Steve Hourmouzis exposed concerning the online casino challenge

He didn’t run away, he said he will do at least 5k.

I only do not understand why it takes 6 months and still nothing.
All what people receive form him is emails buy, buy, buy.

Hi guys,

Nothing surprising, one deceptive player from Hourmouzis forwarded me a mail where Stefano claims in october 2009 that he almost reached the asking bankroll (6x):

Re: CUSTOM VARIANT REQUEST‏

To xxx
De : GenuineWinner.com ([email protected])
Envoye : xxx
€ : xxx ([email protected])
I just noticed you mentioned the challenge with bago. To win $30k in 48 hours online is certainly possible with appropriate bankroll, but you would draw too much attention. For the challenge, I most certainly am not using primordials. The arrangement with him is I increase the bankroll 5 or 6 times (whichever it was but there’s not much difference). I’m already almost there and just need to find the time to complete it. Speaking of him, he had a terrible understanding of what he was doing but was convinced he knew better. You are making the same silly misunderstandings he did. If you intend to do well, follow instruction and when you understand the basics and follow basic instructions, we can proceed to lite cvs
and take it from there.

So, thanks to this authentic email from Stefano, we know that this fraud EITHER LOST ALL HIS BANKROLL, OR NEVER STARTED TO PLAY. As i remember, Kelly said that Stefano had to change his account because it has a problem or something like that…
But recently he said he didn’t find the time to play, despite the fact in his section proof he is supposed to have turned 100$ into 4000$ in 48 hours of play at casinowebcam

PS: I can forward the email to anyone I trust to prove the authenticity. No unknown email addresses because it will surely be Stefano trying to know who is the traitor whereas it is him the crook.

Yours Sincerily,

Bago, the Truth Seeker and Exposer.

Stefanie… I mean Stefano, does not have time to play yet he has ample of time spreading propaganda and lies in his posts at VLS and attacking those who cannot answer his posts because they are all banned. I know. I’m banned. So Stefanie… I mean Stefano always has the last say. I must say this though. If one could obtain a degree for “The Art of Scamming” Stefano would of Summa Cum Laude it. I like to refer to him as the Robert Mugabe of Roulette.

Cheers
Toxic

If you are long enough around you would notice that his scam about genuine winner system has ended. Therefore how he could compleate the challenge? For past few years he could only talk and never prove anything.

Currently for his genuine winner system he is promoting that he will teach people DS, VB, bias etc.
Did he finally learned that convincing people in to believe that data of 300 spin result as it was his genuine winner system is so stupid. 300 spins or 333 as he was originally asking to be submitted is far insufficient to find any patterns or bias that would work with next spins?

Do you see him still writing about magic golden spiral he found in nature that helps him to predict future roulette spins based on 333 past spins? Of course not, because people were laughing at him.

Since he spent so much time building all network of web pages to scam people, or to discredit others for his own benefits he still wants to be in business. Now he claims he can teach roulettes advantage play like Laurance’s VB or bias. At some posts he also stated now his GW includes Laurance’s VB as well. How fair is that? Did Laurance appoint him as his assistant? Of course he didn’t. It wouldn’t surprise me if one day he wants to teach VB2. Surely he would, but he has a problem understanding it.

If someone wants to pay Stefano $2,5k so he can tutor him is fine with me.
I would have problem understanding why would someone do it since Stefano is not comparable to someone as Laurance Scott.

Stefano also is not a player with experience, he says he doesn’t play and he never did. It also matches casinos investigation on him; in the report after investigation they say Stefano is not and never was any threat to casinos. His past record shows that he was already jailed here in Australia for scamming people. So which kind of tutor is that? If you want to learn to drive, would you take an instructor who never drives and if all he did was read about driving in a book?

According to survey we did; 100% of people who participated claimed they believe Stefano is a scammeror or they were scammed buying his genuine winner or roulette computer. No single person at forums support section has a good word for him. All stories he makes how we have common players are rubbish.

Wondering if Kelly is still waiting to check results! :o

Its been 5 months now, but i told him after 3 months that i wasnt interested anymore. Obviously it was not gonna happen. I have no idea why he puts himself in such a position. He was looking for a volounteer and i volounteered. Maybe he didnt expect anyone to bite, i don`t know.

I have no idea why he puts himself in such a position.

He has no shame, he doesn’t care what has happened what you, Forester, Snowman, Laurance, Manuel, Mark think . Stefano only counts what someone new may think and how to convince him to buy rubbish.

At least now you can better understand why I or some others who tried never were able to see him for his computer or systems. Whoever wants to see it Stefano has an excuse. If you insist then you are enemy.

[size=14pt]This is interesting, cached pages of his site…

http://classic-web.archive.org/web/*/http://genuinewinner.com

Go there and you can see his cached pages from 2004 to the end of 2008![/size]

Year 2004 genuine winner.com site by look and description was looking as a typical scam site.

“I recently tested the system with CasinoWebCam.com, and starting from a bankroll of only $100, within 4 hours of playing, my bankroll was $4,680”

He made with fun play money and used it on the site.
3 years later he changed site many times but still used same, and it was always RECENTLY.
As I said before he only cares what someone new may think.

Somewhere in 2006 he wrote;

“This is the ONLY publicly available system the casino are actually spending money on TRYING to fight, because it’s the only publicly available system that actually works”

Obviously he thinks because nobody else discovered magic numbers in nature as he did. But casinos were definitely not rotating wheels because of his magic numbers but because of bias play which was used by many. Soon after he removed it same as he was forced to remove manipulative video Braking Vegas because of associating it with his system.

Today he is telling people he teaches advantage play.
Didn’t people 3 years ago also played advantage play?
So what he was selling then? It can’t be an advantage play since it was the only one?

This Stefano is a real clown. what a complete idiot. :slight_smile:

Forgot to add, at his front page he have had;
… only 50 units is required, no risk!

Ouch
No advantage player with any dignity would tell you that.

@Spock
Try Dr.
did you get your switches?

Now, the advertisement on his website should be:

“I recently tested the system with *********.com, and starting from a bankroll of only $1000, within 8 months of waiting, my bankroll is still $1000”.

Here are some hard facts that the guy is a pathological liar and crook:

1)http://stevenhourmouzis.com/
Watch the video and listen to this conman: He claims he is not using dealer signature on his video, that he does not try to apply the same ball and wheel revolution counts. During all the demonstration, only 1 time he is spinning the wheel faster than the other spins, but ALL THE OTHER SPINS ARE VERY CONSISTANT. And how come he calls the predicted number at around 8’oclock when he releases the ball? Isn’t that called dealer signature technique that only works on Stefano’s wheels?
Obviously this big sh*t likes to make a fool of himself. ONLY with this video, you can determine the guy is not honest, therefore a fraud.

  1. The online casino challenge:
    He told me on August 16th 2010: “Tony, you just really dont know, it’s strange. 6x bankroll is not a problem. the wheel is easy to beat. I’m just waiting for snowman to respond about being able to login without a proxy. I dont need to cheat, you are just stupid. I cant wait”
    Today is April, 22nd 2011 and still nothing (8 months period). His excuse: I don’t have the time. Well, as Kelly said, you do not agree a challenge if you are not completing it in a reasonable time frame. Secondly, where are the successfull online casino players who testify on the phone that they won 30K with Stefano’s system? Where are his partners, his staff who could have easily tracked 333,666,999 numbers for him?. He claims he has 800 players and NOT ONE wants to help him? The online casino I chose for the challenge is well known, very strange he already does not have his super Custom variant ready for the wheel with all his successfull players he claims he has.

  2. Known AP players testified that they never met a successful player using either Stefano’s system or his computers. Of course on his crooked message boards, Stefano states otherwise, but REALITY is what counts. Caleb, Kelly, Laurance, Christian, Basieux and his students, none of them have seen someone successful with Stefano’s products.

  3. His wife Kylie Tjepkema said to Mark Howe in an email 3 years ago: “We just recently won $10,000 on funniest home videos so are now finally getting the backyard fixed up with that money”
    Doesn’t it tell a lot about Stefano’s financial possibilities? If he had won so much money with Roulette (online, land casinos with his system/computer partners all over the world) and his orgone vehicule researches which obviously failed because the future cars are hybrid electric/gasoline, his wife would have never waited for an unexpected 10K won to have the house backyard’s finished. THAT’S A FACT.

  4. He claimed to have offices for his roulette researches. Bullshit, all has been done in his hut with his cats (Roulette at home, see carpets).

  5. He claims we are envious of what he achieved, mentionning his image recognition computers. Problem is there is absolutely no evidence that this technology exists. The only thing he provided is a small video showing some colored squares… lol
    Stefano, we are not envious, we have achieved a superior technology that you cannot afford, even if you sold your hut. Look at this:


This technology gives a 1 in 1 hit rate even on level modern wheels with very bouncy balls. The only time we do not rake chips is when the ball is flung outside the wheel because of a fast rotor speed and therefore does not land in a pocket lol

Seriously, you achieved absolutely nothing, excepted a big scam on the internet. You didn’t develop your nokia software/hardware, you had to PAY people to do it for you, because you are a silly fat boy without studies. And concerning your system, it existed even before you were born. You are a very frustrated conman, that’s why you have invented so much lies, like the 9 patterns found in nature story.
Forester’s FF is superior to what all your paid guys did and you sell this shit for 15,000$ now, you really do not have moral fiber.

  1. He proclaims himself the best at Roulette whereas he has been caught:
    -Using a bricklayer’s level to level his wheel.
    -Writing bullshit concerning his Velstone wheel, particularly the track that for him is hard like granite. Caleb gave him a lesson of wheel manufacturing, Stefano was red faced.
    -Telling people on his 3K ebook to record 1500 spins to detect a single bias number.
    -Telling people that his custom variants (9 mysterious patterns only him discovered) require to compare the distance between the most recent number and the winning number which occured 10 spins ago. Yes for Stefano the roulette genius, there is a relation between the most recent winning number and the winning number which occured 4,5,6,7,8,9,10 spins ago (WRITTEN ON HIS EBOOK), TO PREDICT THE FUTURE. LOL!

More later, I can’t continue I have belly ache laughing too much.

Hi Piggy,

I knew it. It is far easier for you to waste time writing pages about me than wasting time proving for real that you can win at the roulette tables.
Time is not an excuse. You can find it to write rubbish, but when it comes to honour the challenge I opened, you disappear and remain very silent about it. I know why. I know your system. You, and I know, this is a crock of shit. Instead of admitting it, which will never happen because you are a seller of scams for a living, you are telling us you have not the time to play. Haha! It didn’t take you long to email me a fake photoshoped screenshot of your bankroll with fun money which was close to the asking bankroll for the challenge. Bluff, lies and deception are words that fit you perfectly Piggy. I know you and your old hat methods. You are a waste of time silly loser.

Your computers are miserable shits. You still do not understand the advantage of predicting several times during a spin. You are still stuck with the basic of VB play showing your amateurism and selling all your shits for a small fortune. A simple computer like yours give predictions within a 12 pockets arc, mostly because it gives only one prediction during a spin.
Advanced prediction methods involve predicting several times during a spin, this is the only way the operator can know his prediction is within a 3 pockets arc. Even hybrid dealer signature is more advanced than your computer, where you get a reference point at the start of the spin and an other in the middle of the spin.

Oh and concerning your low volume voice in the demonstration, it is well known that with Camstasia the person recording with a mic from his computer has a higher volume than the recipient, but as you do not know much things, you think I tampered it like you with your photoshop screenshots :slight_smile:

Best Regards.

Bago, the truth seeker and exposer.

From cached page of his genuine winner.
Take a note how he advertises to people they need only 50 units to play safely his system.
There is no roulette advantage player who wouldn’t laugh at him.

Since you made a post I assumed he attacked you again and I looked what he writes.
This man has no clue, it’s not worth commenting. Bago he has only finished high school and wants to convince people that he is a scientist he is fighting his own disapointments. he thinks he is hurting me writing all kind of rubbish, the truth is more he writes about me and FF more people contacting me. But I still prefer to forget about him and suggest you doit as well.

You have had his computer it couldn’t predict same number even if it was prediction in same ball rotation. On day if he fixes his computer to work better or even close to FF he will send it to you for free just to prove the point, until then just forget it. He talks how he is giving computers for free but he never delivers it.
Tell me which person at this forum wouldn’t take it and if it is so good use it and back up Stefano claims. There is no reason for fighting and for hard words. If person I know well form this forum claims Stefano computer works I will accept it. It’s much easier and more civilised way for him then making hundreds of web pages to talk how everybody who we know and has his system or computer is an idiot.

A 50 unit bankroll is enough? And he considers himself to be an expert?

Not hardly!

Great, now I am accused of editing page he had few years ago.

Anyway here is a direct link to cached page where I took the screenshot.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090626235705/http://www.genuinewinner.com/

Check it for you that image I published is genuine. I do not do dirty tricks as some.
Sometimes this site is overloaded, if you can’t get the cached page wait a bit its slow or try later.

Of course after laughed at him he changed it to;

“Low Bankroll Required: You can play safely with as little as 50 units (in ideal conditions and not for serious play). In typical conditions and for serious play, realistically you need 200+ units.”

That’s better but why accuse me of lying i just showed his stupidities.

At front page he was advertising only 50 units required but now he says it is not for serious play, in same time he wants us to believe his system is serious but advertise it to sell on not a serious way.

For most people that is a scam, however I believe Stefano thinks differently. For example after 10 years he may tell to people who bought his GW what he was telling until now wasn’t for serious play. If they want to win his last secret is to buy FF. Since he knew that form start but of course didn’t want to revile the top secrets to players which he can’t trust he would believe he is not a scammer.

This was at genuine winner year 2004

In between he edited page many times but 2009 he again won recently , how on earth 4 years difference can be recent?

Then you click on image

And it says
Play for real $$
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Check below Piggy:

  1. The facts are your now sold 15,000$ computer does not make the difference between an accurate and a rubbish prediction. Do you remember it giving Zero sector predictions and giving just after number 6 prediction WITH THE SAME REFERENCE DIAMOND USED?. And you call that accurate? Lol, you obviously never played for real in your life. At many many occasions, you’ve proven that your computer gives prediction within a 12 pockets arc, you showed us the charts, it is clear like rock water. Your mental illness forces you to claim that it is within 3 pockets. You LOST.

  2. The online casino challenge reinforces the above facts, that you are nothing more than a crook. You very probably lost your bankroll, you are embarrassed, do not know what to do. You are hiding, not me Piggy.

3)“In other words, to check how bad the errors from the incorrect assumption are” That is why your computer would need Forester’s feature, it would prevent it to give complete rubbish predictions, that your super computer assumes they are accurate. You’ve proven in front of the world, that your computer does not check for human errors in timing!.
Again, getting several predictions during a spin allow to check for consistancy and therefore accuracy. You cannot get this by getting only ONE prediction. You LOST.
Your free computer is free because it is a SHIT.

  1. I like when you are telling me I know nothing whereas you’ve been caught:
  • Telling people that it is safe to play with 50 chips at roulette.
  • Telling people to chart 1500 numbers to spot single bias numbers.
  • Telling people to compare current winning number and winning numbers that occured even 10 spins ago (your special patterns found in nature probably!).
    -Writing rubbish about your Velstone wheel track, Caleb taught you and corrected you Piggy.
    -Telling people you are the director of an advantage play team all over the World whereas all the known experts never met one single player of yours!.
    Maybe you wanted to say the director of the fun money bankroll online players?.
    -Telling people your system makes 30K a week even online whereas you’ve not made 1$ online during now almost 1 YEAR!

Hourmouzis, you are a pathetic individual and I own you :slight_smile:

Best Regards,

Bago, the truth seeker and exposer.

By my understanding Stefano talked with you, and then he writes about you at VLS, but doesn’t let you respond to what he writes so he can have his monologues.
Wouldn’t be easier for both of you if you can directly respond to each other posts?

See below Stefano:

  1. The webcam demo showed without any doubt that your computer gives predictions in a 12 pockets sector when the same spin is predicted, even with the same reference point. YOURSELF displayed graphs showing this enormous dispersion, so you cannot say I manipulated the results. Check my website in case you do not remember it, I noticed you like to avoid informations and hard proof that expose you Piggy, but I am here to remind you about all your contradictions. Instead of clearing them out, you are using arguments that do not have anything to do with it, such as: I am disliked by Caleb, Forester, PJ, in other words by everybody. I know for a fact you are lying like a fool, those people do not have exchange with you because they all consider you a big scammer. They never said anything bad about me, give proof please, you can’t as usual. Even recently Viper said he likes me, will you say I am Viper?. You would like me to attack one of those people to let you free with your scam but I won’t be trapped by this move Piggy.

  2. I don’t know what your computer checks but obviously it does not check for consistancy of predictions and human errors. Zero, Zero, SIX! lol

  3. Speaking of your computers, I thought they were not a scam because you said they are all free, partners pay nothing upfront. Now I saw that you are re-selling them, 5,000-15,000$. Haha!

  4. No no, you didn’t write this, you wrote: “You can play safely with as little as 50 units.”

http://web.archive.org/web/20090626235705/http://www.genuinewinner.com/

Again, trying to divert from your false and misleading bullshit claims that expose your amateurism Piggy. What will you say? That I own Google cached pages?.

  1. Again an easily lie exposed: In your 11 digit password protected Ebook Piggy, you can read Chapter 8.4) Analysing Single Number Bias.
    You are displaying a chart where you advise your players to chart 1500 spins. “1500 spins, Single Number Bias, European and American Wheel”. “To use this chart, you need to chart 1500 spins”. SADLY EXPOSED PIGGY!!!
    Stop making sense is a horse name, I have always used Horse names in message boards, and it does fit perfectly what I am doing with you Piggy!.

  2. I do not struggle with 2 reference points, it is your system that is designed this way, and indeed it struggles to find an edge. Even your custom variants work with 2 reference points, the same as the primordial, same shit, that’s why it will be soon 1 year you didn’t make a dime online!.

  3. Caleb used to be a wheel manufacturer Piggy, so I will take any words he writes about a wheel rather than listening to your rubbish such as it is hard like granite.

8] True, it is the wheel that allows dealer signature and that it why your system qualifies very rarely nowadays. You don’t want your system be called dealer signature because it is a simplistic approach that you sell for 3,5K. But all through your posts and ebooks, it shows that you even do not master dealer signature, one of the sign is you are telling people to chart enormous numbers from dealers over several days, which is complete bullshit and waste of time, that’s why you’ve always said responding to a custom variant request:“no patterns found, try another wheel”.

This is not the calibration DVD, it is the qualification DVD. Stop lying Piggy, in this video, your computer predicts exactly like in the play mode DVD. You are just predicting to find the OFFSET at the end of the video, then on the play mode DVD you just apply the offset of +12 pockets clockwise if I remember well. But even on easy conditions with your wheel and ball that are even beaten with dealer signature, you are getting a 1 in 33 hit rate which is close to randomness, noone can realize he has an edge with your computer.

  1. You can manipulate easily like you’ve done in the past because you own the forums. You can easily create fake usernames claiming you are a genius and that your system and computer are marvellous. You remember Ronjo?.

  2. You can record what you want with friends or paid people for giving false reviews Piggy. But obviously you cannot do it yourself “winning 30K online”, should I remind you again that you didn’t make 1$ online since 10 months you created your account, despite the fact you told me this is a very easily wheel for you?. How can you accuse others struggling at online casinos whereas you are the perfect demonstration of your own affirmation!.

www.roulettewars.com/bagodemo.html

Firstly, Why don’t you write on your webpage that the computer you sold me IS NOT the computer you used in your demonstration?. Your “new” computer DO NOT WORK ON THE SAME PRINCIPLE AS THE ONE I PURCHASED. The difference?.
-The computer I purchased worked with pre-defined number of ball clicks: “2,3,4 or 5”. The prediction was calculated from those inputs.
-Your new computers are receiving clicks until it detects one particular ball revolution and then announces a prediction.
You had to change completely how your computers worked because I know, You know, it was a load of shit. Therefore you stole FFA working principle and used it for your nokia. You changed it for a good reason, everybody complained. Still, your computer still does not predicts correctly, and as I say below, long term tests are what counts, and are in my favour, your computer DO NOT predicts in a 3 pockets arc.

  1. I never edited the video/audio. You claim your voice has been completely removed whereas it is FALSE (oops again a lie Piggy). Even if the volume is low, your voice CAN BE HEARED. I didn’t adjust the volume of both voice, I recorded with Camstasia and the reciepient (you) gets a lower volume, that’s just how the software works, you are really an idiot.

  2. All the important graphs are the combined ones. Why? Because you cannot assume a computer is accurate by testing only 2 times on a reference point. What imports are the long term results, in other words, numerous predictions on the same reference point, and sadly for you, and this is WHY I WON YOUR CHALLENGE, on long term results your computer gets predictions within a 12 pockets arc.

A perfect example is where you are getting your number 6 prediction. If we only sticked to the first TWO predictions, we would have assumed the computer is predicting correctly because the results are close. But BADABOOM, a third prediction gave a completely RUBBISH prediction, that your computer even didn’t detect as such!.

Long term test reveals the truth, that is on my side. You want people sticking to your 2 points charts to claim your computer is accurate!. It’s like recording a single spin where your computer would predict the exact winning number and claiming “look it is exceptional, a 1 in 1 hit rate”. It is completely irrelevant and not reflecting the computer real accuracy, but as a scammer you are, it is a good proof to catch fishes. You use short term results, like a failing system, to give the illusion it is working.
Do you understand now why the title of my website is: “Crook, Manipulator and Liar”?

YOU LOST Piggy. All my claims are backed up with proof, anyone can check and realize for themselves I am telling the truth. Your manipulations and lies WILL NEVER overcome it. There is nothing personal, I am not arrogant or sick. You claim this about me because you are running out of strong arguments.

I don’t reckon, like others, that you’ve achieved a brillant life: Stealing people money by telling them lies is NOT honourable, and in my agenda, you are a low life fatman who throughout his life has always had to cheat on people, because you do not have any talent. You’ve admitted yourself that you sell what others developped. You had to pay people for doing jobs for you. No Piggy, even by seeking deeply, we cannot find anything bright from you. Even your so called energy research is a complete failure. In 2004 you already said the release of the Orgone vehicule was imminent. Imminent like your online challenge… You called yourself the best roulette expert in the world, an energy researcher etc… (what you say on the internet), but when facing the real world, like your two lawsuits that YOU LOST against Forester, you presented yourself as a promotor…

You’ve never been what you pretended to be, you failed your physics studies, you failed your airforce pilot course, you’ve been imprisoned for fraud.

So, between us, are you sure I am the one who is not happy with himself?.

I don’t think so.

Bago, the truth seeker and exposer.

This is not the calibration DVD, it is the qualification DVD. Stop lying Piggy, in this video, your computer predicts exactly like in the play mode DVD. You are just predicting to find the OFFSET at the end of the video, then on the play mode DVD you just apply the offset of +12 pockets clockwise if I remember well. But even on easy conditions with your wheel and ball that are even beaten with dealer signature, you are getting a 1 in 33 hit rate which is close to randomness, noone can realize he has an edge with your computer.

I have the other part when after that he adjusts offset and plays. Results are worst.

He was supplying it with his roulette computer until I showed him how bad it was.

Red graph is 100 spins, with which accuracy his computer predicts relationship to where the ball drops.
You can clearly see that computer can’t predict where the ball drops.

White graph is just a easy ball jumps chart.

The blue graph is combination and final result.

You can see that results are deviating around 2.7% which means the computer doesn’t produce any advantage.

Stefano made a claim that I am not allowed to show data of his predictions and wanted me to remove the graph but I refused.

Just some update,

Stefano failed to make $5 k with his system; as he promised.
The excuse is as in one full year he didn’t have time, strongly he always have time to attack me and other people and write rubbish on internet oh and he had time to play online with fun money.

We; who are around for long time and have some knowledge and experience in roulette advantage play never take him seriously. But he constantly trying with his whole network of web pages and forums to convince someone in to buying his systems. This time what he thinks is a prove he proudly published at many web sites.

Can you imagine he made a video where he showing money in his bank accountand how 6 years ago he was on holiday. I asume he wants to convince people how he always travel.

He forgot that one of videos he already published 6 years ago, woooooo he is so proud once 6 years ago he went to holidays and he is showing it again. Can he show all other world places? Of course not. Oh yes it was when he just start scamming people. At that time he did manage to scam few people for few thousands each; I do not see reason why he wouldn’t be able to afford the trip.

Later on when information come out that he was already jailed for scam and that he is not a scientist but someone with only high school finished hardly that anyone is buying. So he is trying harder with new approaches.

I personally found out that he was using and legal aid services (In Australia only people with very low income can have access to such services).

This time he made a video as he is logged in to show you that he has money in his bank account.
Perhaps it might be the truth, but in 5 minutes I made a same video with same bank to show the same, just with 4-5 times more money.

Is video genuine; it’s for you to guess, but definitely is not a prove. The only prove is in people and until now every single person who we know that bought his system call him a scammer.

WATCH THE VIDEO AT YOUTUBE.

Watch scammers video if he doesn’t remove or replace it, because of shame.

www.genuinewinner.com/sorry2.wmv

Some people are so desperate to sell roulette systems they have. They’ll do anything but never real prove of effectiveness of the system they sell.

No the video is not genuine it is so easy to edit it, so all the scammer did is found how to do it and tried to make it as a prove.

Obviously, FF is 8 times superior than Genuinewinner’s computer, and at a much lower price :o