Ok , now I don’t have the time to read all agin so before my last play ( I’m leaving today),
the rotor make one rotation in 3 sec it’s 12.3 pocket/sec if apply 2 sec the rotor move 24.6 pocket let’s say 25 pocket
Let’s say I start when number zero under DD in this moment when the ball drop it will drop on number 27 so theoretically the wining
number will be around zero ? Or I miss somthing .
[quote=“kingem, post:21, topic:865”]Ok , now I don’t have the time to read all agin so before my last play ( I’m leaving today),
the rotor make one rotation in 3 sec it’s 12.3 pocket/sec if apply 2 sec the rotor move 24.6 pocket let’s say 25 pocket
Let’s say I start when number zero under DD in this moment when the ball drop it will drop on number 27 so theoretically the wining
number will be around zero ? Or I miss somthing .[/quote]
You are missing everything.
To calculate the rotor you also need remaining time until the ball drops.
Based on your example with 12.3 p/s rotor if remaining time from prediction until the ball drops is 10s, then the rotor will move by 12.3 x 10s = 123 pockets. It is 123/37 = 3.32 rotations. Which means if at your targeted rotation 10 sec before then the ball drops you get number 0, when the ball drops it will drop at 0.32 of rotation further from that (12 pockets)?
You should read post how to adjust for different rotor speeds, and then you need the method how to identify particular ball rotation during the spin.
I got back home with out the 1.5k and another 0.5k for hotel and flights expenses.
After the event i know that i mad mistakes by estimating the right ball revolution ,now i have to Learn more and practice alot before i make any adventures.
Here’s some details about the wheels :
First there was two casinos where i been ,the first one there was only hiulxy (dot know how to writing it ) after observing it i found that the rotor speed is 2 sec
most of the time and some time 2.5 sec ,the ball 17 mm and after dropping it was jump alot ,some time 74 pockets ,some time less and also in between,
the wheel was also levelled … so it was impossible for playing so i didn’t play .
The other casino (where i played) all the wheels are cammegh , the color black ,i mean the ball track and rotor center all in black color
There was 8 roulette tables 6 of them active most of the time ,the tables was crowded .
I found that the rotor speed in most of the wheels 3 sec or less ,didn’t found any wheel with 3.5/4 sec.
The scatter also was wider, the ball drop between 14-19 sec, i have noticed that when the rotor was ACW the drop -+ 5 pockets from the predicting number
and with CW it was 12-17 number sometimes more or less .
So when i decided to play evrey thing in some how changed maybe because the tension ,bad counting and mistakes of identifying particular ball rotation.
And now the questions is can i with an FFV-Z-A or whatever can beat this ****** roullete?
E.M
That is a lot of money lost for learning how to play.
“So when i decided to play evrey thing in some how changed maybe because the tension ,bad counting and mistakes of identifying particular ball rotation.”It is possible, some time ago I made a huge mistake start predicting with VB2 few rotations later during the spin (3-4) rotations before then the ball drops. In your case you didn’t say much about the wheel that is important for prediction or described the process how you were predicting. So everything can be wrong. Was wheel tilted? What was an average ball jump? How often the ball stops around that distance? How early you were predicting. How exactly did you get predicted number etc….
Realy expensive lesson kingem… But if it is learned then, it is worth of something? 
I think I can understand your frustration but now saying gimme FFZ (even not knowing what that is and how it works) Or JNSFKFHLSKAD or whatever just to beat that darn game…
You will bought it maybe and will it be the end of losing on roulette?? Earn decently on the every visit to the casino?
Realy? Does it realy can be so simple?
Anyway my humble advice would be just study all that , and take all options in consideration, be maximum prepared, so that next lesson maybe doesnt have to be so expensive… This can be said as general in life…
Cheers
Tiro
[quote=“forest, post:24, topic:865”]In your case you didn’t say much about the wheel that is important for prediction or described the process how you were predicting.
So everything can be wrong.
Was wheel tilted?
What was an average ball jump? How often the ball stops around that distance?
How early you were predicting.
How exactly did you get predicted number etc….[/quote]
The best wheel that i found and played was :
Tilt , 50% the ball hit 12 oclock diamond , 30% the bal hit 3 oclock diamond and 20% the others .
Ball jump: CW - the ball hit the rotor sometimes jump 11-12 pockets and sometimes more than 37 pockets and sometimes in between , 17-25 pockets.
ACW : the ball didn’t jump much ,sometimes stop almost immediately and sometimes jump 6-8 pockets .
I was predicted 5-6 sec after the spin begins when the ball speed was more than one revelation because in the start of the spin the ball was travelling very fast
So its very hard to see the ball , so when the ball slowdown and when its under the DD i started counting 1,2,3,4,5,6,7…10 it about 1.2-1.4 sec so
In the first counting i got some number under the ball and then instantly continue counting and got other number lets say zero “0” continue counting and agin got
Zero so i know that my number is zero when the ball hit the DD ( THAT AT LEAST WHAT I THOUGHT) , and then i have add 8 to 12 pockets and that what was
my number to bet on it in this case i bet on number 34 and the neighbors .
Sometimes i was bet on two neighbors to cover 9 numbers with 50$ , 5& per number , in addition in some cases i was bet 25$ straight number.
Now i know that i didn’t take in a counte the rotor speed and the adjustments , so in previous post when i was there i asked for how to make those adjustments
and i think that this my main problem that i face in real play in the casino .
Today i watch agin the videos spin in the AP site and notice that the rotor was slower than the casino and the ball drop quite faster than the casino
and also the ball wasn’t jump as much as in the casino. Its seen that the video spin is much easier than in real casino .
E.M
This is precisely why I am such an advocate of calculating your edge BEFORE you ever place a single bet in a casino. Knowing VB or VB2 is NOT enough! You have to be able to beat the wheel in an actual casino! There are things like ball types, rotor speed, Dealers, how crowded the table is, and all kinds of other variables to consider. If you have a dealer that waives off bets way to early, then you can’t play VB. Some dealers only spin the ball where it makes a maximum of 5 revs (Usually 3-4). These are things that are going to make beating this wheel harder. I also think that player’s tend to think a wheel is much better than it actually is. Part of being successful is being able to say “This wheel is crap today.” And be able to walk away. There is an old poker saying that applies here. “A bet saved is the same as a bet earned.” Sure we all want to win more than we lose, but doing that means playing during ideal conditions and avoiding awful conditions. There is a misconception that you are trying to beat the wheel. That’s partly true. I believe you are trying to beat the various CONDITIONS of a specific wheel. Conditions are a constantly changing variable that must be considered.
It just goes to show that it takes more than a bankroll to beat roulette. I have always been saying this. A pro can do a lot more with $200 or less, than a novice can with $2000. Roulette has a 35:1 payout! It’s the highest payout for table games excluding some freaky deaky side bets (Dragon on mini baccarat). Point is, you can run a couple hundred into a lot more if you are bumping your bets up as you are winning. That’s why it’s so important to make sure you can win first. If you can beat the casino conditions consistently, then you can make a good amount in a short time. If you cannot beat these conditions, then you are going to lose. If you are still learning, I would rather lose a little than a lot. That’s why I am all for small buy-ins of no more than $200 for beginning players. Even $100 betting 5 numbers at $1 each gives you 20 spins. If you aren’t able to make something happen in those 20 spins, then there is a good chance that the conditions you thought were great may not be as great as you thought. It’s also kind of unlikely that playing the next 20 is going to be a whole lot different. There is never any shame in living to fight another day. The worst thing you can do is let your ego talk you into beating the wheel because “I’m an Advantage Player! I am better than this effing wheel! I’ll show it who’s boss!”
On the other hand, don’t feel too bad. A lot of the guys here who have been starting with VB have the same kind of stories as yours. We all thought we knew what we were doing after watching it work a few times on our own, only to find that it is significantly more complicated than just walking into a casino and winning. You have to understand that there is no such thing as easy money when it comes to roulette. You have to put an effort into finding the best conditions, calculating the edge you have, making rational decisions as to how to best exploit your edge, and having the discipline to walk away if things aren’t looking good. This is much easier said than done. Sometimes you can have great wheel with the ball you want, but have a really crappy dealer. Other times, you can have a great dealer, but the table is so damn crowded that getting a good view of the wheel is damn near impossible. It’s just the way it goes. But you never want to make your job, as an AP, any harder than it needs to be. Avoid playing when you really should be walking away.
Like I said, you aren’t the only player who has had a bad losing day(s). The question is if you will be able to learn from it and try to keep it from happening again? The FFZ isn’t going to be a guarantee either. You still have to become proficient with it, just like you would have to become proficient with VB. VB and FF are just tools for beating roulette. It’s up to the person using the tools to decide if they are going to use them correctly and skillfully.
Hope this helped.
Nice post Davey, thanks.
Reading what he wrote I believe Kingem made few fatal mistakes.
So its very hard to see the ball , so when the ball slowdown and when its under the DD i started counting 1,2,3,4,5,6,7......10 it about 1.2-1.4 sec so In the first counting i got some number under the ball and then instantly continue counting and got other number lets say zero "0" continue counting and agin got Zero
It’s hard for me to believe that 1.2s is reference time on any Cammegh wheel especially when you said that the ball slowing down much slower than on the other wheel . It was probably coincidence that happened so you got 2 times number 0, for first time you said “some number under the ball”.
It was probably that ref time should be 2.4 sec so half of the time as you used may look OK on every second attempt.
2.4s is a lot to count without timer, but Cammegh wheels may have strong knee point where the ball suddenly slows down faster so trying to detect it may be better solution in such conditions.
so i know that my number is zero when the ball hit the DD ( THAT AT LEAST WHAT I THOUGHT) , and then i have add 8 to 12 pockets and that what was my number to bet on it in this case i bet on number 34 and the neighbors .
Reading reference number using VB2 or any other VB doesn’t necessarily mean that the ball should drop there? But it may drop from that number by constant x amount of pockets. So next time you shift your observation (starting point) point by same amount of pockets.
Now i know that i didn't take in a counte the rotor speed and the adjustments , so in previous post when i was there i asked for how to make those adjustments and i think that this my main problem that i face in real play in the casino .
Of course it is a big mistake, on the video I explained how I do rotor and made a post on that subject. Rotor to naked eye may look same speed but it can make extra ½ or more rotations.
D-J thanks alot for your post it’s really help me and give new point of view about the all complex of roulette play, I’m really appreciate it and thanks again .
After getting back from my disappointed trip I told my self that ill never inter into a casino again ,after my last attempet to try to win at roulette and got back some k’s I have lost over the years in casinos .
When I discovered this forum and read the post I was happy that finally found the way to beat the roulette wheel , my self confidant and thinking I knowing the roulette play lead me to hell .
but from mistakes we learn and I have got my lesson.
I’ll will start all over again reading and practice hope that one day maybe ill be able to beat the roulette .
E.M
I understand your frustration. It’s not an easy game to beat. I have been around forums for a few years now and a lot of guys try to learn how to play VB and still are unable to do it even after months of research! So it’s not exactly a skill that you can pick up over night. But if you keep trying to learn, you will only get better. Some guys just pick it up faster than others. Just don’t make the mistake of being over confident. That’s a player’s biggest downfall. At least you are on a good enough forum here with enough guys to help you learn and develop as a player. So keep your chin up!