Genuine winner piracy of Saliu's roulette system


#1

I am not sure if I understand this properly or perhaps I can’t understand such scam.

According to saliu site

Illegal Roulette System, Roulette Computer Sales Stopped by Law

http://download.saliu.com/roulette-piracy.html

Stefano’s genuine winner system is version of Saliu’s system which he offered free with membership to his site of $29.

Stefano took it and sell it for $2.5k

"Would you compare the $30 membership fee to the $2500 the genuinewinner.com bunch charges for their act of piracy of my roulette systems and software?"

Original owner made official complained, and that is why Stefano’s videos were removed form YouTube.

This was Stefano’s fake advertisement trying to scam people for $2.5k, which was removed from youtube.

"ROULETTE SYSTEM (NO ELECTRONICS):
See the TV documentary about a team who made over $1M using only one of the various legitimately effective techniques we teach you: youtube.com/watch?v=OC7SazzDF9A "

Interesting article read all here.
http://download.saliu.com/roulette-piracy.html

And if I understood it wrong please translate it for me. ;D


#2

So here it is how Stefanos scam was removed from Youtube.

from
http://forums.saliu.com/showthread.php/16-Intent-to-disrupt-Disgruntled-paid-membership-users

"Steven (Stefano) Hourmouzis “Courtesy”: Research, Higher Education, Government

You won't believe what means Steven Hourmouzis employed in courting me! I have obtained a whole lot more information on the Internet. Also, I came across emails from Stefano Hourmouzis under the umbrella of a research company in Australia. I connected the dots today. Like all "good" criminals, Stefano self-destructs. He leaves trails. Good sleuths today sniff the trails and catch them bad guys sooner rather than later.

It's incredible that Steven Hourmouzis created a Web site dedicated to a bogus research company. That company is a self-proclaimed pioneer in some high-brow research fields. Among the fields, energy development! That's how Stefano became a criminal in the first place. He sent millions of emails boosting the prospects of an American energy company. Bogus alright, but those emails netted Steven Hourmouzis $17,000 in one weekend!

In his own words:

"I established several successful businesses that funded my energy research (they still continue to do so). However, I still continued to develop and research gambling systems as it was somewhere between an obsession and personal interest. By the time I had successfully developed genuine long-term winning systems, my businesses were doing well enough for me to not need gambling systems.

I am established with and respected by many energy research groups world-wide and actively assist in the funding and development of alternative technologies research. Some projects I fund myself, while others require external sources as possible projects can cost well over $100m (such as the Searl Disk).

NOTE: If you would like to contribute to any funding or have skills/knowledge that may assist, please contact me. Any contributions are appreciated."

That NOTE above. I had no knowledge of that note or the Hourmouzis Web site. He sent me an email. He praised my ideas and works. Then he asked me to cooperate with that bogus research company. Actually, "they" requested I shared with them my gambling systems that the public had not found out about. Hourmouzis also wanted my software and source code!

I take a step back, I take a deep breath and I congratulate myself! A number of bastards tried hard to manipulate my feelings of a good human. They badly wanted the source code of my software. I even heard the sentimental threat that they could die if I didn't send them my software!!! I still made a few mistakes. I also believe I made a contribution to humanity by making available the source code of a few of my programs. Included is source code for roulette software.

Good thing I did NOT reveal the source code of my roulette program that Stefano Hourmouzis pirated in his "genuinewinner" roulette system. Boy, oh, boy! He would claim now that it's me who pirated his roulette system! As is, he has not figured out the source code of my RouletteHemis.exe software. He secretly uses my program. The customers send him real roulette spins, table by table. Stefano Hourmouzis then runs my software to find biases at certain roulette tables. That's the reason why his users can never analyze roulette data on their own and thus discover wheel biases or not.

This guy is absolutely insane. It might be that he suffers from multiple personality disorder. He could be also another guy in the lottery field. The same insane behavior. Stefano and his multiple incarnations turned virulently hateful toward me. They didn’t get what they wanted so, what else could he-they do?!

[b]I believe this is what is a criminal nature.[/b] Criminals just can't control themselves. Stefano Hourmouzis was paroled after three months of prison. He was supposed to continue his good behavior. Yet, he founded a bogus company. He sent deceptive emails on behalf of a false company asking for cooperation, even donations. His "company" promised great yields, as they were partners of Australian universities and government agencies!

Stefano Hourmouzis took also the immense risk to pirate a roulette system and charge $2500 for it upfront, plus some $2500 afterwards (after a month of winnings or so!) Forget about me. Yes, he pirated one modest roulette system of mine. But everybody can get that roulette strategy for free, by reading and studying a free webpage at my site! How outrageous is it to charge at least $2500 for a system that people can get for free, from the legitimate author of the system?

YouTube notice when trying to access Stefano Hourmouzis - genuinewinner video touting his piracy of my roulette system ([url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=OC7SazzDF9A#]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/url] ):

"This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube’s policy against spam, scams, and commercially deceptive content."

I guess that must be the irrecoverable nature of criminals. Poor boy! He wants to rot in a dungeon!

[b][size=14pt]Ion Saliu[/size][/b] "

#3

I came across Saliu some 8 - 10 years ago and he seemed a right lunatic at the time. He showed the same tendencies as SelzerMckenzie, which is a lunatic based in germany and NOT australia as he claims. During some testing of his roulette systems, that by the way all came out negative, i too was acused of stealing his systems.
http://saliu.com/bbs/messages/431.html

Here im acused of being a casino mole:
http://saliu.com/bbs/messages/952.html

I think we slugged it out on gamblers glen because some old german members happened to have bought some of his systems and had them programmed. (Lutz Melhorn and company) and after that he really hated me. (and lutz). His lottery software is also a joke that no one can ever win with.

Its your own choice but don`t give him too much credit.

Plenty of people has created strategys and software for 1/2 wheel sectors or 1/3 wheel sectors without claiming that Stefano stole their property.


#4

Cut and Paste from his old board:

Clocking the speed of the roulette wheel is an illusion the myths are made of. NASA sophisticated instruments may be able to measure precisely the speed of the roulette wheel. But NO instrument can predict the landing position of the spinning ball on the roulette wheel. The wheel deflectors randomize the movement regardless of the speed. Of course, it is absolutely impossible for any roulette player to clock the roulette wheel speed precisely, even if the casinos allowed the use of any instruments/computers on the premises.

Not to mention the thorough tests conducted by the manufacturers of roulette wheels. They certainly perform tests regarding the wheel speed and the landing of the spinning roulette ball. They probably run the roulette wheel at exactly the speed v (rotations per minute) for a number of runs R. They note that the roulette ball is landing randomly; i.e. in various positions on the wheel. They change the wheel speed and run another batch of tests. They notice the randomness of the ball landing. It is a strong fact regarding the roulette wheel. The same speed of the roulette wheel leads to highly random landing positions (roulette numbers).

[b]I did notice bias, however. It was due to the wear of the roulette wheel. Probably the deflectors of the roulette wheel were worn out. The wheel was malfunctioning, anyhow, I think. We can divide the roulette wheel in two sections based on the last number drawn. There are 38 numbers in double-zero roulette. The last number drawn, plus 9 numbers to its left on the roulette wheel layout, plus 9 numbers to the right on the layout = make up the inside hemisphere of the roulette wheel. The other 19 numbers make-up the outer hemisphere.

The next number should be FFG-equally distributed between the two wheel hemispheres. That is, the roulette insiders and roulette outsiders should be FFG-equally distributed. I tracked the spins at a roulette table in Atlantic City. To my (belated) dismay, the ratio was 80% to 20% biased towards the outer hemisphere! Actually, two roulette dealers a woman and a man shifted at the table during that continuous run! So, it was not a so-called roulette dealer’s signature! It was a malfunctioning of the roulette wheel. It is likely that the casinos have no knowledge of such phenomenon. But tracking the landing in the roulette inner hemisphere and the outer hemisphere is very hard to accomplish when actually playing roulette in a casino.

Later on, I decided to release free roulette software that works with the roulette wheel sectors and the birthday paradox. Program name: RouletteHemis.EXE; software category 5.5.[/b]

Right now, in all honesty, I cannot see any casino roulette gambling system better than mine. That’s the only way, like my gambling theory and software do: Track the winning and the losing streaks and their corresponding skips (misses). Apply the Fundamental Formula of Gambling (FFG). There are some no playing moments (or play the minimum bet); other situations demand a higher roulette bet. It is hard work, but nothing else works better. It might not be attractive to the faint at heart or the illusion drinker.

I think maybe the 80/20 % quote leads him to claim the system as his property. The only problem is, you can easyli find 80/20 distributions if you don`t classify the sectors before the spin tracking is done. It would be nice if one could do it before the ball was spun though.


#5

Kelly,

I am not interested who is wrong or who is right, did Stefano used his idea, software ( $30 ) repacked it and sell for few thousand, or perhaps it was opposite. We can’t know the truth.

For me is interested that video which Stefano used was removed from YouTube.
Stefan used someone else’s video to promote his system with attempt to convince reader in to buying his system, when his system has nothing to do with approach presented on video.

When talking about genuine winner system he stated.
[b]

  1. My system does not rely on any sort of wheel bias or defect
  2. My system does not rely on dealer signature
  3. My system does not rely on consistent wheel & ball speeds
  4. My system is effective in real and common casino conditions"[/b]

Video he used was about people who won using bias, but Stefano claims opposite.

Stefano claims his GW is based on a “golden spiral” found in nature which he manages to implement to find future results on roulette wheel based on previous 333 spins.

Sure, now he can claim (and he does) but I can teach and bias and Laurance’s Scott or any other persons (with integrity) system. But we are commenting only GW system which predicts before then dealers spins and which is not based on DS or bias.

Stefano claims people with his GW won millions.

If so then he should use his own videos and show success, if that is the truth than most likely video as he used about bias would be made about his GW system.

Imagine one day you find out someone has won one
million with myrulet.com computer. Some company makes video about it but Stefano start using it to promote his system. Or perhaps uses Barnett’s review about FFA and includes on his page of course removing FF form it. (Oh it’s just to show people that they can win with roulette computers)

Stefano is all in mess, full of contradictions.

In five years I did not find a single person who said good word for Stefano except Bago, but it was only when he just bought Stefano’s computer. When he found the truth you know what happened.

This are results from survey we made. Only people who have at least one roulette computer could contribute. You can ask any support member here to confirm results.

What do you think about Steven Hourmouzes products?
• No idea (20.8%)
• Scam (70.8%)
• I believe it has potential, but needs improvement (8.3%)
• It is a very good product (0%)


#6

Generally there is a lack of real players when it comes to computer players, VB and bias players too. All are relatively easy reckognised if not on the MO then on the betting and i don`t see them anywhere. I think the internet has blown AP out of proportions as to what is possible annd in which scale it is possible. There ARE opportunity windows here and there but its not like we can just walz in every street corner casino and start playing.

I would say it would be relatively easy to make a independent test where no details were hidden as they are in Stefanos test document. It raises more questions around why the details are hidden rather than answering questions.

As for his computer, i have no doubt it can predict something under the right conditions, even I could have someone with electronical skills put somethiing together that worked under good conditions, so why not Stefano. What it really can, we don`t know because noone has made a proper independent test.

I think the lack of real life success stories is that 80% of peoples total bank roll is gone with the purchase of the device. They then practice in front of the computer instead of in front of a wheel with a table layout, in the end they end up standing “Gun shy” in the casino with hardly any bank roll and no practice for the MO and will most likely end up with no experience or a bad experience. I think all of you computer vendors need a training program with a step by step for the device, including standing at a real table layout with a real wheel actually placing some bets on the layout, while practicing a MO that makes you look like Joe Average or Mr J at Vls.


#7

I actually have run into people that are using Forester’s RCs. They have all said positive things about it.

I have never, to this day, met anyone that was using Stefano’s and I haven’t spoken to anyone that was using it. Maybe they are all in Aussie. I don’t know.

I have also met other people that have built there own RCs. Generally, most are using them in EU, not the US.

I have come across probably three high end wheel watchers (Wagering above $300 per spin or more) (VB) in the past year while traveling in the US, and probably another five or more that are just getting into it and that are betting at just small units.

I have definitely seen an increase in the number of VB players.

-Snowman


#8

I know of one player that are using foresters device on a regular basis, so they do exist alright. There are a few home made things around in europe too, but i think thats mostly on hobby basis. We had a danish team that were using a well known (ask laurance) US device but they had to quit because they couldn`t run a low profile and were at some point chased by security out of San Remo (Italy) casino.

In EU you raise eyebrows as soon as you get past 100 Euro pr. number betting the race track. Your play won`t last 10 minutes if you also look too hard in the wheel. Generally you can get away with 30 - 40 Euro pr. number without too much attention. The days where known wheel watchers would roam Hamburg, Travem »nde, Wiesbaden etc. (and get away with it) checking in with no less than 100 K cash and another 100K hidden in the socks are long gone over here.

What i have noticed during the last year though is that the personel takes a bit lighter on formalia at the table, most probably because the cash flow has become extremely weak during the financial crisis and they would probably rather risk a bit against a possible AP to get some more cash flow.

PS: I think the reason we don`t see too many new VB players around is that Abbiati, Cammegh and Starburst wheels are becoming more and more common. Especially Abbiati and Cammegh takes some hard labour to get near. Starbursts are actually not that bad with the right balls and a split betting pattern.

The few new VB ¨rs here is on the other hand extremely skilled.


#9
There ARE opportunity windows here and there but its not like we can just walz in every street corner casino and start playing.

I like the sentence :D.

"I would say it would be relatively easy to make a independent test where no details were hidden as they are in Stefanos test document. It raises more questions around why the details are hidden rather than answering questions."

When promoting his system he said.

“The testing will take place in approximately one month, after
which a report detailing the results will be published on my web
site and to the media. The physicist’s credentials will also be
included.”

From all of that nothing that matters happened.

Same as with his worlds roulette conference.
He published some pictures claiming it is his assistant, with promise how soon will come more and videos of conference. On the end he published nothing else, and we found out that on the picture wasn’t his assistant but Stefano himself in same t-shirt that he sleeps. (check Bagos site)

The point here is that Stefano never delivers what he promises, he promising everything only for marketing reasons.

"As for his computer, i have no doubt it can predict something under the right conditions, even I could have someone with electronical skills put somethiing together that worked under good conditions, so why not Stefano. What it really can, we don`t know because noone has made a proper independent test. "

Well yes it should, I said that many times.

You maybe did not notice, but his compute now works differently than before, actually he is cloning the FF. I do not have problem with that and I also believe that now it may work better then before.

Few years back he claimed to predict levelled wheel with a single ball rotation clocked, and publicly abused me for clocking more rotations. Now he is clocking ~10 to make computer to checking for ball speed until it comes to a particular speed range. Compare that with his previous single rotation clocked at any moment during the spin on a levelled wheel as he was presenting on some of his videos earlier published.

What he is trying to do now is to find someone who can confirm that his computer can predict same spin with close to same results, and use it as a prove that all written about his computers is not truth. For him that will be also reason to brag all around forums how he proved all his claims and how all the others are idiots.

So for Snowman If test ever happened I suggest to test all claims Stefano made. According to Stefano has some more secrets which are secrets and he doesn’t want public know about it, so he can disable it. But there is no reason why Snowman shouldn’t be able to test everything already advertised.

Of course good quick and simple test is full 4D teat as explained at myrulet.com, with predictions in different ball rotations (predicting at different moments during the spin and expecting same results) also test of checking for rotor calculation.

Bottom line is what I was always telling to Stefano and it still applies.
If the computer is so good and can do all advertised, I am the player and many of my friends are players. We do not care FF or any other computer we need the best. If computer works we all will buy it. It doesn’t have to be me to test it, it can be any of us. There is no reason why one Jackal, security man or Fatgambler would be dishonest and support FF if he tested it and found it better. For his advertising purposes he writes how he is giving computers for free, making teams, blah blah…, but in same time refusing to supply it to people for which he knows are the players.

"I think the lack of real life success stories is that 80% of peoples total bank roll is gone with the purchase of the device. They then practice in front of the computer instead of in front of a wheel with a table layout, in the end they end up standing "Gun shy" in the casino with hardly any bank roll and no practice for the MO and will most likely end up with no experience or a bad experience. I think all of you computer vendors need a training program with a step by step for the device, including standing at a real table layout with a real wheel actually placing some bets on the layout, while practicing a MO that makes you look like Joe Average or Mr J at Vls."

I may agree with you. FFZ/FFV is relatively cheap, so it may be less then 80% :P.

This data confirms it.

[b]As a roulette player, how much do you make per year?

  1. NOTHING 17%
  2. LES THEN $2K 17.90%
  3. ABOUT $10K 21.40%
  4. ABOUT $50K 10.70%
  5. MORE THEN $100K 14.30%
  6. NOT APLICABLE STIL LLEARNING 17.90%[/b]

From this I can take only 10.7% and 14.3% (which is in total 25%) as serious players who managed to find right conditions.

Also is interesting that nobody wants any more talking computer with earpieces, induction loop and wires. FFZ/V R5A is a king with all flexibilities it has.

@Snowman
"I actually have run into people that are using Forester’s RCs. They have all said positive things about it."

Of course you did, you are the player and FF roulette computers are for real.

“I know of one player that are using foresters device on a regular basis, so they do exist alright.”

Same applies to Kelly.

Yes, you are 100% correct. There is more talk than action.

"There are a few home made things around in europe too, but i think thats mostly on hobby basis."

I do not see why not, programming PDA or mobile many people can do so there is a good chance that some of them play roulette.

Making something as I do is a bit harder, way of programming is harder and on top knowledge of electronics design is required, but benefits are grater.


#10

A 4 diamond test is one way of doing it, but it should only be a part of bigger test. There is also the issue of the clocker/tester. How good is he at precise continous clicking and how well does the computer handle human errors.

A bad clocker can screw up a good computer if the computer cant handle obvious timing errors. By this i mean errors that wont cause the computer to reject the spin as a “no spin” On the other hand a good clocker is not able to turn a bad computer into a good one.

Im not keeping a list of his claims i just know that there seems to be no real good independent tests around and no success stories either.


#11

It appears that Ken, aka Mr. J, aka KJ Smooth will be testing Steve’s computer for him.
At this point in time I feel that testing it and posting the results on his forum would likely be a complete waste of time, given the actions of his moderator/administrator (Ken).

-Snowman


#12
A 4 diamond test is one way of doing it, but it should only be a part of bigger test.

Definitely, but what do you do if you repeat video spin and each time computers predicts it differently all over the place.
4D test is simple short way of simulating different inputs where result is known to check how computer will react.

Of course after that you can do million things.

HEHEH i believe Ken is suitable

I am have a problem understanding why Stefano enforcing on VLS. members roulette computers, GW, what Forester said what Bago said…etc (his free interpretation) when thy simply do not care. Some who might care he already banned.
[b]

Did you know that Stefano scamed and ex VLS forum admin. [/b]
“Dear Forester
it is pleasure to be in your forum , sadly i was administrator of VLS forum and owner with victor but victor was a traitor and sold it to the rubbish steve , i was scammed by steve and bought his system . can you give me access to some of sections as systems ?
if you want to talk my messenger is …”

I asssume he as well doesn’t qualify for Steves 200% money back guarany.


#13

What do you think, how many computers and systems stefano sold?
I think that all these device should have some anti tamper protection, so nobody can open and copy anything.
some hologram sticker can do the job.


#14

According to Stefano it was 200, then 400, then 700,
based on pattern how it is increasing currently should be more then 1000

I think that all these device should have some anti tamper protection, so nobody can open and copy anything. some hologram sticker can do the job.

Why would you think that ?


#15

I mean if seller is afried of somebody who test computer without actually buying it.


#16

Nobody will ever test Stefano’s computer for real.

Stefano knows very well if Snowman tests it, it would be the end of all his bullshits.
Snowman is probably the most skilled AP Player, and definitely one who places highest bets.

This is not just conclusion made form reading his posts as Ken might think. One of guys with FF met with Snowman few times.

I believe him, i do not see why someone from Europe who bought two FF roulette computers would be lying.


#17

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