Has anyone bought Jafco's system?


#201

One ball rotation during single spin.

For example the objective is to detect particular rotation before then ball drops.
Lets say fifth.
After you detect it every time (if you did correctly) and if ball will travel for additional 5 rotations and if it will always drop at particular place (dominant diamond) then all you need to know what is the number under the DD, then how much rotor will move in time of remaining 5 rotations. (since you already know where the ball will hit). Assuming that remaining 5 rotations will be made within reasonably constant time interval.

I’ll be away for few days, good luck.


#202

Thanks, VB is a little clearer now.


#203

Forester,
Even if i am a newbie here, i want to express my opinion about the topic that is discussed in this forum. First of all the entire thread that i have analyzed for this discussion tells me, that all you guys…jafco/scott/kelly/forester are knowledgeable enough and everybody has what i call his own flavor of VB.
I am really thrilled to know the in depth research and problem solving attitude that you guys have shown.I can understand your effort building your RC ( logic/software/hardware).
Although i wanted to know one thing from you. You have analyzed jafcos system well, and you mentioned it in this discussion that it requires lots of understanding and skill by a player.
I am trying to benchmark both approaches and would like to know that how your VB2 (once understood by a player) would in fact require less ability from the player? Does it mean that whenever a player uses your VB2 has to reply less upon factors like ball revolution…TOF and POF (as mentioned earlier here), and only focus on the rotor speed? Also you have mentioned that your VB2 should cover almost all wheels ( leveled,tilted,biased). Since you are an expert in this, i would like to know whether you tested it on various wheels, with variable rotor speeds? What are your experiences with it?
The most important thing that other people are also looking here is that do u completely rely on VB2 when you yourself play with real money, or you do a mix match of different VB’s as kelly does? Since you say that cards in jefco’s system is a good thing to start with for the newbies, what is a particular thing in your system that new people like me should look for to start up with, if we want to really master VB2.

VIPER…if you are reading this, i want to compliment you too for the kind of approach that you have shown in grasping VB. That should be really the way to go for whenever we want to learn something which is as skillful as VB. And of course as you always say, we are here to gain knowledge and share it… and not fight…i totally agree with that


#204
Although i wanted to know one thing from you. You have analyzed jafcos system well, and you mentioned it in this discussion that it requires lots of understanding and skill by a player.

Jafcos system requires from player to be capable to estimate ball speed.
It is hardest to do, if it is easy people wouldn’t try different methods to help them to identify particular ball revolution during the spin. It is hard because I can’t do it (with reasonable accuracy).

Other way the the rotor control is similar with all approaches.
Of course Jafcos cards wouldn’t work on the other wheels, it is based on only material of the ball therefore every user will have to modify cards. After understanding it shouldn’t be hard. If he wants to make cards my suggestion still is he should make them based on remaining time from particular ball revolution.

The best would be to not use them at all. With vibe he is using constant time, when rotor is observed in particular time by noticing the difference in pockets that rotor moves from spin to spin we can know how much rotor movement will deviate to the end use simple multiplication factor.
For example rotor in 2 sec made 4 pockets more. It means rotor is moving 1 pockets per sec. extra. If remaining time from targeted ball revolution is 10 sec, all we need to do is multiply rotor change (2 pockets) by 5. it is 10 pockets. Since rotor is traveling one pocket per sec faster and it will travel like that for remaining 10 sec. of course until the end of sin it will make extra 10 pockets if compared to previous spin. We adjust for it by shifting our observation point by 10 pockets in ball direction and read reference number form there.

VB2 doesn’t need to identify particular ball revolution. So player’s judgment is eliminated. It can predict equally lets say 5,6,7,8… revolutions before then the ball drops.
It is great isn’t it. But to gain something we lose something.

VB2 doesn’t like much rotor changes and fast rotor.
For example if rotor made 4 pockets more in 2 sec, if our prediction is different by 3 sec in time during the spin, regardless us make rotor adjustment we still can be wrong by 2pockets/s rotor x 3 sec = 6 pockets.

With some practice I believe ordinary person (as I am) can estimate ball speed within 3 sec during the spin (about 400 ms difference in ball speed) . To be right with estimating right ball revolution you really need skill to detect ball speed with better then 100ms difference.

Additional problem with VB2 is if we do not use electronics timer.
No matter how we count for reference time it may deviate. Also after longer play it may change, so we need to have good observation what is going on the wheel based on prediction and positions where the ball hits rotor.

Also you have mentioned that your VB2 should cover almost all wheels ( leveled,tilted,biased).

That is not the truth. Only tilted wheel, with slower rotor, 3.5 sec and slower per rotation is preferred.

Since you are an expert in this, i would like to know whether you tested it on various wheels, with variable rotor speeds? What are your experiences with it? The most important thing that other people are also looking here is that do u completely rely on VB2 when you yourself play with real money, or you do a mix match of different VB's as kelly does? Since you say that cards in jefco's system is a good thing to start with for the newbies, what is a particular thing in your system that new people like me should look for to start up with, if we want to really master VB2.

I tested VB2 more then you can imagine. I play it all the time and I do not practice any other VB…
It is never easy. VB can never be accurate as good RC. With RC is hard in most of situations then imagine VB.

If the wheel is 100 with hits on DD, if the ball jumps are small then yes.
But what you find in reality is slight tilt, it also changes, wider ball jumps that take at least 50 % of your advantage. No perfect predictions, combined with all of that requires you to be smart alert with good noticing skill to understand what is going on the table.
On top of that you fight evil which these days are very much aware of advantage players and people with late bets, they will distract you when you are winning.

I do not like to write much about wins, but lets say from start of 2010 I used VB2 few times and made nice wins. Few nights ago I have had disaster, whatever could go wrong it went wrong. I made a loss it is big loss but still small if compared to recent winnings.
It is something that we need to accept.

You may ask how I can lose?
It is simple.
Wheel wasn’t so much tilted, it was also changing, many spinners, I still have had many spins predicted ball drop point well.

2 times I missed 28 I did not have time to cover it, 28 is far on the table. Around 28 are numbers 7 and 12 I have had 4 units. Same happened with 35 two times and 4 other times something similar. To many times missed by one or 2 pockets. So many missed chances and only 2 are needed to not lose. Also chips I was playing before spin did not give any return. Sometimes during the play I left the table, on return I start playing but it took me few spins to understand that something has happened on the wheel. The game was going up and down due to explained, I couldn’t progress, mostly losing then catching up. The last dealer told me sir no man can track my spins (he was smartly changing rotor speed).
Then come my unprofessional part. Be or not to be. Increase bets play few spins and go home.
On the way out manager stopped me and suggest me that I should register with them, something as, with amounts you play you can get many reward points. LOL sure.

Lose is not always lose, it is part of the game to stay in the game. This time it was only double then what I would tolerate.

This story is written with good will for people who think that VB advantage play is a miracle, please do not misinterpret it. :wink:


#205

[quote author=Forester link=topic=580.msg7612#msg7612 date=1263434671]

I do not like to write much about wins

You may ask how I can lose?
It is simple.

This story is written with good will for people who think that VB advantage play is a miracle, please do not misinterpret it. :wink:

Forester,
First of all thank you for taking out your valuable time in reading my post, and making those important remarks. I have been reading the posts meticulously to get some gist out of it, and i haven’t found you describing so much about your wins. I feel that these words are very important for every new beginner to interpret that loss is a part of game to be in the game. Now lets get a little technical here…

[quote author=Forester link=topic=580.msg7612#msg7612 date=1263434671]

VB2 doesn't like much rotor changes and fast rotor. For example if rotor made 4 pockets more in 2 sec, if our prediction is different by 3 sec in time during the spin, regardless us make rotor adjustment we still can be wrong by 2pockets/s rotor x 3 sec = 6 pockets.

That is not the truth. Only tilted wheel, with slower rotor, 3.5 sec and slower per rotation is preferred.

Now when you say the above sentence, we are making a healthy estimation that in order for VB2 to work properly, the rotor changes should be as minimal as possible, plus the factor that the rotor should be slower or equal to 3.5 sec. The point which i want to make is how can you guarantee that these conditions will be true. With so much changing technology and research involved in wheel making, how is it not possible that those 2 factors will not change. On the website of John Huxley (TCS), they are showing new ways for the casinos to record every spin into a database, which will have sufficient business intelligence (BI) tools running on them to alert the HOUSE and manipulate the rotor speed …may be for every spin. Your estimation of the remaining revolutions of the ball may not be correct in these cases, as there are constant inner software ways to control that rotor.
Again you use the phrase Only tilted wheel here. Now practically many players including the legends like Scott (who mainly plays in Vegas/Nevada), and kelly have mentioned that tilted/biased/dirty wheels are very hard to find, and with new innovations in the technology they will be harder and harder to find due to increase maintainence schedules by the casinos.
The question is in then how do u define tilted wheel? Is it the wheel which has most hits on any particular DD/pins…or something different, or you just assume it? How many spins do you yourself prefer to record or watch at the wheel, before you declare that it is tilted? ( I remember you mentioning in one of the forums that you really do not wait or record too much of spins, before you actually get on playing with your real money)

VB can never be accurate as good RC

This thing i would suppose as a quite obvious fact. Even if we talk extraordinary things about FFA…FFZ, the questions remains, are we allowed to use them in real casino conditions??? The answer to this question is a big NO. First of all it is not legal …le.g they have passed a law in Las Vegas, and it will never be…in many parts of the world. I have also read a forum where you yourself (even if you have built a RC) have generously appealed people to not use the RC. This is good part in you. Even if you haven’t heard of anybody caught that way, i would say that you are in big danger when you actually get caught, which could screw your career and may be your dreams to become rich, if your name comes in one of those griffin or private organization books, which is circulated world wide in many casinos

VB2 doesn't need to identify particular ball revolution. So player's judgment is eliminated. It can predict equally lets say 5,6,7,8.. revolutions before then the ball drops.
Now could you explain how is that possible? With constant varying factors affecting against a player....how can you do that effectively?
Jafcos system requires from player to be capable to estimate ball speed. It is hardest to do, if it is easy people wouldn't try different methods to help them to identify particular ball revolution during the spin. It is hard because I can't do it (with reasonable accuracy).

Now with so many factors, and the technology controlling the rotor speed, maintainance and the tilt of the wheel, dont you think that the BALL speed is the only thing which the technology cannot control (since it is spiinned by a dealer …a human), which we should look for, when we predict. I do aggree that the size and material of the ball will decide its bounce and trajectory, and also the speed, but i want to say that it is the only parameter in all these set of parameters (rotor/wheel), that is on our side, and is controlled by a human ( the croupier/dealer).

As always…i still recon you as a gentleman, and i have huge respect for you as an advantage player…so thank you for reading this one too :slight_smile:


#206
Now when you say the above sentence, we are making a healthy estimation that in order for VB2 to work properly, the rotor changes should be as minimal as possible, plus the factor that the rotor should be slower or equal to 3.5 sec. The point which i want to make is how can you guarantee that these conditions will be true. With so much changing technology and research involved in wheel making, how is it not possible that those 2 factors will not change. On the website of John Huxley (TCS), they are showing new ways for the casinos to record every spin into a database, which will have sufficient business intelligence (BI) tools running on them to alert the HOUSE and manipulate the rotor speed ...may be for every spin. Your estimation of the remaining revolutions of the ball may not be correct in these cases, as there are constant inner software ways to control that rotor.

It is not the software who decides about rotor speed but it is the dealer. It is my choice when to play. If rotor changes in between 3.5 to 4.5s it is not the problem. You also need to understand that when deciding to start vb2 during the spin i explained if I do it within 3 sec. I may be wrong 6 pockets. But it ould be that 70 % of times I am starting it within 1.5s. It is up to 6 not always wrong 6. 6 pockets deviation is not bad.

Again you use the phrase Only tilted wheel here. Now practically many players including the legends like Scott (who mainly plays in Vegas/Nevada), and kelly have mentioned that tilted/biased/dirty wheels are very hard to find, and with new innovations in the technology they will be harder and harder to find due to increase maintainence schedules by the casinos. The question is in then how do u define tilted wheel? Is it the wheel which has most hits on any particular DD/pins........or something different, or you just assume it? How many spins do you yourself prefer to record or watch at the wheel, before you declare that it is tilted? ( I remember you mentioning in one of the forums that you really do not wait or record too much of spins, before you actually get on playing with your real money)

Yes I do not wait much because I already know the wheel. But when you take full picture, playing small bets at start is same as waiting. Yes it is harder and harder every day. But I did not find harder to find tilt, but harder with some kind of wheels where ball jumps are wider.
Yes RC are illegal to use. VB2 is something I did long time ago, but did not finish it fully. When thanks to some fags my name come across the net I worked more on it.
I found it most suitable VB for myself.

Quote VB2 doesn't need to identify particular ball revolution. So player's judgment is eliminated. It can predict equally lets say 5,6,7,8.. revolutions before then the ball drops.

Now could you explain how is that possible? With constant varying factors affecting against a player…how can you do that effectively?

HEHHEHE, because the system is designed that way. It uses time reference that matches the distance that rotor made during difference in our starting time with amount of pockets that will be indicated during that reference time.
For example we play one spin get reference number and prediction.
Next spin we by mistake start 2 sec earlier. So if we just pick up reference number as with traditional VB and if rotor is 10 pockets per sec we would be wrong by 20 pockets. VB2 cancels that 20 pockets and still gives us the same reference number as we were taking reference number 2 sec later.

I do not understand why you are saying technology is controlling rotor speed. No it doesn’t, so I assume you are talking about automated wheels.


#207

Forester,
Thanks for your reply. I think i am gonna start a project about benchmarking your VB2, by adding my little experiments into it. You have already mentioned several times that your VB2 is completly free, and documented somewhere.
Could you message me the link, or may be a PDF of your VB2. I will read it in detail tonight. I am really getting thrilled about your way of prediction. You are already a GURU to me, but if your VB2 starts making more sense to me…then i will be a loyal student of yours forever.
Kind Regards


#208

http://www.myrulet.com/index.php/myrulet-visual-prediction.html


#209

Having seen a personaldemonstration on both the Visual and Computer system i was convinced that Jafco’s system was a well thought out and not overly complicated system. On my first night using the visual system i won £4500 with a float of £100. Now that was more than just luck!. It is not always as simple as that but there is more to Jafco’s system that just ballistics, and he gives very good instruction on all aspects of play.

I can thoroughly recommend it and he is a genuine gentleman and enthusiatic about teaching his system and he wants you to win!

Good luck


#210

Interesting,

I looked few of his systems and I can comment only what I could read from what people have received when they purchased it.

“there is more to Jafco’s system that just ballistics”

I did not see anything more in any of documents.
Actually I did not see even ballistics since he has no way of identifying particular ball revolution. He only teaches people to guess it.

"On my first night using the visual system i won £4500 with a float of £100. Now that was more than just luck! "

So you were guessing well :smiley: I wish I can do it.

Can you explain how could you just watch the wheel and accurately guess right ball revolution?


#211

I never blocked Kelly he was always free to express his opinion and he still is.
After we had disagreement he decided to not post any more.
Fair enough but he is going around other forums and writing as if he is talking to me.

I assume he wants me to replay. Since all started here and everyone can follow posts I will do it here.

"The show goes on and on an on and on............ .

Its obvious to everyone how forester twists everything so im not gonna reply forever.

How about “Maybe he drinks too much”, What a crappy remark from someone who claims to be serious. I bought 2 crates of Carlsberg (60 cans) for a larger family dinner in April 2009 and I still got 35 left 11 months later.

Good to know, I did not say you drink but I said maybe you drink and in such case sometimes confuse people. Few months ago you wrote at other forums that I can’t understand LS cross over. Why. I point to you post where we were discussing it years back and you agreed with mw 100%, I point to you post where Laurance made a comment on my explanation that he wouldn’t explain it better himself. You stayed confused and without explanation. You never apologized. I am positive you mistaken me with MH so if you were not drunk there must be something else.

Obviously if it was what you could call a 1 1/2 pin game with 1 diamond obviously more dominant than the other, you would go for the one with the largest return. On that point we actually agreed but forester wouldn't have it. Kelly not understands. Actually forester just tried to cover his mistake, because he knew he was wrong when there were no dominant diamond. So he invented the dominant diamond and wow lets go for that one. Sure Einstein, but that was not the topic.

Kelly, you accused me for attacking Jafcos system with no reason, (just because he is competitor)
Here you admitting that what I was saying were correct. You do not go for first diamond in order as Jafco was explaining in his document but for one that is the most dominant one. Previously you clearly stated same as Jafco that you play 2 pin games only if you go for first diamond. It is not the truth. But I am glad you start understanding that even if you select second diamond as your reference you still play 2 pin games and take advantages from the other diamond. If that is the case then 2 pin games is something what is happening on the wheel and it has nothing to do with anyone’s system.

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It is a small chart; I received it from member as you know it. Anybody could make few lines and numbers. I do not know from where he got data from.

As for taking credit for being the first one to discuss wheel speed and scatter with Barnett and Gordon,

“You were not here long enough but years back I was the first one who brought this issue to public. First time I talked about it with Bob Gordon and Barnett when we had some discussions. Did you ever see at any other place any graph or data about deviation of ball jumps? No you did not. But you probably did see some smart heads trying to be smart.”

you are waaaaaayyyyyyyyyy behind. Im quite sure both Barnett and Gordon had been working on that part for years before it dawned to you. Basieux already mentioned it in 1985 - 86 and had a chart in a book in 1989. Kaisan has had it in his analysis since 1986. You were probably 12 years old then.

Feel free to twist this one. If you twist it enough I might even reply again, but frankly im not gonna waste too much time on you. "

Kelly you are the one who said we discovered it just now,
When I said first I do not mean first in the word, nobody would be able to know who was the first. If I told you MB and BG then you can know it is years back. So why you say just now. You should know that in Delvelopment section you are the one who published graphs 3 years ago and we discuss it then.
Here is the link http://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,85.0.html
Published at September 28, 2006, …3.5 years ago :o

But in boys club I published similar graphs with increased ball back bouncing on fast rotor much earlier. Obviously you have a short memory even forgetting your own publishements and discussions. (Ok, it’s not because excessive drinking)

What I was trying to say is that same person who convinced you that if he enters times that rotor takes for each rotation in to his computer manages scatter deviation even when it is negative, never ever published anything regarding that matter, same as Mark Howe never did. I did not see it in Jafco’s document, i can’t remember seeing it in LS. I did test with FF showed predictions 10 rotations before then ball drops Stefano claims he did it long time ago. Where did you ever see it?
Same with graphs of scatter deviation.

Surprises me that after so many years on public forums as an AP you can’t understand that building with computer chart with predicted number and final ball stop simply can not define scatter deviation based on rotor speed in not even close time needed for the player to respond.
Regardless, did you ever see any other computer giving multiple predictions in any ball rotation during the spin? I did not so if you did please let me know so I do not say the FFA is first.

After you disagreed with me on 2 pin game and after you couldn’t understand VB2 you decided to leave. It is ok with me but you are the one who goes around and writes about me and in most cased you are trying to discredit me with false statements. If you couldn’t understand VB2 and how I was explaining it why didn’t you ask Snowman or Jefra to help you understanding, you know them don’t you?
If it is truth that in 2 pin game you go for most dominant diamond then why you accuse me of discrediting jafco just because he is an competitor if he is the one who suggested player has to go for the first diamond.

Interesting enough to punish me you go to scammer’s forum where he discredits everything and anything that talks and thinks. Not only on forum but on every web page he makes. You were long enough here and you remember well how and why Stefano was using RSR when he was lying and pretending to be someone else giving false reviews discrediting all competitors with false statements. But list goes on and on you know a lot but you simply want to be double faced person. Stand up to be counted, or be forgotten. :-*

When this thread becomes hot I moved it to forums private section in respect to Jafco.
He asked to put it back to public. And Kelly is accusing me of discrediting Jafco, where is logic in all of that? If Jafco at any time changes his mind I will move it away.


#212

Until the FFV U to come and for stefano to deside when he would like to do the live test with his RC I test a lot the Jafco s VB. :smiley:

1)I tested in Forester videos where he is testing the new FFA U.

I just took Jafco s Card for thr 4th rev out. I observed 3-4 spins in order to train my eyes to spot the 4th rev and I started testing.

I just did 8 spins…there was no reason for more.
Without even needed to shift hours from the fixed observation points that Jafco provides the resaults were these:

1st spin: I missed by ONLY 1 pocket
2nd spin:the prediction was In the BEST advantage position but as some times in Forester s wheel the ball is bouncing back so I missed by 5-6 pockets.
3d spin : SPOT ON!
4th and 5th spin :ball bounced back
5th spin missed by ONLY 2 pockets.
I was very suprised when teh FFA U were making mistakes because Foresters wheel is VERYYYYY easy in all…decleration of ball ,TILT and scater…all 100% managable.
No ofence Forester but as U know I always speak the truth.

[b]2nd test and Harder!!!

Stefano s wheel [/b]

I had to take advantage of both pins(like Jafco system is supossed to take advantage of)
In this wheel the right rev spotting is harder! because of smooth decleration of the ball.
I observed 10 spins and I started.
This time I used an other card and I was aiming at the pin that jafco advices in his system(I can t say how because it is a copyrited material)
I observed from the firsts predictions that I needed to shift prediction by +3 hours…because of bigger scater.
That was it!!!
even if my prediction to the correct rev in that wheel was 65% of the times correct…The margin was +

I played around 20 spins and I predicted 1 spot on,2 spins with 2 pockets miss and 1 with 3 pockets miss.
all the others was more far because of wrong prediction of rev or of hitting in an other diamond exept my aims or of diferent scater

I was very curious If the cards are going so well in other wheels too!!! :o

what I did was:
I opened Youtube and I found any spin of any wheel of casino that i could find!(even the one that it is on a TV channel…LOLOL)

The resaults were very good there TOO!!
I was watching the spin and i was watching in which diamond was hitting…Because I wanted to see If in these wheels the CARDS would gonna give me advantage TOO of the correct observation point.
The cards are very OK…the only thing that any player should observe is the scater and + or - some houres IF it is nessesary.Like all VB do and like all RC do.

Now about the correct prediction of the rev…as forester say…crossovers (LS) aren t practical to use adn he is right.
so in all VBs the only thing that we can so is training in every wheel until we will be able to ptop it the most of the times.

thats it…
I needed before live from here to give to the public as many reviews of the systems that i have.

ps. The Cards aren t nessesary when U will make all the nessesary calibrations with the scatter accordint to the cards…from there it is easy to remember the relations between the changes in rotor spped…
But the cards are Vital in order to make faster and less calibrations because they are made FOR THE BEST GIVEN ADVATAGE POSITION.

I have also promised to the public that I will test the FFV U…

lets see If it is good…and if it is good…is it gona be better than Jafcos vb?

I had underestimte Jafco s VB…Forester helped in this…LOL…because I thought that it was almost only for Jafco s wheel…
and thats why i did tests in other wheels.


#213
I had underestimte Jafco s VB..Forester helped in this..LOL....because I thought that it was almost only for Jafco s wheel.... and thats why i did tests in other wheels.

That’s not funny, I have no much nerves for rubbish.

You speak with Jafco all the time, now you blame me for not understanding his cards earlier. Obviously you did not read when I said that cards will match since last 3 rotations that ball makes wouldn’t deviate much in time on different wheels. On one wheel it may be 5 sec even if on the other it is 6 is it only a matter of positioning card.

You sent me good bye email assaulting my character.

I really do not need that in my life.
Since that is your beliefs about me after so many hours we talked I have no intention to influence it. 10 days ago I had to block you on msn, I told you for 10 days because I can’t just talk with you every day. Bu it relished it should be forever. I should focus on quality.

Obviously want same since you feel that I’ve only mislead you.
Good luck with cards.

I will just close your account.

Still friends as civilized people living with different opinions and interests.

Referring to your email.
If you ever say to anybody how some big wins were made then you are an idiot.

I’ll email you instructions as promised and that’s about it.

At http://myrulet.com main page you have list of many other roulette forums you can join.

It’s not matter of this post it is only last drop in a full cup.
Talk to you in 6 months time if you are still around.


#214

So what is the final verdict on Jafco?

I understand that it is competition to Forrester. Especially the electronic part of it I guess.

Yet, I wouldn’t mind having that info as well. Information is power. Or should I say good information is power!

Kind regards
Toxic


#215

It looks as you will have to make your own opinion. :-*


#216

;D Hi Forrester,

I might get Jafco in the future simply because of interest in all methods. I believe what works better for the one might not work that great for the other. And vica versa. Having said that, I really like E2 although I have no timer and I’m counting I realize that I might pretty much loose accuracy this way.

Any suggestions where I can find a good metronome watch that would be ideal for such timing? Furthermore I would also like to get to know VB2 better and see how that goes. I realize VB2 is for tilted wheel where E2 is for level wheels.

One question about VB2. When the wheel is kicked up and the ball is spun. How early in the spin do you make your prediction. 3rd,4th,5th revolution? Also your reference point. (Where your timing starts ) Would that be the DD?

Thanking you in advance.

Toxic


#217

[quote=“Toxic, post:216, topic:303”];D Hi Forrester,

I might get Jafco in the future simply because of interest in all methods. I believe what works better for the one might not work that great for the other. And vica versa. Having said that, I really like E2 although I have no timer and I’m counting I realize that I might pretty much loose accuracy this way.

Any suggestions where I can find a good metronome watch that would be ideal for such timing? Furthermore I would also like to get to know VB2 better and see how that goes. I realize VB2 is for tilted wheel where E2 is for level wheels.

One question about VB2. When the wheel is kicked up and the ball is spun. How early in the spin do you make your prediction. 3rd,4th,5th revolution? Also your reference point. (Where your timing starts ) Would that be the DD?

Thanking you in advance.

Toxic[/quote]

mmmmm Im sure forester could make top of the range THUMPER

He has the quilifications parts etc ,maybe not worth his while,

what you say Boss??? it does seem to be the only device you dont make for the battle against roulette useing VB


#218

Hi Securityman and Forrester,

Yes I would be interested in such a device. I do think though that a watch makes more sense than a normal thumper device simply because it is an everyday item and shouldn’t draw attention from the casino.

What is your thoughts on this?

Kind regards
Toxic


#219

Ofcource ,a watch would be ideal,my mate has three!!! just incase he loses them etc

totally covert,but hwere to buy them i simply dont know ,forester did make a ost about this with photo of watch,watch had barometric presure,temprature and i think it was thumper too,but cant seem to find the post mate

ok try forester and ill ask some of the rest of the crew

cya

ok just found link,sadley i dont think its what your looking for :frowning: :frowning:

http://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,844.msg7714.html#msg7714


#220

Hi Securityman,

Yeah mate. That isn’t the one I’m looking for. I did find one onthe net called"feel the beat" I will attach a pic of it.

I guess though that it does not help too much that there is written on the watch face “Feel the beat” and “Metronome” …Not too covert!

Kind regards
Toxic