New member from London about FF

hi guys, my name is ben.

yesterday i came across that stefano bloke’s site. i hate to admit it but i was pretty much convinced :’( and couldn’t sleep for thinking about it. i’d pretty much talked myself into becoming one of his ‘players’ and came very close to taking the plunge this morning…

after some surfing around i stumbled upon this site and i’m so glad that i did. it’s probably prevented me from throwing away what to me is a small fortune.

i’ve always stayed away from roulette in the past, believing it to be unbeatable. apparently that’s not the case :smiley:

anyway i’m very keen to make friends here and if anyone is from my neck of the woods that would be great too.

Hi Ben.
You were very lucky to have visited this site before giving your money to Steve!
His system sold 2500 $ is a scam. He gives some simple informations about dealer signature (informations available for free online), and not applicable in any real conditions.

He says he has a player’s forum and a software for analizing wheel, but it’s false. The forum doesn’t work and the software doesn’t exist. He is not as rich as he says, and never he will refund you if you are not satisfied!
A good visual method that can works in real conditions is VB2 teached by Forester in this forum “for free”, only with a symbolic contribution for access to the forum’s private section.

Roulette computers can also give you an advantage on roulette game.
Forget RC designed on PDA: they can’t work, because they can’t have enough accuracy in response times.
FF roulette computers are the only devices that can help you to “beat” roulette game, but only with the right conditions and only knowing what you are doing (you can’t expect to win roulette with a magic device, without a minimum of experience and of practise).
I think here there are many members from the UK, I am from Italy.
Regards.

Hi Ben.I am a newbie like you.Just wanted to say that you’re in wright place.And you should be happy that avoided Steve’s products.All
useful info is here and rest is up to you.Good luck!

Forget RC designed on PDA: they can't work, because they can't have enough accuracy in response times.

I wouldn’t say they can’t work at all, it would be unfair.

A PDA as a roulette computer is better than a mobile phone since the mobile runs many things in background.
Also they are improving, only Stefano doesn’t follow improvements.
He is still stuck with an old Nokia Symbian platform.
For same reason and Nokia lost so much on popularity, they are now trying to switch to Windows OS.

Look Jafco’s videos he is using PDA, after his last ball click he gets almost instant prediction (as FF has), Stefano, in past 5 years managed to reduce delay from ~1.5 sec to ~0.5 sec. It’s a improvement but he’s still far behind.

thanks for the replies guys :smiley:

i can see i have a lot to learn and have many hours of reading ahead of me, if i’m going to make in roads into succesfull roulette play.

i don’t presume to be ready to purchace one yet but i am curious about the ff computers, i don’t even know what that stands for :-[ how much are they to buy? i can’t seem to find that info.

i am currently looking for a casino with very low min bets in order to practice and learn… i’m not having much joy.

regards.

hi guys, my name is ben.

yesterday i came across that stefano bloke’s site. i hate to admit it but i was pretty much convinced :’( and couldn’t sleep for thinking about it. i’d pretty much talked myself into becoming one of his ‘players’ and came very close to taking the plunge this morning…

after some surfing around i stumbled upon this site and i’m so glad that i did. it’s probably prevented me from throwing away what to me is a small fortune.

i’ve always stayed away from roulette in the past, believing it to be unbeatable. apparently that’s not the case :smiley:

anyway i’m very keen to make friends here and if anyone is from my neck of the woods that would be great too.

Hi Ben ,
nice to meet you here , I plan to go more often to London the next time,
I live near Hambourg.
Are there still not so expensive places under a brigde to sleep ?

Ben, try first to do it without RC.

Elheombre

[quote=“Elhombre, post:6, topic:781”]Ben, try first to do it without RC.

Elheombre[/quote]

Good advice :smiley:

I do not promote much roulette computers or convincing people to buy it.
When someone is ready he will find me and often exactly know what he wants. Such users have more success and that’s what i am after.

About the name FF.

Mike McBain was a Godfather to name the FF’s. Since first FF was giving zap it stands for Foresters Fib.
After that we use only FF than FFA for one that gives audio output, FFV for vibration and FFZ for zaps.
Mike is the one who initiated process of designing it and was here from the start.

First FFZ was created, than few people just send me money to encourage me to make a FFA. I couldn’t refuse.
Than an user asked me if would be possible instead of zaps to attach small vibrating motor wirth 14000rpm. I draw him a circuit and later on he convinced me that it works good, so the FFV was born.

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Roulette computer inside shoe.
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Its interested how some users made smaller FFs than what I was making and giving me suggestions.
One guy made his own design and completely built it inside his shoe. He was familiar with electronics but also he was a shoemaker by profession.
After that there were newer FF versions, in usual smaller and more practical, followed with new software.

After that there were newer versions, in usual smaller and more practical, followed with new software.

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Hi Ben , nice to meet you here , I plan to go more often to London the next time, I live near Hambourg. Are there still not so expensive places under a brigde to sleep ?

Ben, try first to do it without RC.

Elheombre

i hear there’s still some prime cardboard real estate available under the hammersmith fly over, Elheombre :smiley:

nice to meet you.

[quote=“forester, post:7, topic:781”][quote=“Elhombre, post:6, topic:781”]Ben, try first to do it without RC.

Elheombre[/quote]

Good advice :smiley:

I do not promote much roulette computers or convincing people to buy it.
When someone is ready he will find me and often exactly know what he wants. Such users have more success and that’s what i am after.

About the name FF.

Mike McBain was a Godfather to name the FF’s. Since first FF was giving zap it stands for Foresters Fib.
After that we use only FF than FFA for one that gives audio output, FFV for vibration and FFZ for zaps.
Mike is the one who initiated process of designing it and was here from the start.

First FFZ was created, than few people just send me money to encourage me to make a FFA. I couldn’t refuse.
Than an user asked me if would be possible instead of zaps to attach small vibrating motor wirth 14000rpm. I draw him a circuit and later on he convinced me that it works good, so the FFV was born.

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Roulette computer inside shoe.
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Its interested how some users made smaller FFs than what I was making and giving me suggestions.
One guy made his own design and completely built it inside his shoe. He was familiar with electronics but also he was a shoemaker by profession.
After that there were newer FF versions, in usual smaller and more practical, followed with new software.

After that there were newer versions, in usual smaller and more practical, followed with new software.[/quote]

thank you good sir, that’s very informative and has cleared up quite a bit of confusion for me.

what is the first thing i should attempt to learn?

http://rouletteplace.com/index.php?topic=1019.0
http://rouletteplace.com/links/

Good to read
Laurence Scott books
Master roulette VB
Jafco VB

[quote=“forester, post:10, topic:781”]http://rouletteplace.com/index.php?topic=1019.0
http://rouletteplace.com/links/

Good to read
Laurence Scott books
Master roulette VB
Jafco VB[/quote]

well thanks forester… i just made it through the first link and now my head hurts ;D

i think i’ll need to go through it more than a few times to fully understand it, there’s a lot to take in.

regards.

My English makes it harder, sorry.

i greatly appreciate the time you’ve taken to make valuable posts such as those, your english is fine … it’s my brain that’s the limiting factor! ;D

regards.

i greatly appreciate the time you’ve taken to make valuable posts such as those, your english is fine … it’s my brain that’s the limiting factor! ;D

regards.[/quote]
Agree with joycie.English is fine,everything is explained in details but my brain just could not figure it out )) And more important that even buyng FF will not help in the game untill we get everything in our head.Keep reading and practise!

Just a comment on the name Forest Fib. We also use it as camouflage in that if it ever detected by a Casino security search we can claim the device is a new medical aid being trialled for a heart condition.

We derived it from the uncontrolled jolt that the first model delivered which was OK on Forester’s tough Croation hide but on my sensitive Tasmanian skin it felt more severe than the heart starting jolt from the paddles of a Defibrillator!

The first time it gave me a signal in a Casino at the table I yelped so loud the Croupier asked me if I was OK? Like the first time the battery went flat in the FFA earpiece and emitted a continuous loud shriek into my good ear and I couldnt get the tiny ear piece out in the toilet of the Casino so I had to drive 30 minutes home with the scream in my ear to get a pair of tweezers to remove it from deep in my ear canal.

No wonder we then did so much work on VB and other strategies!

Keep winning

Mike

Yes good old times hahahahaha. First FFZ Mike have had didn’t have zap strength adjustment so it was adjusted to suit my needs.

Talking computers earpieces suck, when I used smaller one, once it went all the way inside to my eardrum, it took me 2-3 hours to remove it.

[quote=“forester, post:16, topic:781”]Yes good old times hahahahaha. First FFZ Mike have had didn’t have zap strength adjustment so it was adjusted to suit my needs.

Talking computers earpieces suck, when I used smaller one, once it went all the way inside to my eardrum, it took me 2-3 hours to remove it.[/quote]

That’s why I prefer FFZ/FFV that don’t need earpieces.
From the first day that I read about various FF, I quickly realized that FFA could not be good for me and I moved my attention to FFZ/FFV.
They are more hidden and you don’t have to put a small earpiece in your ear canal, that you may find difficult to extract.

It’s not just an earpiece, with it you need and induction loop around your neck plus connection wires.
While it may sound cool it’s really the worst scenario and easiest to detect.

Talking roulette computers are only easier in settings. I wouldn’t say it’s even better to hear the number compared to see it on the wheel.
When a player hears the number he needs to visualize where it is on the wheel, while with FFZ/V prediction he already sees it plus he can instantly see few surrounding numbers and position in relationship to #zero.

Most people who bought FFA later on bought FFV or FFZ, it’s so much simpler.

So I think I made a good choice, focusing on FFZ/FFV.
Personally I think that settings of FFZ is relatively simple, and the fact that you can do everything with a single small unit, without any wires and earpieces, makes it great! :slight_smile:
Also clocking rotor at any place in some cases it may be decisive for time.
From what I could see I think that FFZ is also very accurate.
So I wonder about the accuracy of new FFV Acrobat! :smiley:

Personally I think that settings of FFZ are relatively simple, and the fact that you can do everything with a single small unit, without any wires and earpieces, makes it great!

Yes the setting is simple; few people reported problem setting it on short spins since it needs a bit more ball rotations because of setting additional VB2. For same reason I didn’t add VB2 to the new program.
After small practice it is easy to spot numbers under the ball at the moment of prediction. Nobody complains, but just in case the system calculates again rotor and ball movement and predicts 2 times if the player first time didn’t see it.

Also clocking rotor at any place in some cases it may be decisive for time.

Yes, it is important. Also it reduces errors in rotor clocking since the system doesn’t need rotor position but only the speed, therefore it doesn’t have to calculate rotor movement from the start of rotor clocking. Imagine 2 sec rotor and someone with talking roulette computer clocks it at 20 sec before the end of spin. That’s full 10 rotor rotations or 370 pockets movement. If he clocked one pocket wrongly (one pocket is only 25ms error on each click) that’s 10 pockets error regardless in which moment he predicts the ball. FFZ has same error but reduced if prediction is 10 sec to the end of spin under same conditions it would be only 5 pockets error.

From what I could see I think that FFZ is also very accurate. So I wonder about the accuracy of new FFV Acrobat!

Acrobat can be only better :D.
It has same set option to be as previous version but also to do much more and on a very different way.
We can compare it to as observing an object on a 2 or 3 dimensional TV.
The acrobat doesn’t predict by two dimensional curves as you probably could find at most places how the ball decelerates, but it predicts by tridimensional area.

The Acrobat needed a new hardware and I think I made a mistake. I should first make new FFZ acrobat since that’s what I like. I chose FFV first, only because I run out of FFV’s so I had to make new one anyway and some people love me for that.

I am so impatient, waiting to get the systems :-X.