…just as long as you haven’t plagiarised jafco, we should be good ;D
Forester;, as told befor just relax and let me send you things he teaches now. Probably you gonna like it. I appreciate his resent publications, not the outdated ones.
Now he gives method of identifying particular ball rotation wich is much more presise then lourence one. Well, it is so in my tweak , but he actually mentioned this possibility ( almoust indirectly).
Have you seen his overlaps chart? Yes, l know that you described it befor, l give you a credit for that. And who invented the damn thing was Edward Thorpe. Doesn’t matter, he gives general compriention of what overlaps are and how to deal with them.
Its a good place to start for newbuy.
A chance for some of you seasoned roulette gurus to laugh at my expense…
On a number of occasions, I had predicted a number using jafcos system and got the ball exactly half way across from the prediction. After reading the material closely, it seems like i need a lesson in Overlap :)… Luckily i never betted more than £1 
and any losses were from profit i made from the vb hit that worked
I appreciate his resent publications, not the outdated ones.Put it this way, Stefano’s Genuine Winner, first he claimed is based on a [u]secret golden spiral found in nature[/u] that he discovered and could implement on roulette. Made a stories how he extremely rich. He sent me an email how he is always surrounded by 6 armed securities to protect him, how he is developing electronic kidney etc. When he couldn’t continue with scam any more he come up with new story, how he teaches LS VB and bias in his system. While before people complained that they were scammed now they can’t, can they?
With Jafco all I could see heavy Google advertisement and misleading videos, and hear, well it works on Jafcos wheel but not in casino, same for his RC or VB. Sure I understand all problems associated with predictions but products are far below expectations.
“Have you seen his overlaps chart? Yes, l know that you described it before, l give you a credit for that. And who invented the damn thing was Edward Thorpe. Doesn't matter, he gives general compriention of what overlaps are and how to deal with them. Its a good place to start for newbuy. “
It is not a matter who talked about that first. Problem is that Jafco claimed it as his system and something new. It is as if someone says I have new the best system to travel 20 x faster which will give you the edge over the others. You buy it and he explains you how to buy a car so instead of up to 20 km/h walking or cycling you can travel 200km/h. Well perhaps he didn’t know that other people dive cars as well.
[quote=“ammaad, post:279, topic:303”]A chance for some of you seasoned roulette gurus to laugh at my expense…
On a number of occasions, I had predicted a number using jafcos system and got the ball exactly half way across from the prediction. After reading the material closely, it seems like i need a lesson in Overlap :)… Luckily i never betted more than £1 and any losses were from profit i made from the vb hit that worked :)[/quote]
You are funny. Consider yourself lucky if it in 100 spins the ball ends on the other side less then 45 times.
Maybe Jafco is not so nice.
I received an email form Jafco saying that even he believes in free speech, still insisting that my comments needs to be immediately retracted, he believes it is a deformation and threatening with compensation. He explained that what he describes in his document is his findings and that he wasn’t aware abut similar explanations of similar principles in other books or public forums. I’ll not publish his email since he didn’t asked me to do so, and I personally think it is degrading. But I will publish my answer.
Someone I know well told me that you’ve called my computer a dinosaurs compared to yours PDA which makes someone dishonest. Even Mark Howe admitted after 15 years selling PDA’s and mobiles as roulette computers that they are useless. He has on his site that they are useless, I have written disadvantages on FF roulette computers especially on talking FFA. Do you have on yours? If not don’t you think someone may purchase it without understanding? Actually who am I to give you lessons on ethics?
I also believe in free speech, so I speak my opinion, and it is not as you described because for long, there were not discussion about your subject. If you mean long that I said something about few years ago then again recently it doesn’t mean it is my job do to something as that but that in each discussion about same subject I have same opinion. If my opinion doesn’t match your expectations I cannot help with that.
It is interesting that you send me an email and not correcting anything that I wrote about your system, but explaining why it is as I have said. Obviously you very well know that each point I explained is correct. It is a forum thread, open for discussion, as you can see there are arguments representing different opinions. You would be correct complaining if in any way I edited the posts which do not support my arguments but I did not.
Someone else said, “I appreciate his resent publications, not the outdated ones.”
What does it mean? Same as I have said, but he also speaks positive about it, leaving impression that it is worth buying it, especially updated version. Did I remove hi opinion because it doesn’t suit mine, did I tried to force him to change his opinion as you trying to do? Of course I did not. It stays there for general public information. Someone may have your system read what I wrote and if it is dishonest or wrong it would only compromise myself, isn’t it. It is not a deformations as you believe but if you still think that it is and that you are entitled for compensation, there is nothing I can do for you. Rest is up to you.
It is ridicules from you to expect me to change my opinion or immediately retract my comments as you asked me to, but you are welcome to argue it or to write your opinion at the forum. Just don’t expect me to agree. If you want I can add your email to the post as your opinion however I believe it is not right to make any threats or pressure on someone that didn’t say a single wrong and manipulative thing about your system. The only one making manipulation to public is yourself with videos about accuracy of prediction which do not even closely represent reality of real casino play.
How can you say for constructive criticism and logic explanation of facts be too far? I never used word “plagiarist” but only explained that what you described in your system was already described. That relates to two diamonds overlap, identifying tilted wheel, understanding tilted wheel affect, and targeting particular ball rotation for prediction. If that is known and used then what is new?
We call it a traditional VB, and I didn’t meet a single VB player who were not already familiar with all of that. I am sorry but if you decided to divide year to 12 months 52 weeks and 365 days without knowing that it is already in use, it doesn’t mean that it is your calendar but Romans. How I can be wrong if saying it is already done by Romans? Somewhere in primary school as advanced mathematician I discovered sign and cosign, didn’t take me long to lean that it is already in use. Lucky I didn’t publish a book about it.
Why do you think I cannot say that if I read your document and already know everything since it is already explained in other documents or even public forums, that I am disappointed because it is only an explanation of something already explained? Some people say it is a nice explanation, I don’t argue, since it is a nice explanation. I also believe it is your own explanation and not copied. Simple as that.
My disappointment is because you advertised it as a something new. If you were not familiar with any publications on the subject as you explained that you’ve discovered it by yourself it is new only for yourself but not for the public to which you were selling it. Now when you know it is not new will you rectify the mistake? If not, does it mean you prefer sales instead of the truth?
I’ve never said that your cards were used before however I do have my negative opinion on them.
@ Forester, send Jafco to f…k off and please focus on the Timer ;D. I take all good words about him back. Such an unpleasant person!!!
Reading such email than trying to understand what did author trying to say, that thinking and writing what to answer if time consuming job. Still I lose more time with BB but from his 100 posts at least one move things forward. Past few years things a quiet. Mark switched from mobile phones RC to something similar as FF, Stefano is quiet, there is no even complains about him. That saves a lot of time and makes me happy. Jafco was Ok, once before he sent me an email but there wasn’t any threats just an attempt to reconsider my opinion. I cannot, it is what it is, however I recognize that it can help someone who has no idea about VB.
I am a bit confused with what he really wants, perhaps for me to say nothing so he can keep impression based on his videos how with his system is easy to win when what he presents is too far from reality on casino wheels.
What many people do not know but I do is that some of Ritz team players or associated with them still playing, in UK as well, there is no more wins of 1.3m but there are wins of few thousands a week.
It passed years from famous Ritz team wins in casinos. For which money they would invite “strangers” to their home and teach them to play as them?
Based on Jafcos videos he would be more skilled than a Ritz team players, so who can explain to me why would someone so skilled spend 5 hours with Ammaad in comfort of his home to sell the system?
When I say winning in casino is far more complicated and harder than often it is presented from people selling the system, how wrong I can be?
Update… I have managed to get a +ve margin. Never needed a bankroll of more than £40. The system works. One needs practise and patience. I am still learning on how to make my adjustments as ball conditions change, dealers signature change, different wheel type. Also need to be able to spot conditions changing earlier.
As a user i don’t care who invented the roulette wheel. I don’t care for book authors. I don’t care for anything but results. With Jafcos system i got the results after putting in hours of practise. As a customer and a total newbie to roulette, I will know this as Jafcos system.
I hope to be able to review other methods but for now I want to make more money… Thanks for all ur help guys.
[quote=“ammaad, post:285, topic:303”]Update… I have managed to get a +ve margin. Never needed a bankroll of more than £40. The system works. One needs practise and patience. I am still learning on how to make my adjustments as ball conditions change, dealers signature change, different wheel type. Also need to be able to spot conditions changing earlier.
As a user i don’t care who invented the roulette wheel. I don’t care for book authors. I don’t care for anything but results. With Jafcos system i got the results after putting in hours of practise. As a customer and a total newbie to roulette, I will know this as Jafcos system.
I hope to be able to review other methods but for now I want to make more money… Thanks for all ur help guys.[/quote]Could you define please, what is for you " dealler signature change"?
Internet is full of testimonials like that, should try something new.
Internet is full of testimonials like that, should try something new.[/quote]Do you think ammad is jafco? That would be funny :). !
I wouldn’t know, I even don’t know his voice only occasionally someone comes to forum to tell us how he spent with Jafco few hours claiming that he is a nice guy. On videos Jafco doesn’t talk, doesn’t explain, only showing how he wouldn’t need much money to win.
Let’s say there are many honest people who do not have a need to come to forum, to ask for advice, but have a need to tell the world how they just bought or have a good roulette system. It is a phenomenal for roulette. When someone buys a roulette system and need only 40 pounds to win obviously the system is so good, since often I need far more than that. It is I not nice to be a skeptical about people maybe I should read Jafcos document again, who knows maybe I missed something.
[quote=“forester, post:289, topic:303”]I wouldn’t know, I even don’t know his voice only occasionally someone comes to forum to tell us how he spent with Jafco few hours claiming that he is a nice guy. On videos Jafco doesn’t talk, doesn’t explain, only showing how he wouldn’t need much money to win.
Let’s say there are many honest people who do not have a need to come to forum, to ask for advice, but have a need to tell the world how they just bought or have a good roulette system. It is a phenomenal for roulette. When someone buys a roulette system and need only 40 pounds to win obviously the system is so good, since often I need far more than that. It is I not nice to be a skeptical about people maybe I should read Jafcos document again, who knows maybe I missed something.[/quote]Sometimes 40 pound is enough. I use such session bankroll. Need some good hitts to rase betts.
But to belive that newbuy would do it… lm sceptical myself.
Never know what kind of wheels/ conditions they have there dow. Jufco still advocate 2 second use for rotor, wich l find not enough. However his charting method is good, it permitts see qweak what is going on the wheel.
Even Jafco himself says that proficiency in using his method will come with practice. I myself find that its not the method that permitts to winn ( they all are pritty similar) , but sett of gavorable conditions together with wheel characteristics.
Never needed a bankroll of more than £40.Never and sometimes are two very different words.
[quote=“forester, post:291, topic:303”]
Never needed a bankroll of more than £40.
Never and sometimes are two very different words.[/quote]l found one wheel with huge diamonds in action currently. When they use teflon ball, game become borring :). There even 20 would be enough. So sad its not connected to betting terminals >:(
sergiy
i find that some dealers will have the same rotor speed per direction and similar ball speeds. if a dealer spins the rotor fast then i add some offset to jafcos cards. so when a new dealer comes i need to recalibrate. i do not have any data on whether the dealer change will cause changes in pin dominance. it something i will work on after getting ysed to the basics.
i am not jafco as he is caucasian… i am an indian by ethnicity. happy to switch on a web cam and wave for you sergiy
40 single straight up bets is more than enough to bring in winnings. i bet only single chips at a time while i am learning. when i get better i will bet more… it wont be long before my wife insists on me raising my bets anyway. she was skeptical up until she saw my predictions… i don’t really need anyone here to believe me. just giving some honest feedback as the topic thread is about jafcos system.
one day i will attempt to learn vb2 and see how viable it is. hope to be able to review it without some numbnut accusing me of being forester.
someone offered to give some advice on card memorisation… please advise me
if i cant win 1 of 40 straight up bets then its not a lucky day either… . cheaper to stay in bed
if you mean average scatter per wheel type, my answer is no. i simply recalibrate my jafco card. it has varied from 3 pockets less scatter to 9 pockets more scatter. i recalibrate when i consistently miss and i try to analyse a mean and mode of difference in both directions. at the same time i like to understand if i should be playing at all. eg a 2s rotor is inaccurate for me. i would rather walk and not bet. i know this method may not be to the liking of puritanical mathmaticians but it been effective for me so far. except for certain huxley wheels with yellow ivorine balls and very deep pockets… i dont play these tables or waste my time analysing. my main concerns are trying to uphold basic disciplines and try to keep away from newbie mistakes that can harm margin. i look to more experienced players here for those pearls of wisdom.