Spotting bias wheel?


#1

Hello everyone,

I come from a site where 99% of the threads start with something like: " wait for three reds in a row and then start betting black with this progression…" !!! You get he picture.
A B Combiné
129 114 243
92 107 199
90 91 181
95 89 184
111 115 226
108 119 227
123 117 240
127 133 260
114 117 231
99 115 214
126 131 257
102 112 214
114 113 227
119 138 257
123 119 242
120 117 237
86 101 187
101 107 208
123 106 229
132 92 224
109 82 191
108 112 220
121 110 231
108 103 211
97 104 201
127 117 244
110 115 225
114 120 234
111 89 200
110 120 230
116 94 210
124 121 245
113 107 220
113 100 213
98 106 204
120 113 233
119 104 223
4152 4070 8222

So this is really good to come to a place with a better understanding of what it takes to win at this game.

I started playing bias wheel-numbers about 16 years ago. I made a a fair amount in 6 years and then stopped for reasons I wont go into here.

I did this the old fashioned way: just collecting thousands a upon thousands of spins on a several tables. I collected over a million spins over the years. I know some of you are thinking: “for Christ s sake, get a life man!” Yes, I know. Bordeline of crazy. But that is the only way I know how to win at this crazy game. VB is another option, but you need a slow wheel otherwise this impossible.

Anyway, the thing is, I read on several post on this site that one has to detect the bias “visually”. I tried and tried some more and I just cannot see anything wrong with the wheels I watch. No scratch, no visible wobble, no nothing. The only thing I see on about half the wheels I watch are one or two VERY dominant diamond drops. This is supposed to be a good sign, but, frankly, I don’t see how.

I have some promising numbers to play as of now.
What kind of SD should I be looking for? Should this SD be the same if I was looking at a sector? If not what are differences?
Chi of 56 is suppose to be the bottom of bias. What shouls I be looking for to be reasonably sure of bias?

Regards.
Insidebet
(the only way)


#2

You have PM …


#3

Insidebet,

B looks interesting.

A doesn’t.

Collect and plot a strike point graph. This is where you record the first fret/pocket number that the ball impacts on the spinning wheel. (Not to be confused with a vb drop distribution graph.)

Just looking at the graph, it does appear as though there could possibly be a biased section. Just glancing at the data graph, it looks as though it could be from a seam/ridge on the number tape. If you collect some ball strike data…about 400 or 500 strike numbers… then we can graph them, and it will help us determine where to look for defects.

Track by ball size if you can.

Also, what brand/manufacturer of wheel is this? Check Google for pics of wheels that look like it.

-Snowman


#4

Snowman,
Thank you for the reply. I tried to send the numbers to LuckyStike several times to put through his analysing grid, but I cannot send it in the right format, it seems. Can i get this somewhere else? Does anybody else have something similar?

What I did not specify in the post is that the numbers are NOT in the wheel order, but rather in a numeric order. Line one is # 1, line two is #2, line thirty seven is 0, and the last one is obviously totals. A is CW and B is CCW.

Manufacturer is Huxley, but I do not know the exact sort of wheel.

After 9k spins, B has more potential biased numbers (4) and a potential mini section of 3 pockets.

Thanks again,

Insidebet


#5

One thing I forgot mention is the dominant diamonds on both sides.

A is a two pin wheel, with the horizontal between the two hitting around 50% of the time, which is quite unusual I think.

B is a one pin wheel hitting on diamond square about 90% of the time. So the scatter in B is on average very much smaller than in A.

Beside that, how do I know if they turn the number ring? I used to check marks on the cone, but now Huxley uses a plastic that is pretty even and it is next to impossible to spot marks on it. The best way I have is to identify where one of the vertical lines on the cone (I think there are six of them) line up with a number on the ring. Say one line ends up right in the middle of # 25, then it is my check up point everytime I get to the casino. Any other way?

Insidebet


#6

[quote=“insidebet, post:5, topic:1206”]One thing I forgot mention is the dominant diamonds on both sides.

A is a two pin wheel, with the horizontal between the two hitting around 50% of the time, which is quite unusual I think.

B is a one pin wheel hitting on diamond square about 90% of the time. So the scatter in B is on average very much smaller than in A.

Beside that, how do I know if they turn the number ring? I used to check marks on the cone, but now Huxley uses a plastic that is pretty even and it is next to impossible to spot marks on it. The best way I have is to identify where one of the vertical lines on the cone (I think there are six of them) line up with a number on the ring. Say one line ends up right in the middle of # 25, then it is my check up point everytime I get to the casino. Any other way?

Insidebet[/quote] You can always ask them when last maintenance had a place. Make a fake card of mechanic to show them and ask about periodical maintenance. … You may use words like " cheap" and “afordable”…
BTW, where are you located? If in London or near, l could give you some ideas…


#7

insidebet you should PM Snowman - he can help you because he is a legend when it comes to bias wheels.

Don’t ask to many questions in the casino, keep a low profile.
Snowman can tell you how to id a wheel spotting defects and light reflections, so you can follow the wheel around the casino if they move it.

Cheers


#8

insidebet

I would reinforce exactly what lucky_strike said about Snowman - he is the Man!

Mike.


#9

Inside bet, to play bias properly, you will need to learn vb. To play vb properly, you will need to learn bias play. Sims like closed cycle, but it’s not.
With vb, is easiest part(of both, not itself), you could upply vb2 and get reasonably 1/3 of the wheel where ball will arive… from there dance with bias .
I can not instruct you on bias, all l know comes from Snowman. It’s up to him to deside with whom he share his findings ( some respect is due in this roulette world as well).
But if he help you to understand bias play, l may later help you to implement your knolidge for much higher edge,via vb, if you move to London.


#10

Welcome to the forum insidebet. I am with lucky and mike, seek snowmans advice, your data is very close
to the tipping point and if the wheel is bias and still in play it would be a shame to waste it after collecting as
much data as you have.


#11

Thanks Devilish and Lucky