How hard to beat them?

Guys, if you found home casino (near home ) that you can beat 3 days a week, for how much you would milk them on daily basis to avoid heat…?

Aaahhh Sergiy

That is a great question and one that I have struggled with for many years.

Some examples…

Once upon a time my Casino introduced some Blackjack machines a little similar to a poker machines but better and with the same rules as the BJ tables.

After a few days I discovered that these machines were set so that you could win playing an accurate Basic Strategy and so I commenced taking $100 per day from them. I thought I was set for life! After about 3 weeks of playing every day and walking away with around $100 for about one hours play guess what happened?

Yes, for three days I lost about $200 per day before I realised that the machines had been adjusted so it was impossible to win. Waahhhh end of that story.

Then I found a hi fret wheel where number 32 followed zero about 10 times in every 13 shows. Whoopee again I was set for life I only played VB for minimum $1 chips and after every zero showed I backed 32 with 10 chips and this continued for weeks although I only played two days a week. Then one day MY wheel disappeared! I was almost crying, I asked the Pit Boss where it was and he said on the way to a cruise ship in the Carribean. Waahhhh end of that story.

Then I discovered that the young chap who lived over my back fence and worked as a roulette croupier could actually spin sectors on the wheel whenever he wanted. Once he demonstrated for me and actually hit his target number 3 times in four spins and because he liked me he began to make sure I always walked away winning. Great for a few more weeks then because he was so good he got promoted to Supervisor and then a big Casino in another State head hunted him for their VIP room and eventually he got sick of the job and retired. Waahhh end of that story.

Finally my wheel that was replaced this week was good to me for over one year after I had plotted 100,000 spins into my computer I found that certain numbers always followed other numbers at better than a one in 30 to one in 33 rate. Milked it slowly once or twice week so as not to raise suspicions and because it had a Velstone track and was lo frets I thought it will be there until I die. Wrong again because two days ago they replaced it with a new one.

So Sergiv, hope that answers your question!
Beause I only have one local Casino I must always look for new opportunities. If I had two or more Casino’s I would hit those winning situations with maximum bets until I was barred from playing because I am a winner.

Mike.

Mike, you are a devil!!! You temting me to follow worst of of my desires! :smiley: They already use big ball, becose wheel is biased as hell, and its connected to the betting terminal, so l have neibors bets ;D. Think about high frets haxlley 4, damn ball just drop dead or jump high, but coming back to the same area. … today lm going to kill! :-*

Best of luck Sergiv, I hope the ball keeps dropping in your numbers.
Those big soft balls are the best?
When you start to win keep increasing your bet size with their money.
Go get 'em

Mike
Interesting article on this subject here… http://www.lasvegassun.com/vegasdeluxe/2013/aug/19/don-johnson-beats-house-and-get-banned-few-million/

Thanks a lot, lm starting to play on their money :D. Nothing so exiting as suiside progression on casino money!!! Htanks for all!!! Guys you’ve created a monster

[quote=“mikemcbain, post:4, topic:998”]Best of luck Sergiv, I hope the ball keeps dropping in your numbers.
Those big soft balls are the best?
When you start to win keep increasing your bet size with their money.
Go get 'em

Mike
Interesting article on this subject here… http://www.lasvegassun.com/vegasdeluxe/2013/aug/19/don-johnson-beats-house-and-get-banned-few-million/[/quote]

Hi mike, interesting story on the blackjack. I always think blackjack cannot really be beaten, as with roulette (which we can do some calculation/VB2 things like that. In blackjack table, all cards are housed in the holder which cannot be seen. I wonder how Don Johnson did it?

majest08

Once upon a time a long while ago I was a BJ card counter and I still have my small computer which kept track of the count. I was very good at shuffle tracking when manual shoes were used before the shuffle machines. I switched from BJ to Roulette because serious BJ players are a sad bunch and there is always joy and jive at the roulette tables.

I suspect Don J was a good Basic strategy player, a good card counter and maybe played as part of a team? The days before expert surveillance players could also mark cards invisibly, use fake glasses, and a few magician type tricks. Even today there are a couple of those memory freaks playing. See http://plus.maths.org/content/os/issue31/features/eastaway/index-gifd

Mike.

Wow!!! And lm here straggling to remember 3 sets of numbers…have to use a damn roulette casino card… how Kelly does it!!! Impressive :-
I gonna give it a try…
Now l see why its easy to you your Hot gold strategy. … Firstly l was confusing myself as hell …

[quote=“mikemcbain, post:7, topic:998”]majest08

Once upon a time a long while ago I was a BJ card counter and I still have my small computer which kept track of the count. I was very good at shuffle tracking when manual shoes were used before the shuffle machines. I switched from BJ to Roulette because serious BJ players are a sad bunch and there is always joy and jive at the roulette tables.

I suspect Don J was a good Basic strategy player, a good card counter and maybe played as part of a team? The days before expert surveillance players could also mark cards invisibly, use fake glasses, and a few magician type tricks. Even today there are a couple of those memory freaks playing. See http://plus.maths.org/content/os/issue31/features/eastaway/index-gifd

Mike.[/quote]

Very interesting Mike, I don’t know if it is a bit tedious or not. I once go on a memory class, they teach that when remember the numbers, they first want you to substitute number with items from 1 to 99, then 00 to 09. You will have to be creative on that, for number “1” is a cup of coffee, “2” is a person put up a “v” using his index and middle finger, “3” is three TREES (the pronunciation of Three and tree is the same), “4” is a window that look like a big square divided by four (or what kids usually draw for windows) and so on. Usually when we memorized numbers, we go two in a pair.

Taking 1521084717127 as example, I will break it into 15(butt), 21(blackjack), 08 (dirt), 47 (AK47!), 17 (B17 - a WW2 bomber), 12 (a clock pointing 12 o’clock), 7 (the 7-11 convenience store). Then make a story, I used my butt to plant the a deck of card (blackjack) into the dirt of my garden, because the deck of card continue the face of “O ba ma”, the terrorists came to my garden with AK47 and shoot the ground but of no use, so they call in the B17 to bomb my garden, but just as the plane was about to release the bomb, it was 12 o’clock noon, I told the terrorists that I have to go for lunch and went to the 7-11 convenience store to have my lunch.

Of course, if you will to remember the whole 4 deck cards, you have to add in places together with the cards number. Lets say I used the route of going from home to work, take note of big objects or item and used it for marker. The first object I see was door, then an lift, then the lift button, then the traffic light, a newspaper stall, a school, a bus stop, a bus…Now let say the number came out was heart 4, Spades 3, diamond King, heart 3, Spades 3, club 2, Diamond king, club Jack.

So the first marker is door (when you first leave you house to work), since it was heart 4, you can imagine it as you kiss your sweet heart (girl friend/wife) through the door’s window(number 4), as you move yourself to the lift, you saw a worker using a spade to dig a hole to plant a tree(number 3), when inside the lift, you saw a King with all the diamond sew to his clothes asking you to press the ground button since the diamond are so heavy, he cannot even lift his arm and finger. Then when you hurry out of the lift and came to the traffic light which is now red, then you realised that there was a girl standing beside you carrying a pot of plant. OMG it’s jennifer lopez, your dream girl (another sweet heart)! Then you go on and came to the newspaper stall, you saw a worker with a spade trying to argue with the stall holder that he was order to plant a tree right over the stall, and he was asking the stall holder to remove the stall, of course the stall holder disobeyed. Then walking pass a school, there was a hooligan with a big club with spikes on it, collecting protection fee from the kids walking pass the gate, every time a fee is collected, he would cheerful put up a V (victory) sign. Finally you make it to the bus stop, O the diamond king is there! How he would have made it there so fast? Well he is asking you to carry him up to the bus since he was too heavy to get up. OF course you refused, but when he offers you a diamond… :smiley: . Then the bus came, but it was not the king’s wanted bus, so you leave him there and get in. There was a police(Jack) with a club in his hand, collecting fare when you get in.

I guess I have made this too lengthy, but as you can see that, even though diamond king came out twice, you know where it came out since you will be very familiar with you route from home to work, with this you can even tell what is the sequence. When I were to memorize the Chinese meridian in Chinese medicine, I have to came out all sort of route, when I am out, I have to use those in computer game, movie and even imagine one (but real one last much longer)

Hope it helps :wink:

[quote=“sergiy, post:8, topic:998”]Wow!!! And lm here straggling to remember 3 sets of numbers…have to use a damn roulette casino card… how Kelly does it!!! Impressive :-
I gonna give it a try…
Now l see why its easy to you your Hot gold strategy. … Firstly l was confusing myself as hell …[/quote]

You can try the above as I mention, it does help. Anyway, I still prefer roulette. In fact I consider myself as technical analysis-er than gambler when playing roulette.

Guys… what l exsactly struggling with is to order siguenses of nabors bets for each number on the wheel… 5 and 9 sector neibor bet, order from zero to the 36 (like on the table) with piramidal betting aka forester… if somebody has a solution to that, please help :-\

Sergiv

Do you mean that you are still struggling to know the numbers off by heart in both clockwise and anti-clockwise directions?
That is a must do starting point. When you can do that then you automatically know every neighbour.

And it is not that difficult. Just sit down with a clear head and memorise the wheel in five number sections. When you have that in one direction then do the same thing in the reverse direction

Mike.

Sorry guys, I miss that word “roulette”, I thought you all are still talking about blackjack.

Yes, mike’s way really works! I improved my memorization of the wheel greatly. But then, in real situation, the stress of recalling number quickly can be tough, so far havn’t try that out yet.

[quote=“mikemcbain, post:12, topic:998”]Sergiv

Do you mean that you are still struggling to know the numbers off by heart in both clockwise and anti-clockwise directions?
That is a must do starting point. When you can do that then you automatically know every neighbour.

And it is not that difficult. Just sit down with a clear head and memorise the wheel in five number sections. When you have that in one direction then do the same thing in the reverse direction

Mike.[/quote]No… :D… l know numbers. My problem is to place bets qweakly. If l do it by order number on the wheel, l have to jump back and forward on the table. Thats why l organaised neibor bets in 37 sections of numbers for each number on the wheel.And struggling to remember them in 123… order. So l can start to place my bets near the zero area and continue to 36. Its like , imagine zero and 8 neibors… l put 0/3, 4, 12/15, 19, 26, 32/35. The beauty of the thing is, when you do piramidal betting (like forester does). So you put 1 unit on 12 and 4, 2 units on 35 and 19, three units on 3 and 15…and so on…
What exactly makes this situation fucked up is , when l organise numbers in 123… order l dont see clearly wich position they take on the sector to bet acordingly to the piramidal shape. And if l do it by the order of wheel, l jump from one side of table to another.
I already considered solution of spliting sequence of numbers by big and small to bet with the right and left hand, or bet plane and add the call bet in the middle of the sector. Any ideas apresiated.

Sometimes is not posible to reach high numbers, because between you and number 35 is four old chinese ladies trying to build towers from chips on the table :slight_smile:
So i make call bets on high numbers and low numbers i close myself. After high number wins, i gave few chips to dealer.next times he is taking my bets with big smile.

[quote=“bix, post:15, topic:998”]Sometimes is not posible to reach high numbers, because between you and number 35 is four old chinese ladies trying to build towers from chips on the table :slight_smile:
So i make call bets on high numbers and low numbers i close myself. After high number wins, i gave few chips to dealer.next times he is taking my bets with big smile.[/quote]l know that BIG smile!!! Hahhahahahahhahah… lt should be that lady-dealler you told me befor :smiley:

Sergiy

Then what you want is just an extension of my learning method.

I have memorised the two numbers either side of every single number on the wheel. So for example when Zero is my target number I just know that the two numbers AC are 3 & 26 and the two numbers CW are 15 & 32. Similarly when my target number is 5 I know that AC are 10 & 23 and CW are 16 & 24. If you learn them in groups of five its pretty easy.

I also know my four sectors of the wheel and how I bet them if the bounce and scatter is very wide. For example Sector A I split 0-3, straight up 7, split 12-15 & 15-18, straight up 22 & 26, split 28-29, 32-35, eight chips in total. Sector B I bet 0-2-3, corner 1-5, street 19-21, split 15-18, 22-25, street 31-33, six chips in total with some opposites covered. Sector C I bet splits 5-6, 5-8, 10-11, 13-16, 23-24, 27-30, & 33-36, seven chips in total. and finally Sector C I bet straight ups on 1, 9, 14, 20, 31, 33 and if the #1 side of the sector has been dominant I will include 16 & 24 for six or eight chips total.

Once memorised it is very easy to call the bets for the Croupier and I know exactly how many chips to place on the table for the dealer and how many I can reach from wherever I might be standing.

Having said that my position of preference is standing next to the wheel or else next to #34 on a right handed table or #36 on a left handed table and finally I will play in crowded conditions if I can stand adjacent to the second dozen. I never ever sit and play because I always watch the ball spinning before placing my final bets.

Depending on how hot the numbers are I may bet two chips when I am using house money and then when I triple my bank I buy in for the next highest chip denomination etc. Things to think about.

Mike.

Ones uppon the time… There was a person called William Nelson Darnborough… nothing spesial… exept beeng the moust exceptional bet placer, as far as history knows :D. He used to cover the whole table with stacks of cheeps and gold… his lighting speed of plasing bets is legendary till today. He was starting placing bets befor ball spun and finishing almoust when the ball was falling. Never more so big amounts of money and gold was placed to the roulette table… This is what l red about this formidable gentelman. I belive he was using ds, piramidal shapes of betting, sector covering and only god knows what else, he obviosly was BIG player for some wheel wacher, whos name history do not reviled.
Basicly that is exactly where l wanna climb.
Some people here think lm crasy or whatever, just becouse my main playing affears happen online :D. But where if not online lm able to place bets how it should be done!!! To do the same bets on physical casino l would need a team just for that!!! Thats why l love togchbet terminal!!
Just imagine, if l have 0 as my prediction, l would place (considering 5 number bets sector ) 5 number sentered in 3, 5 in 15 , 5 in zero, then 0 vousins, and grand vousins of zero. Then l just start to smile as l see the ball stoping there. But how would l do something like that manually? ??? How many times you have been right on the spot in your prediction? Imagine it is payed double or tripple just for a small prise of additional unit… its the moust powerful booster for the adge discovered till now, according to me :smiley: And to place bets like this manually is my goal. If somebody discovered the way to lern such a trick, please contact me.

[quote=“sergiy, post:18, topic:998”]Ones uppon the time… There was a person called William Nelson Darnborough… nothing spesial… exept beeng the moust exceptional bet placer, as far as history knows :D. He used to cover the whole table with stacks of cheeps and gold… his lighting speed of plasing bets is legendary till today. He was starting placing bets befor ball spun and finishing almoust when the ball was falling. Never more so big amounts of money and gold was placed to the roulette table… This is what l red about this formidable gentelman. I belive he was using ds, piramidal shapes of betting, sector covering and only god knows what else, he obviosly was BIG player for some wheel wacher, whos name history do not reviled.
Basicly that is exactly where l wanna climb.
Some people here think lm crasy or whatever, just becouse my main playing affears happen online :D. But where if not online lm able to place bets how it should be done!!! To do the same bets on physical casino l would need a team just for that!!! Thats why l love togchbet terminal!!
Just imagine, if l have 0 as my prediction, l would place (considering 5 number bets sector ) 5 number sentered in 3, 5 in 15 , 5 in zero, then 0 vousins, and grand vousins of zero. Then l just start to smile as l see the ball stoping there. But how would l do something like that manually? ??? How many times you have been right on the spot in your prediction? Imagine it is payed double or tripple just for a small prise of additional unit… its the moust powerful booster for the adge discovered till now, according to me :smiley: And to place bets like this manually is my goal. If somebody discovered the way to lern such a trick, please contact me.[/quote]

Sounds like an interesting guy, it is also noble to want to develop such an ability. The only problem with it is the guy was operating in the early 1900’s, would such a skill get you very far in the modern age? If you consider betting all these chips can mean an extra edge, is that not a slighty delayed approach if considered to being more accurate with bet placement to begin with?

Maybe another option is just use call bets more often.

Are we at the same contry?
Hahhahahahahahahahhahhahahaha… Cmn brother, england is beautiful