Stefano 's bragging at the end of the video how he’s up 171 units. I would have been up 409 units MORE THAN DOUBLE THIS IDIOT using only Forester’s timer which is option 4, using setting 4. I AM NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT FF, I’M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE REGULAR TIMER USING OPTION 4.
It was very simple. all you do is wait for the 15th full spin of the ball, than press the timer switch- - - I am not talking about the rotor - - - but the ball. Of course every wheel would be different - - but for stefano’s wheel that he’s using - - after the ball traveled exactly 15 full revolutions is the magic number. What we want is the ball speed between the 15th and 16th spin to equal exactly 1 1/2 seconds.
So as the ball is completing a full revolution for it’s 16th full spin - - what we are looking for is the zap at the precise moment. When that happens , we want to notice the number under the ball. What ever that number is would be your betting number plus the 2 numbers to the right. For example, if the reference number is 30, than the bet would be 30, 11 and 36.
Another key is that if we do not get the zap at the precise moment the ball is completing it’s 16th spin - – THAN NO BETS FOR THAT SPIN. that’s because that first zap is exactly 1 1/2 seconds, and if the zap happens before or after the ball has completed it’s 16th complete spin - - - THAN NO BETS BECAUSE THE ALIGNMENT IS OFF. Ignore the second zap - - - you just need to pay attention to the first zap.
I KNOW THIS SOUNDS INSANE, BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE VIDEO AND TRY IT, YOU WILL BE UP 409 UNITS BY THE END. I WAS REALLY LAUGHING BY BUTT OF THE LAST 2/3’DS OF THAT VIDEO BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES STEFANO’S COMPUTER WAS WAY OFF WHILE I WAS GETTING DIRECT HITS QUITE OFTEN.
OUT OF THE TOTAL OF 100 SPINS, 42 WERE PLAYABLE - - - I HAD 14 HITS OUT OF THOSE 42 PLAYS, ASSUMING WE ARE BETTING 3 NUMBERS PER BET— AND ALSO ASSUMING WE ARE STARTING WITH 100 UNITS JUST LIKE STEFANO - - I WOULD HAVE HAD A TOTAL OF 509 UNITS BY THE END OF THE VIDEO COMPARED TO STEFANO’S 271. WHAT AN IDIOT. FORESTER’S TIMER PERFORMED BETTER THAN DOUBLE THE PERFORMANCE OF STEFANO’S 5 THOUSAND PIECE OF CRAP.
THIS TIMER IS ONE HELL OF A SERIOUS WEAPON FOR ANYONE WHO USES VB OR WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET ANY UPPER HAND ON THE CASINO’S.
I am thinking to modify FF’s timer so the length of time can be chosen.
At one stage of FF’s development mistakenly I used tilt 2 system instead of IQE6.
I still end up with few thousands profit. Was it luck, it is hard to tell since I did it only once?
Basically what happened is that spins which were missed to hit where it was predicted have had different ball jump so it compensated for mistake.
I do have intention to test how much advantage is possible on slightly tilted wheel but result probably will be very dependant on which ball is used.
Stefano claims on the video that his wheel is a semi-tilted wheel like most the casino wheels now a days. I don’t believe a word he says because he tends to mix in 10% of his truths with 90% of his lies.
Question?
Forester, is Stefano’s wheel a heavily titlted wheel or was it a semi-tilted wheel?
If it was a heavily titlted wheel, than wouldn’t the ball have a common drop point? I noticed in the video , there was no common drop point because the ball was dropping all over the place around the entire wheel.
I don’t think he was using a magnot either, because alot of times when his prediction from is computer was wrong, your timer was able to predict the correct number.
So I guess my real question is " does this timer work on both semi-tilted wheels and heavily tilted wheels or is it suppose to work on just heavily tilted wheels?
If your answer to that question is just heavily titlted wheels, than how do you suppose a device like your timer was able to beat the crap out of Stefano’s wheel that doesn’t even have a common drop point - - - because the ball falling all over the place around the entire wheel in that video?
His wheel I classified as leveled. I have no idea how you managed to get results with timer.
Slightly tilted wheel you can play as leveled but you lose some of possible advantage, or you can play it as tilt and same happens.
Tilted wheel
Ideally all number positions within single rotation get compassed to zero.
Other words ball 1.0 sec or 1,1 or 1,2 end up at same place X.
On leveled wheel 1.1 should be ~½ rotation different from 1.0
On slightly tilted wheel 1.1s predicted as leveled should be ~1/2 from 1.0 but if failing point is at side where the ball is going down the hill we may get 0.6-0.7 while up the hill it can be 0.4 difference from 1.0s.
The wheel has its high point somewhere where the top is but you will actually get the most hits at the number 6 diamond because if the ball misses the number 2 diamond when it runs downhill, the first diamond it will strike is when it starts to go uphill and the ball has lost its momentum is number 6 diamond (at 8 oclock). Its an asumption made without knowing the wheel and its track, actually there can be more than 1 tilt scenario to create this. There can also be other causes that triggers the diamond strike pattern. Could ofcourse be usefull to know the exact reasons for the strike pattern, but basicly what we need is the probabilitys for each diamond, the reason is not so important. Its a tilt degree i wouldn`t hesitate to play using VB.
The first 34 spins showed this strike pattern. #1 diamond is the horizontal diamond located at 1 oclock.
0
11
0
1
0
17
0
6
Basicly, you can “rule out” (nothing can ever be entirely ruled out) 1/2 a wheel as possible drop zone from diamond 2 to diamond 6.
Quote from Stefano: “The wheel does not have any significant common ball drop point. It is neither perfectly level or heavily tilted - such a condition is most difficult to predict.”
Well not entirely true because it has 2 dominant drop points and a third not so dominant but still significant.
I cant comment on the prediction since i havent done a deeper test, just wanted to see what the tilt degree were.
I had a feeling something must have been wrong with that wheel because it was way to easy to win!!! ???
Great observation kelly! If Casino wheels had been anything like Stefano’s wheel, than we’d all be millionaires. ;D
It’s a damn shame that he actually uses that wheel as a demonstration wheel. He ought to be thrown back in jail for false advertizing and for cheating and deceiving people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Well, he is correct that a completely level wheel is a rare thing, but also with only minor tilts they might not be suitable for VB. The tilt on his wheel, is very good for VB though and you might sometimes see them in a casino environment, but usually there are a total of at least 4 - 5 stike diamonds, which makes VB more diffycult, in some cases unplayable.
I did notice on some of his video spins that the ball is hitting opposite diamonds.
I even tried to see if he is changing tilt during his play since there was some indication that diamond hit was in relation with shifting of his clocking position. Or, (it could be that video is out of synchronization with audio) he deliberately clocks each rotation shorter and shorter to get prediction to match hit to another diamond.
That is what he was trying to do with “Foresters test”. The first test he did was only on single diamond. To get consistency he cheated and applied tilted wheel prediction with which one you get always constant number and only error in rotor clocking would be shown.
In next test he tried to demonstrate that if he moves clocking to another diamond that predicted number would be the same. So when he moved clocking to another diamond he starts gradually shifting clocking position to manipulate ball timing just to match result.
On his last video you can see that he doesn’t use constant amount of rotations any more, so he is trying to do something as IQE6 or he simply tying to predict it as tilted wheel which is more likely. His last click actually doesn’t count because his computer takes more then one sec just to initiate player to start pronouncing number. It just doesn’t make any sense. Someone who only 6 months ago were abusing me complaining that my computer is taking to many clicks now start doing same but obviously for wrong reasons. There is no reason to use data for more then 3 rotations and since with his computer you actually must use and camera to get ball timings (manually) if that data is valid then there is no need to do continues clocking except if you predicting it as tilted wheel. I would say that during attempts to do “Foresters test” Stefano discovered new way how he can cheat by applying tilted wheel prediction principles and implemented it on his latest video. His previous videos didn’t have any consistency in prediction €“ rotor hit and for someone who understands it was actually prove how it is ineffective. Anyway there is no need to try to understand seek minded person or to discover how he does his scam. He will always be what he is, probably because he still can make some money out of it. What you can expect from someone who recently claimed how his roulette conference was successful sends promotional emails about it , when event never took place.
I asked him for one, I even told him if it works I do not need to develop FFA and probably some of FF users will buy it. But he refused. He wants me first to remove "dirt"about him. Yea right.
Few months ago he tried same with promisssing me his hybrid computer (for free), which apparently can predict even if you point camera to ceiling and predict wheel with its reflection from any part of brass of metal.
The strangest part about the video was that he went out of his way to produce the same ball speed on every single roll. He had 100 straight spins of the ball that traveled at least 18 rotations which I find very odd.
On several occassions after he released the ball lesser than his normal release, he would stop the play and redo the ball spin. ???
Bob gordon, on the other hand was mixing up his ball speed on just about every single roll and never had anything higher than 5 straight spins where the ball traveleled at least 18 rotations or more. BG does the exact opposite of Stefano because BG definately goes out of his way in mixing up the ball speeds way to much.
I think they are both out of touch with real casino environments- - - where BG goes to the extreme of mixing up ball speeds and Stefano refuses to mix up ball speeds all together. I believe that real casino environments would fall some where in the middle - - -where they will take the time to mix up ball speeds from time to time, but not taking it to the extreme like BG on every single roll.
BG has to short spins. I asked him why, and he replied it’s to fit more on each DVD. In casino in usual I never have problem with getting enough time to clock wheel and ball.
What i did on Marks video, was to note the strike number and the outcome number on the spins that were close to prediction. If it were a result of a good prediction, you would also expect a consistency on the distance beween strike and outcome. On the same rotor speed, you would not expect 6 pockets bounce in one spin and 18 in the next and both get a hit on a number.
I wouldn`t expect the exact amount of pockets between strike and hit but at the very least some consistency in the distance. A total profile on the conditions and a analyse of strike versus hit and also a individual scatter diagram for the strike diamond 2 and 6 would be a part of a normal analyse for the VB ¨r. In this case, you also partly see what the experts calls “Pauls Point” which means that if for example the ball misses the strike diamond # 2 but strikes at # 6 or 8 you will be getting almost the same strike number as if the ball had collided at # 2 because the ball and rotor has both moved 1/2 a wheel and the scenario will be the same as at #2. Not to be confused with vis - a - vis.
I havent got the time for doing it on Stefanos video, cause i got another project going. If no one else is doing it i might do it in a week or two. Dont know why though
That’s exactly what I was thinking to write but it was too much of explaining.
Once I did a test to check for maximum possible advantage on Stefano’s wheel.
It means the latest prediction, where the ball was about 1.5 sec per rotation. 1.5s x 12 p/s (rotor) = ~18pockets, + ½ wheel that ball makes from diamond to diamond =~36
And that is probably why I have has such good results regardless if his wheel has 2 main common drop points or if he continuously tilts it from side to side. When Stefano made his video to show the FF as system where is hard to notice the ball he used same setting for late prediction and actually showed very high hit rate. I never looked if on that video he has hits on 2 opposite side dominant diamonds.
Actually it is 1.2 (1/2 of last rotation) x 12=~15 >> 15+18=33
