Getting caught with a roulette computer

Even if there’s no explicit law against using a roulette computer in a particular country or state, the casino might have house rules against it. Still then, it couldn’t be fraud or any crime because data collection and calculation doesn’t affect the outcome of the game. But even so, there will likely be bad effects, such as being barred, and maybe put on a list and barred from many casinos around the world.

The risk of getting caught needs to be managed and therefor affects behavior and ultimately somewhat reduces profits from prediction. Therefor I’d like to raise this issue.

First, has anyone got caught? Does anyone know anyone caught?

Second, if caught, will you get blacklisted in many casinos?

Third, what makes advantage players get caught? Too big profits? Starring at the wheel? Clicking button-behavior?

Fourth, how does casino security approach a suspected AP? They have no right to body search you. The police, if called in, only have the right to search for weapons. Unless there is substantial suspicion of a crime (which there cannot be). But maybe this is different in reality?

Fifth, what would the legal consequences be? It’s not criminal, but could the casino sue you for your (historic) profits? Has anything like it ever happened?

We can’t tell you that since nobody with FF were caught using it.
Anyway how many people in the world were caught with any device?
I know only for few cases and all investigation was triggered by unusually high winnings.

Yes, it’s very rare, isn’t it? And still it is, I think, the major argument for most to not try it out. And it’s the reason why you put your device in a shoe!

And what happened to the cases you’ve heared about where someone got caught? In Nevada I think they have serious legislation about it. But in most other places it would legally not be worse than being thrown out for being too drunk or something, save for that you might get black listed in many other casinos.

How big a risk is it that one gets black listed given that they discover a roulette computer on you?

And how the heck can they discover such a device??? What gives casino security, or even the police, the legal right to body search you for having sector betted in a way that systematically resulted in great gambling profits?

Never anything will happen until you start winning rapidly.

I did write somewhere how I’ve seen a man walking with electronics tense machine and playing roulette. He told me ha has pain in his back. Nobody cares because every day he leaves few hundred dollars to casino. If he starts winning and holding the machine, then would be a problem and his way of play would be analyzed.

Personally I wouldn’t use any device in USA, but I know some that do, it is too dangerous.

I am black listed in casinos here, but good thing is that here you do not have to sign your name when you walk in.

With FFZ I was never worried, since it is only machine that helps me relax muscles.

With FFA it is a bit different especially if it is not locked.

And how the heck can they discover such a device??? What gives casino security, or even the police, the legal right to body search you for having sector betted in a way that systematically resulted in great gambling profits?

How they discover?
Well, I tell you, if you find right conditions, play bigger money, placing late bets, and somehow get 80% spins winning, be sure few people will come to watch you. The best thing is when they say to dealer to change rotor speed and to call NMB earlier, because it is only first step. It is time to play silly change way of play to prove them that everything was only coincidence and slowly to leave the table. The worst is when they say nothing just watch and later ask you for ID or reward card for free drinks and dinner.

In casinos everything is ok until you start winning too much.
We talk about covert radio communication, it is all ok but never so important.
Main trigger to be watched by casino are winnings.

To avoid heat, do you think that it’s better to bet one number only, rather than sector betting? When one has drawn attention by winning, sector betting must be a proof to them that you are physically predicting where the ball will land. With single number betting, it is easier to believe that one is lucky.

However, then one HAS TO be lucky too, since the risk of ruin gets awfully high with plein bets…

Btw, in the US, it’s only the state of Nevada which has laws against stuff like roulette computers, right? In other parts it should be less of a risk. However, regardless of laws, using a roulette computer in for example a Russian casiono might be a bit like playing… Russian roulette!

Playing one number may be the most profitable, but we do not have good balance for regular wins.
We may play 60 spins and get no hit on single number but on numbers next to it we may get plenty.

If we play $100 per spin across 8 pockets sector we have balance for more regular wins. From 8 pockets some will hit more some less and we get positive average.
To be able to achieve same winnings by playing single number, it means we need to place $100 on single number each time.
Based on 60 spins example that may create $6,000 loss.
On long, long run it will produce same profit, it is up to player to play the way he prefers.

I’ve yet to hear of anyone actually getting arrested for using the computer. I know of a few different events where people were caught with them. In each case the casino simply banned the people. In one case they confiscated the computer. The casino doesn’t want to teach others how to cheat by dragging these people to court and they don’t want the information becoming public.

[quote=“Forester, post:6, topic:299”]Based on 60 spins example that may create $6,000 loss.
On long, long run it will produce same profit, it is up to player to play the way he prefers.[/quote]
My understanding of ‘Risk of Ruin’ is the opposite, that in the long run it will lead to total loss of the entire bankroll! Betting on one number only, is much much riskier than sector betting. Okey, by betting a percentage of bankroll left, the risk of ruin can be handled. But profits will be slower.

Anyway, that’s the downside. What about the upside? Do you think it is easier to avoid heat if one bets on a single number instead of on sectors? I mean, why would one bet on a sector if not because one predicts physically approximately where the ball will land, either with VB or computer?

One could make serious profits without going above 2 or 3 standard deviations. Like, you can win 4 out of 40 spinns, leaving the table with 104 times bet size as profit, and it would seem random.

Yes, i does require special laws, like there are in Nevada. Because it isn’t fraudulent to predict the outcome of a game without affecting the outcome.

I know of a few different events where people were caught with them. In each case the casino simply banned the people. In one case they confiscated the computer.
Yes, they might be able to do that, based on the house rules they've made up for their own casino. Have they been banned in many casinos? Even internationally?

In the US, it’s quite illegal to use a computer for computer ballistics.

Playing one number may give you highest advantage on long run.
If you look results of predictions displayed as graph. You can see highest pick point; it may be wide only one or few pockets. For example, if you play there you may get 1:24 if you play 3 pockets from there it may be 1:28.
Maybe playing single number will be more covert because it takes less time to cover 1 pocket then 8 pockets. So you are not always in trouble with dealer and NMB.

I thought it was only the state of Nevada which had such special laws. Only there is the casino industry strong enough to make state lawmakers run their errends. Those taxc free amerindian casinos, I’ve read somewhere, do not benefit from such laws.