is it that brings you here and keeps you active here?

I have to admit. Im roulette place addicted. I found here likeminded people who helped me a lot to lern the game and look at the different approaches and techniques. It just keeps my sanity in place, without this forum l myself would consider me crasy. Dream of making money playing roulette for living is not easy one to persue, just knowing that there are other people who share your passion in this world helps a lot.
Now one of the first things l do in the morning is smoke a sigarette and check RP for new posts :).

My life become different when l found this forum its for shure, l lerned a lot of new skills like data analisys, programming excel spreadsheets, damn probability theory. It is a good journey that makes us better as a people, nice to know that there are alternatives to borring work and routine.
@Forester, thanks to make this forum where we can lern and find team members ( hopefully). I made good friends here and hope to make more! Guys, why so few of you live in London? !!

Well Davey. For us RC owners further development and upgrades are very important and also sharing better ways of using rc or sharing different ways of using RCs. Development section is very important. I admit I do not contribute as much as a few others who spend hours testing newer versions and I admit I benefit from it but that is mostly because if it isn’t work, it is family, trying to finish my car project or a trip to the casino. Hopefully I can contribute better in the future.

Other than that. New vb2 players usually have difficulty so I do try and give some advice there or at least try and be of some help. I stay well away of any forums with sections for system players simply because those dudes are a lost case. Yeah one does get the occasional ‘my dick is bigger than yours’ over here but nothing like the senseless arguements over at vls etc.

Nice to hear you have your life sorted buddy. We must get into contact soon. Love to chat to you again.

I came here to learn advanced roulette theory in regards to physics and advantage play. I ended up meeting another local player and spent more time experimenting then posting.

What i will say now - you will not like.

I talked in many forums with many peoples in private about play. And i not liked how they described their play. There are two variants - they not want to talk how they play in reality and talk only words which are known for all, other variant is that they keep that way how they play - the best, but that is not in reality.

I tryed many ways of play, maybe more than hundreed, read abou them in forums in books etc, but for now i can say for sure that i not learned nothing from them or say not found nothing usefull for me…

Welcome back davey, your humour and candour have been missed!

Before you start ruling out all players as unsuccessful, at least consider the language barrier issue. That’s a huge part of why people’s methods are so badly misunderstood. VB is a VISUAL skill, and describe something that takes place in the fractions of sections in words that aren’t your original language is not the easiest thing to do. I can read a post a dozen times and still not have a clue what the other guy is saying. My one remaining brain cell can only move so fast.
I will say that I learned more from hands on experimentation on a roulette wheel of my own than I did in all the hours of chats. However, I would not have learned as much with that roulette wheel had it not been for those chats. It goes both ways I suppose.
As for not talking about play in real life, I have no problem talking about my play. I am not a professional, nor do I have the bankroll. I also play WAY better in teams than I do solo. I also play WAY better with someone else’s money than I do my own. So, my real life results with my own money by myself are hilarious! But I’m not trying to make a name for myself as the next roulette God. I’m perfectly okay with the odd play that works out in my whenever I do decide to go to the casino. I’m okay with getting shut down after a few spins. I’m okay with being an amateur player. I’m okay with admitting that I am NOT an RC player. I’m okay with admitting that I am not the greatest VB player either. But one day, I would like to try and change that if I have the time, money, patience, and partner for it.

Thanks Devilish! Great to be back!

D.J. It is always pleasure read your posts.
Thanks.

I do not know if I can learn something from you, I do not know if I can teach you.
I’m not sure if I want meet you as a player. At minimum we could share experiences knoeladge and methods without compeating.
There is no challange between us. No one cares “who have bigger…”
It will be pleasure know you as Person.

Abc.

Before you start ruling out all players as unsuccessful, at least consider the language barrier issue. That's a huge part of why people's methods are so badly misunderstood.
If that is adressed to me - then i can say that most unsuccessful player in world is me :). And that is not related to game direct say i had record - cover 15 numbers and 10 times in row ball hit do adjacent number (2/17)^10 is chance of such event and i saw it. Not many peoples saw such also.

Now to game - there are in game any miracles - are two things - one what we see or measure duering spin , second is result.

And now we must see if here are relationship between them or not and if it is how acurate is that relationship - can it give us benefit or not and how to make that it will give bigest possible benefit.

Are many methods which have that relationship - what we see/measure and final result, but are almoust no player who open about that talk and are really wining player. That is main minde which i had , if you have other opinnion then say , best with examples…

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Before you start ruling out all players as unsuccessful, at least consider the language barrier issue. That’s a huge part of why people’s methods are so badly misunderstood.

If that is adressed to me - then i can say that most unsuccessful player in world is me :). And that is not related to game direct say i had record - cover 15 numbers and 10 times in row ball hit do adjacent number (2/17)^10 is chance of such event and i saw it. Not many peoples saw such also.

Now to game - there are in game any miracles - are two things - one what we see or measure duering spin , second is result.

And now we must see if here are relationship between them or not and if it is how acurate is that relationship - can it give us benefit or not and how to make that it will give bigest possible benefit.

Are many methods which have that relationship - what we see/measure and final result, but are almoust no player who open about that talk and are really wining player. That is main minde which i had , if you have other opinnion then say , best with examples…[/quote]10 times on the row its normal.Did it happen with resent dealler change?

10 times on the row its normal.
You know how much is that normal ? About 5e-10. Far far not normal.
Did it happen with resent dealler change?
That i not remember but what remember that last bets tryed to do against that event, so even bet was not where i must bet acordingly prediction but abit shifted and still get maybe three hits to next number ....

[quote=“bebediktus, post:10, topic:1155”]

10 times on the row its normal.

You know how much is that normal ? About 5e-10. Far far not normal.
Did it happen with resent dealler change?
That i not remember but what remember that last bets tryed to do against that event, so even bet was not where i must bet acordingly prediction but abit shifted and still get maybe three hits to next number ....[/quote]Probably these 3 then you shifted your prediction, were not normall... Rest of them are ok. Its not that l wanna proove my point... Remember l told you about profile of decceleration that helps me to identify " kind " of spin l wanna play. You asked me if l were going to play ball speed that have 50 ms difference. Unswer is " not likely" unless by mistake. And here is why.. it would be a fall on my test for spin consystency. Spin that you misspredict has a higher chance to go not where you expect it or produce different orbits. These normally end right accross from your prediction or accross plus some pokets... depending on speeds of rotor, diamond hitts, way of hitt..ets. lts a different kind of spin, that should be adressed separate or ignored, if you don't want to suffer fluctuations to your advantage/ adge. They simply stop on " cold part of wheel" moust of time. Its normall to see for me with dealler change, everything same, but spin pattern different and ball goes right opposite from my " normall" prediction. I even start to rate these deallers as " negative".. means they send ball to other half of wheel.

all will be normal if that will not go abroad 3 sigmas, but when it overcome 10 sigmas that is not normal.
And here is mater not in ball speed and not in scater. Scater we not know befor it will be , ball speed not have efect acordingly mine method.
Believe, that was pure luck or say oposite - unluck :slight_smile:
Remember that i know borders how far can go ball and how minimal, so all that was normal with that gap :slight_smile:

[quote=“bebediktus, post:12, topic:1155”]all will be normal if that will not go abroad 3 sigmas, but when it overcome 10 sigmas that is not normal.
And here is mater not in ball speed and not in scater. Scater we not know befor it will be , ball speed not have efect acordingly mine method.
Believe, that was pure luck or say oposite - unluck :slight_smile:
Remember that i know borders how far can go ball and how minimal, so all that was normal with that gap :)[/quote]l don’t doubt in your capabilities. I just wanna point your atention to the fact that there are different types of spin and they produce different resoults.
There is a dealler in online casino l play… she is a killer. Her main talent is that all spins she serve have extremely powerful back slide rotation included. Its mercury wheel. Ultra low profile. Ball big teflon. In normall deallers and conditions ball jump as expected, with that bitch ball has 37 degries of freedom…39 l would say!! Ones it jumped in her face and rotor was relatively slow!!! . If you fail to address back spin in some wheel/ ball combinations, all your teories about how far ball can or should go will fall. Its not where it goes but where it stops, and the last one is not so simple as first.
Two more tricks from same " lady"… l observed tonight. First is jamp back of 18 pokets!!! Hillarios!!! Second is something l never seen in my entire roulette life, table runner stoping on the number ( 3 rotations on number tape), then jumping out, staying for half a second still on number tape, then slowly starting to rotate backwards same 3 rotations and arriving almoust same number… that spin l betted, it came out of 23 and arrived back to 24. My bett was tiers and 2-x-2 neibors of 1. I remember thinking " damn ! Couldn’t you go just a bit further " twice during same spin. Lol. Have had to share this one, even modified a post :wink:

I just wanna point your atention to the fact that there are different types of spin and they produce different resoults
No that is not this case. Simliest example what you say is such say ball hit to one DD and do small scater , but it can hit also to next DD also with small scater betyween them are zone about 15 pockets and say i bet all them - so in such case no matter that i bet 15 numbers to have neighbour number hited is very big chances.

[quote=“bebediktus, post:14, topic:1155”]

I just wanna point your atention to the fact that there are different types of spin and they produce different resoults

No that is not this case.
Simliest example what you say is such say ball hit to one DD and do small scater , but it can hit also to next DD also with small scater betyween them are zone about 15 pockets and say i bet all them - so in such case no matter that i bet 15 numbers to have neighbour number hited is very big chances.[/quote]I would like to have a look at data from that session, but as l can imagine, you probably don’t have it. In theory can be any, but data would show for shure.