Mark Howe advertises his new computer

Call it whatever you want,
Knee point, elbow point, ACC point, eye point, soft, hard, sweet …
But on one wheel is still easier to make money then on the other.

The question is why does he advertise his computer as not working on physics principle and operating it with 3 clicks?. You need at least 4 clicks if you want to have a prediction (2 for rotor and 2 for ball)…

“Inquire as to cost, but existing customers will have a massive discount! This predicts with only 3 clicks and does not need tuning, does not need you to watch the wheel, sets up after just one spin and even if the croupiers change ball, it still works!”

Forester for 1 more time you didn t understand what I am talking about !!!

“”“Are you saying Jafcos wheel is so easy that casino would stop you playing so you would play Marks wheel because you will not be able to win so much.”""

I ment that when the wheel “let” me predict at the 3d rev(because of the knee point is at the 3d) it is A LOT more spotable(by the casino) than predicting in the 5th rev.

So this reason combined with the stronger knee point is why I would prefare Mark s wheel in a REAL PLAY.

“”“Discussion we have had was on which wheel is easier to predict outcome. For that you will have to analyse or try to predict.”""

NO ! You also got that part wrongly …
I told that IF I had to chose in REAL PLAY , I would prefare Mark s wheel.

Ok 1 more time : I would prefare to play in mark s wheel because

  1. The knee point (time of prediction) is very spotable by the eyes …more spotable than Jafco wheel
    2)Because the knee point is at the 5th rev and NOT at the 3d rev as Jafcos (so more time to place bets in REAL PLAY)
  2. Because it also have a nice and dominiand scatter at 0 offset.

Ok. I hope u got me now… If not , i will not stay here and play with the words. :stuck_out_tongue:

If you would chose Jafco wheel because of the analyse that u did, its ur right to do so.

Ps. For 1 more time I will say that Both wheel are easy.

“Does not need tuning, does not need you to watch the wheel, sets up after just one spin and even if the croupiers change ball, it still works!”

Interesting,
New program I made for FF, it uses 3 clicks, but also it can use only 2 clicks. And it needs one spin to set.

“does not need tuning, sets up after just one spin”

It has wide meaning, doesn’t mean tuning might mean no need to look how ball jumps to adjust offsets or where it drops.

“Does not need you to watch the wheel”

Does it mean you do not have to watch the wheel at all or it is watching it less?
Does it mean you can play it in a team, the other person watches it so you do not have to, or you press the switch 3 times every time when you see nice lady? I mean if you do not watch the wheel why to do clicks, but if someone else is watching it then you don’t need any clicks.

“if the croupiers change ball, it still works”

It might be truth that computer still works but I am not sure how well it goes without any additional action.
Mark did bring some good ideas to this world so I hope he is not writing stupidities as when he was trapped competing with genuine winner scam.

Viper thanks to god, predictability of one roulette wheel is not defined what you believe but by parameters of on the wheel.

"By the way this wheel is a lot easier than Jafcos wheel so even my grandfather can predict it." "It has the easiest conditions I have ever seen !"

This was your words look few posts above.

If one wheel has earlier the knee point it doesn’t automatically mean it has easiest conditions to predict especially when the other wheel has much higher ball deceleration. Maybe you didn’t notice but I did, Jafco predict with 4 rev to go it is not the knee point, the knee point starts in next rev. But even where he predicts he has 150-200 ms difference in between rotations , while next rotation might be ~350ms.

Comparing this two wheels is as if one car has a maximal speed of 300km/h and the other care has 100km/h’ to win a race, you would chose slower one because it has larger windscreen so you can see better.
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“I ment that when the wheel “let” me predict at the 3d rev(because of the knee point is at the 3d) it is A LOT more spotable(by the casino) than predicting in the 5th rev.”

Wheel doesn’t tell you when to predict you can predict at any time, it depends of your skill knowledge and understanding.

When you got Jafco system you learned to predict 3 or 4 rev to go, it wasn’t based on the knee point. I remember that well, since Jafco never explained it in his system and it was one of my first bad comments about his system. Regardless how late prediction is some people were arguing with Jafcos system there is still possibility they might place few chips. I can accept that.

My point was why on earth teach people to predict when ball has only 3 rotations to drop when on most wheels in casino is easier to spot the 5th or 6th ball revolution because of the knee point.

As Kelly well explained why the ball suddenly slows down; for same reason in last few rotations that that effects stops, it makes predicting particular rotation after the knee point, harder on casino wheels.

At that time you were telling us how you were confident to eyes estimate other ball rotations, but now when you learned about the knee point that is the only place where you can predict and drop all other benefits which other wheel might give you.

To be able to play wheel and to know which one is the best to play to grab any opportunity you will have to know more than that, also be able to put it all together so you can have full picture.

Winning at casino is never easy task, but there is also many opportunities. More we know and understand we can exploit it better. That’s what the Roulette Advantage Play is.

Viper if someone plays with words its only you.
“By the way this wheel is a lot easier than Jafcos wheel so even my grandfather can predict it.”
Nobody talked here will casino ban you or will they let you place bets but what is easier to predict.

If I play Jafcos wheel, any valid method or RC I exactly know what to expect.

If you play Marks wheel you do not, and I will tell you why.
Point that you grabbed where the ball didn’t jump prom 31 spin and got significant amount of ball stops is not stable. You can’t just pick something form small sample and take it as granted.
-2 … xxxx
-1 … x
0 … xxx
1 … x
2 … x
3 and 4 hits easy for next 50 spins can be at -5 position. So you have to take in consideration surrounding hits as well. And there isn’t so many, that will reduce your advantage by about 40%.

The wheel spins showed 25% unpredictable spins…bad
Rest is hitting 2 diamonds where again you can’t have perfect prediction.

Even you can spot the knee point, it doesn’t mean that the ball will always travel same amount of rotations, on top of that time of ball travelling until it drops is not always same even if it makes same amount of rotations. Your predictions will not be so accurate as you think no matter what you use to predict especially because rotor is faster.

Timing rotor is also required which will give you more errors. While you play you may coincidently get small change at the wheel, or perhaps for some time significantly more spinners which can cause losses. Playing 5 pockets even the ball stopped there 10 times in 31 spin (the best) there is still other places where the ball stopped 21 times. Ratio is as playing dozens, often one dozen doesn’t have to come for xx amount of spins. (ignoring deviation in predicting where the ball stops which can make it worst)

Soon you may find yourself losing bankroll you have and blame ball scatter for losing or not having enough money with you to play while next to you was a wheel which with some effort could give you more stable play.

-18
-17 x
-16 x
-15
-14 x
-13
-12 x
-11 x
-10 x
-9
-8
-7 xxx
-6
-5 xx
-4 x
-3
-2
-1
0 xxxx
1
2 x
3 x
4
5 xxxx
6
7
8 xx
9 x
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18 x

Results from Marks prediction form moment he changes screen.
Interesting 4 hits at zero consists form 2 first spins then forms 2 consequentive spins in middle.
I am not sure what he tried to achieve with this video. Can’t see what he is doing so I assume he wants to predict within 19 pockets ½ of the wheel. 19:7 - win/ lose

Other way, for example playing 9 pockets there is not much to see. If we play 9 pockets around his zero prediction we get 7 hits.
That’s 0.77 hits per pocket, expected is 0.7 so it’s not much, difference of 0.07 hits is as 1:34 hit rate, winning 2 units each 37 spins.
Playing at + 3 offset would be a bit better but then taking in consideration that many rollers stopped there i am not sure what to think.

Man you really are a person that understands things in ur own manner.
I really don t think that it s because English is not ur 1st languadge. I think its just the way you think.

You have misanderstood Jafco s visual system… U have musanderstood the reason of having deferent cards (of deferent revs) and the 2 pin game valieu.( Me and Kelly have tryed to
explain to you WHY Jafco way is the best of taking advantage of the 2 pin game, but after so many years u still can t accept it)

Jafco is providing deferent cards ( 3d rev , 4th rev , 5th rev etc) because its YOUR responsibility to find the knee point !!! so when you find it (If it exists) then you chose the right card.

What did u think? that u pick a card of ur choise and say :" hey today I feel good and I will play with the 5th rev card"…or … "hey today i am tired and I will chose to play with the 3rd rev card. " :stuck_out_tongue:

The wheel is the one that tells you WHEN to predict and not your mood … IF you do NOT have a steady knee point then you can t make predictions simply because
you will not have the same remaining time in each prediction.
( and I am speaking about traditional VB here and not VB2)

I would appriciate if you would read the post 3-4 times and then give a reply, because as i see with 1 time reading you are understanding wrongly.

Ps. If you have the skills to predict with traditional VB in any revolution you like, then what can I say? You are Superman :slight_smile:

Man you really are a person that understands things in ur own manner. I really don t think that it s because English is not ur 1st languadge. I think its just the way you think.

Precisely, at list something right from you. But here they explain it as understanding more than the others so you can lead them. That’s what let me lead team to win Australian Quality Award. Once when you are on MSN I’ll show you.

Viper please point to me in Jafco’s document where he explains how to predict 5-6 rotations before ball drop which would be more reasonable time, or where he is explain the knee point. I already asked you once and you couldn’t but you still want to argue.

It was something I was explaining to you that Jafco missed, and now you want to teach me.
If I remember well Jafco made cards only for 3 and 4th rev, later on he added 5th.

You have misanderstood Jafco s visual system...
No, what Jafco explained in his ebook is only 5%, I keep it in my pocket with change.
U have musanderstood the reason of having deferent cards (of deferent revs)
No I didn't I still think cards are for retarded, no bright man will ever use them!!!Do you use them? If it can help beginners I am happy that he makes it.
and the 2 pin game valieu.
I was taking advantage form two diamonds when you din't know what roulette is. What do you think is dimond same as pin?
( Me and Kelly have tryed to explain to you WHY Jafco way is the best of taking advantage of the 2 pin game, but after so many years u still can t accept it)

He, you and Kelly. You and Kelly are two different words.

You tried to explain to me in this thread how Marks wheel is easier than Jafcos and I do not accept it. You believe I am wrong but I am not, you simply talk rubbish.

Kelly was explaining according to Jafco that only if you play at first pin you play 2 pin game, which of course is not the truth and if you think a bit deeper you will understand, also it has nothing to do what you saying.

Anyway this is a thread about Marks wheel. Writing nonsense about something else
to prove your point about Marks wheel is pointless except if you want to be arrogant.

You can think whatever you want but I do have high respect for other peoples work, as long as they do not bullshit or talk nonsense.
I can precisely see what Mark was doing and quality of prediction he is getting for ball drop point, which really is the best he could do. Why on the video he didn’t get results as Jafco; to me is obvious, but of course you can’t see it, therefore you can laugh how it is easy even your grandfather can do it.
The end.

From what Bago said; I am wondering did Mark somehow got Jefras idea and completed it before me . :o

Im Jefras mate

From what Bago said; I am wondering did Mark somehow got Jefras idea and completed it before me . :o

Id LMAO but im sure we re safe mate

[i]""""Viper please point to me in Jafco’s document where he explains how to predict 5-6 rotations before ball drop which would be more reasonable time, or where he is explain the knee point. I already asked you once and you couldn’t but you still want to argue.

It was something I was explaining to you that Jafco missed, and now you want to teach me.
If I remember well Jafco made cards only for 3 and 4th rev, later on he added 5th.""""[/i]

You have the OLD Jafco s document. The NOW is improved and speaks about the knee point.

“”"“No I didn’t I still think cards are for retarded, no bright man will ever use them!!!Do you use them?”"""

Jafco cards is the BEST way to show and explain to a newbie of HOW THE OBSERVATIONS POINTS ARE CHANGING ACCORDING TO DEFERENT ROTOR SPEEDS.
No I don t use them , simply because not every wheel has the same REMAINING time for the ball to drop. So when I play I obsearve, doing the maths and I am making Card for
the paramiters of the wheel that i am gonna play.
So YES Jafco helped me a LOT to understand the coralation between rotor speed and changing observation points…
In my opinion , the only thing that Jafco s system is missing, is the explanation of HOW to make ur own card. But after some practice and expirience, you can come to the point that you
can understand alone how to make one…
You are making fun of the Cards but you do not know that Pro players are making also cards to play big money…they name the cards “MAP OF THE WHEEL”

“”“I was taking advantage form two diamonds when you din’t know what roulette is”""

No you did NOT… You knew that If ball hits the next DD and ball stay 1 rev shorter (and the rotor is slow) that the hot zone will be same… BUT until today you do NOT know
how to take advantage of it, simply because you have claimed soooooooooo many times that its just matter of LUCK and NOT matter of skills. So you must not forget ur own claims.

Anyway this was my last post in this thread… I said all I had to about Marks and Jafco wheel…

I think 90% of what i write in here is lost in translation. Maybe even 100%. Scatterdiagrams must seperate and be made from each strike diamond and predictions be made from these specific diamond.

Marks wheel is an okay example. Look at the scattertype from 12 oclock and look at the scattertype from 3 oclock which is basicly caused by a 2mm miss of the 12 oclock diamond. If you can seperate the fast spins that hits 3 oclock from the slow ones that hits 12 oclock and you know which scattertype to expect, you can get some amazing predictions. If you mix scatters from both strike diamonds in 1 big bowl, you get a false average picture.

I will take a break, these discussions is a pain. If you do this, you have 9 pockets error, if you do that you have 18 pockets error. Yeah yeah…

""""Viper please point to me in Jafco's document where he explains how to predict 5-6 rotations before ball drop which would be more reasonable time, or where he is explain the knee point. I already asked you once and you couldn't but you still want to argue.

It was something I was explaining to you that Jafco missed, and now you want to teach me.
If I remember well Jafco made cards only for 3 and 4th rev, later on he added 5th.“”“”

“You have the OLD Jafco s document. The NOW is improved and speaks about the knee point.”

BINGO, you finally have balls to admit it. Jafco was selling system without explaining the knee point but only predicting 3-4 rotations to the end of spin. I comment it and he added it. I have nothing against Jafco recognising mistakes and corrected his system but then shut up about who understands and who doesn’t. At that time when Jafco published his system as kind of superior 3rd dimension of roulette you had no idea about the knee point.

""""No I didn't I still think cards are for retarded, no bright man will ever use them!!!Do you use them?"""" You are making fun of the Cards but you do not know that Pro players are making also cards to play big money...they name the cards "MAP OF THE WHEEL" No pro player will make card how rotor will change form particular ball rotation and that's what Jafcos cards are.

“”“I was taking advantage form two diamonds when you din’t know what roulette is”“”

No you did NOT… You knew that If ball hits the next DD and ball stay 1 rev shorter (and the rotor is slow) that the hot zone will be same… BUT until today you do NOT know
how to take advantage of it, simply because you have claimed soooooooooo many times that its just matter of LUCK and NOT matter of skills. So you must not forget ur own claims.

Oooooo Now someone start and lying or have short memory. Viper I showed you a video at google videos where I was explaining it. I told you it was long time before Jafco, you said "I know ".
Obviously you are mixing scatter overlap and when I write the ball made 5 rotations or 4.25.
Viper when ball makes 4.25 rotations it didn’t pass the targeted diamond but it stayed ¾ rotations shorter. The only difference is that I added and explained how advantage is created and when the ball makes ¾ of rotation extra (5.75). If you try to understand it then you will also understand why Jafco was wrong when saying you have to always target the first diamond.

You can try to make something of it but it is a complex process requiring a lot of skill and knowledge.
My grandfather can’t do it.

“”“Oooooo Now someone start and lying or have short memory. Viper I showed you a video at google videos where I was explaining it. I told you it was long time before Jafco, you said “I know “.”””

If you will read my post 30 times again and again , maybe you will understand that I am saying the same thing as you say…
I have told you 1 million times that you always knew about the fenomeno of the 2 pins overlap !!! Yes yes we have ALLLLLL seen in the video of FFA that you know that this
fenomeno exist …(don t worry I never forget) BUT you have said 1 million times that we can NOT take advantage of this fenomeno with VB , because the deference in miliseconds is so little that the eyes can not seperate the when the ball will hit the 1 pin or the other !(and you
say that it can be done only with a RC)
And this is ur mistake… if there is a nice decleration we CAN seperate most of the times when the ball will hit the 1 or the other pin, and this is where the advantage is comming from…

I really can not understand why you don t remember ur OWN words. :o

There is no point in explaining it to you again angain and again. But this is the shortest I can do.

There is no point in separating two things that give same result. Please try to understand what i said!!!

If I estimate 5th rotation, I am not obsessed as you to guess will the ball make 5 rotations or 4.25 because it gives me same result.

Why to separate it? Except if as Kelly says you want to go very deep in to two diamonds scatters analyses.

Do you understand that if ball makes 5 rotations or 4,25 (hits other diamond) it is same result because the rotor moves in opposite direction and ~ same number which when ball reaches 5 rotations will be under the ball if the ball hits diamond after 4.25 rotations. So why to bother?

You waste your energy on that if you want I’ll not since when I play I focus on what is the most important for me at that particular moment knowing that regardless if the ball makes 5 or 4.25 rotations I will still get ball drop at place where it was predicted.

The real critical point is will the ball make 5 or 5.25, but recognising right conditions even that might not be critical (scatter overlap).

You may look a spinning ball, think hmm this ball is making 5.25 or more [it’s faster than i want] I’ll wait one more rotation then read reference number for prediction. But what if the ball was going to make 5 rotations (5 or 5.25 is very small difference). It means predicting after one rotation you are not getting 4.25 that will closely match prediction but it will be 4 and wrong prediction. Next if the ball makes 5.75, this causes same effect as when the ball made 4.25, that’s obviously what Jafco had problem understanding.

Bragging around I can, I can I know I have skills for something not so important takes you nowhere. Spotting difference in between 5 or 4.25 there is no point and difference in between 5 or 5.25 rotations is extremely hard since 10 ms in ball time per rotation makes the difference . I am talking here about real wheel real casino conditions and not about artificial conditions and extreme wheel as Jafco used with more than 350 ms difference in between two rotations, also predicting 3 rotations before then the ball drops.

It’s not same prediction 3 rotations before the end of spin or 6,7,8,9…
When predicting early you may get difference in between rotation less than 100 ms, so imagine how much harder it is if you compare it to Jafcos 350ms. Another reason, the ball travels for longer time and it is more affected by deformations on the ball track. Same speed ball that once hits 12 o clock diamond next time might hit differently. Feel free to look will the ball make 6 rotations or 5.25 [7 or 6.25; 8 or 7,25] I will not; since in both cases I know that I play with an advantage.

“”"""""“There is no point in separating two things that give same result”""""""""

Ofcource there is no point in seperating 2 things that give the same resault.!This what you can NOT understand all these years.
Jafco, me and kelly and anyone else that plays the 2 pin game(overlap) WE DO NOT care to seperate the 5 revs from the 4.25 !!! We treat this speed as 1 speed !!!
We just care to seperate the 5-4.25 from the 6-5,25 !!!
And this is why when ball is faster then the expected moment , we let 1 more rev to pass… so for not to get the 6 revs or the 5.25 that will give us a BAD resault.

“”"“Bragging around I can, I can I know I have skills”"""
I have never bragged around… I am just explaining HOW to do it.

“”""“difference in between 5 or 5.25 rotations is extremely hard since 10 ms in ball time”""""""
With what you just said you answered by yourself the WHY we chose to aim to the 1st pin and not the 2nd ! I am glad that you said that .
If you will aim for the 2nd pin then as YOU JUST SAID u have to seperate something that can t be seperated because its only about 10 ms !!!
This is what I am trying to explain to you all those years…

The 2 pin game cares to seperate 2 things-speeds that CAN be seperated… those are the 5 and 4.25 from the 6 and 5,25.

I am really glad that YOU by urself gave the answer with ur observation (meaning that the 5 revs from the 5.25 CAN NOT be spotted.

(Firstly please exclude Kelly from your explanations since you and him are two different worlds.)

6 and 5.25
5 and 4.25

First notice that you actually predicting with one rotation accuracy and not with particular diamond accuracy as you use to claim. 6-5=1 same as 5.25-4.25 =1
But let’s focus on where is the border in between of rotations that you’ve wrote?
6…5.75…5.5…5.2…BORDER…5…4.75…4.5…4.25
As you can see the border is exactly where I told you, in between 5-5.25 . To be able to do what you said you have to decide if the ball is faster or slower than border range. Now go back and read what I’ve explained above.
Next, if I look 5 rotations from diamond at 12 than for hit at diamond at 3 o clock after 5.25 rotations, for me diamond at 12 is first diamond towards the ball, but the border I explained to you previously still exist.

So what you wrote:

"""""difference in between 5 or 5.25 rotations is extremely hard since 10 ms in ball time""""""" With what you just said you answered by yourself the WHY we chose to aim to the 1st pin and not the 2nd ! I am glad that you said that .
You only think it doesn't exist if targeting pin 1 and that you solved the problem but reality is opposite.

3+2 is same as 2+3
Same as you can say I will play when ball is 5 - 4.25 you could say I will play when ball speed ranges from 4.25 to 5, same accuracy same precision required. If you observe from diamond at 3 o’ clock and want full rotations there you can say ill play range 4 to 4.75 or 5-5.75.
Therefore playing from dimond one or two the difference is at which dimod you will adjust the best offset and use it for main observation.

Let’s look one real wheel and parameters of reasonable prediction.
Lets say 6th rotation ranging 1200ms 5th 1400 ms
Someone comes and plays targeting the rotation to have 5 revs to go.
He plays around 1100-1300ms speed range where 1200 is in middle.
Now smart Viper comes and says you are idiot you should target
1150-1300. where 1225 is middle speed.

We all watch how Viper by naked eye detecting 25 ms different ball speed range and applaud him.
Also how he makes sharp border at 1150 ms so if the ball is 1140 ms he waits for another ball rotation which means he just detected 10 ms difference in ball speed. He precisely do it for full two hours, no single mistake.
He says I told you Forester, and then he wakes up from so sweet dream.

You are an expirienced AP player and a nice RC engineer …
But you have a luck of understanding of the 2 pin game advantage .

I will not play this game any more…

While with first line I can reasonably agree with you, with the second one I can’t.

I perfectly understand all 4 diamonds at roulette wheel and 2 diamonds are only part of it.

“I will not play this game any more…”

Don’t be a kid!
If I am playing game with you I would let you win to make you happy, but this is not a game.