Found a VERY tilted wheel...now what?

Advanced roulette play
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Hello gurus!

First of all, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of you! Wish the best to you and your families!

Yesterday I had the chance to find a very tilted wheel at one of the local casinos here (Sofia, Bulgaria). They are currently having construction activities inside the casino and are constantly moving the tables. They have put new carpet and so on. Also, since it’s Christmas and nobody is working, there were a lot of players who were hitting this unfortunate roulette table. In fact, it was so much tilted, that the tilt was visible with the eye! The dominant drop-zone was always more or less the same diamond, which was not a surprise, since it was visible that the highest point of the tilt was about 2 diamonds before it. Unfortunately, most of the time, the scatted was awful (however, there were dealers that produced much less scatter with the same ball because of the higher ball speed they applied initially).

I don’t believe these circumstances would last forever, but, unfortunately, I have never practiced advantage playing on tilted wheels (what I usually do is to wait for an unsuspecting dealer that produces some kind of a signature, e.g. very often every second spin is predictable for many of the dealers there). And now I would like to take the opportunity to take advantage of this big tilt. I observed that in some cases the ball and the winning sector would be exactly above the dominant drop zone. But that was not always the case. I guess I have not watched the correct revolution most of the time.

So my question to you is : how could I detect the key revolution in this case? I tried to clock the wheel (about 4.2 sec for a particular dealer, but changing…as accurate as it is possible without a device). I don’t have a device of any kind (and I plan to buy an FFA or maybe FFZ) and I want to grab the opportunity right now, since I have lost all of my savings…about $42K… in the last 18 months playing roulette and trying everything possible…stupid!:((

Forget to mention, that in this same casino the previous time I found another table with a smaller tilt…I don’t know if it was the same table or not…but the players there (many of them are gypsies) always push heavily the tables as they play…maybe that’s why they are in such bad conditions (fortunetely:)

So, could anybody, please, point me to a link to a visual system for taking advantage of very tilted wheels?

Thank you!

Fatburner

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(however, there were dealers that produced much less scatter with the same ball because of the higher ball speed they applied initially)

On the end the ball hits rotor with same speed, so I would say it is only coincidence that it looks the way you explained.

(what I usually do is to wait for an unsuspecting dealer that produces some kind of a signature, e.g. very often every second spin is predictable for many of the dealers there)

Reading this I thought , ok “another one” so how to explain to him and in same time be polite, however following explained it all…

I have lost all of my savings....about $42K.. in the last 18 months playing roulette and trying everything possible...stupid!:((

DS is possible only on tilted wheels. Forget what the others tell you. Once when you experience how hard is even with good tilt and knowing much more, when ball scatter is wide then you will understand how hard (imposable is ) when and drop point is at any place onthe wheel, using only DS.

Some time ago I wrote an explanation
“Nothing is random, it might be truth, but can we really take advantage of it?”
http://www.myrulet.com/index.php/similar-roulette-systems.html

If you look graphs you will understand why DS wouldn’t work on common wheels in casino, even if it is tilted.

Wheel as you describe is ok with common drop point but deviation in ball scatter makes it more complicated then what you may expect.

Of course there is Laurence Scot’s books about VB (cross pattern, estimation by sound), there is Jafco’s vibe (timer) for rotor measurements, he estimates ball revolution , as you tried.
There are some explanations on forum (search for UWE), pretty much everything is similar) and requires a lot of skill to have small advantage.

I play my own VB2, I do not classified it in any way better then others just most suitable for me.

Playing with RC is not also money printing machine especially if ball is naughty.
It takes a lot form advantage that RC may produce, it is harder to follow what is going on on the wheel, and changes on wheel during play are reality, but definitely using RC is the easiest way.

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Thank you, Forester!

On the end the ball hits rotor with same speed, so I would say it is only coincidence that it looks the way you explained.

Your comment made me think about it and I suspect that there is still a relation between speed and ball scatter, but it is not the ball’s speed that is important, but the rotor speed. On fast rotors the ball seems to scatter less, while on slower rotors te scatter is disastrous and the ball tends to make spinners. I’m sure I have seen dealers switch to ‘slow rotor mode’ when there were black chip players on the table or when they have suspected that I have watched or analyzed them.

Do you think there is such a relation between ball scatter and rotor speed?

DS is possible only on tilted wheels. Forget what the others tell you. Once when you experience how hard is even with good tilt and knowing much more, when ball scatter is wide then you will understand how hard (imposable is ) when and drop point is at any place onthe wheel, using only DS.

Some time ago I wrote an explanation
“Nothing is random, it might be truth, but can we really take advantage of it?”
http://www.myrulet.com/index.php/similar-roulette-systems.html

If you look graphs you will understand why DS wouldn’t work on common wheels in casino, even if it is tilted.

Wheel as you describe is ok with common drop point but deviation in ball scatter makes it more complicated then what you may expect.

I had a look at the graphs and, yes, I’m beginning to understand…better later than never.

Of course there is [b]Laurence Scot's[/b] books about VB ([b]cross pattern[/b], estimation by sound), there is [b]Jafco's[/b] vibe (timer) for rotor measurements, he estimates ball revolution , as you tried. There are some explanations on forum (search for UWE), pretty much everything is similar) and requires a lot of skill to have small advantage.

I play my own VB2, I do not classified it in any way better then others just most suitable for me.

I am now reading your explanation about VB2, but I will not bother you with questions.

Playing with RC is not also money printing machine especially if ball is naughty. It takes a lot form advantage that RC may produce, it is harder to follow what is going on on the wheel, and changes on wheel during play are reality, but definitely using RC is the easiest way.

That’s for sure. And I know what you mean regarding the changing conditions during roulette play. I know you make the best (the only working) products on the topic of advantage roulette play and I plan to purchase one soon (perhaps FFZ because of the zap notification). What has stopped me to do it until now is, of course, the risk of getting caught in a casino…but I don’t play big anymore…and I put a limit on me to sit at the table with no more than 150 chips…that way I tend to be much more disciplined when placing bets.

Best regards,
Fatburner

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(however, there were dealers that produced much less scatter with the same ball because of the higher ball speed they applied initially)

Your comment just raised a big red flag.

Maybe it’s just your perception, but I doubt it.

When the ball tracks are in bad shape, the vibration and chatter of the ball shakes the ball from the track and causes sudden and sharp drop offs in the ball speed. This in turn makes it very difficult to predict.

You will find that some dealers are not predictable because the ball chatter remains until the ball falls from the track. Other dealers may have a much smoother ball spin that is more predictable. On a good track, the last few revolutions of the ball should be the same for every dealer. Unfortunately this isn’t true on bad ball tracks. A hard snap and back spin on the ball can cause it to vibrate, until it falls from the track. A bad ball that is nicked, or slightly out of round could also be the problem. This vibration is enough to drastically change the drop angle as well.

Wheels with dominant deflector smacks all to often tend to have ball tracks in poor shape. Here in the US this is more common than you might think. I’ve found the Huxley Mark Series wheels tend to be the worst because of the small “craze” or cracks that can occur in the rigid polyester finish on the ball track.

The best way to spot the problem is just to watch and listen to the ball on the track. You should be able to visually see when the ball is riding smooth verses chattering and shaking on the track. Another way is to collect lap times on the ball for the different dealers to determine which dealers you can play and which ones you should avoid.

-Snowman

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Do you think there is such a relation between ball scatter and rotor speed?
Yes.
"I know you make the best (the only working) products on the topic of advantage roulette play"

That may not be the truth. Who knows what else is over there.
A basic prediction for tilted wheel is simple, it’s is not hard to make RC for that.
Some ways are more advanced then the others.

Main problem is that some people with RC promise a goose with guaranty that lays golden eggs, and RC they sell can’t deliver basics.


This is example of ball scatter with different rotor speed more graphs is here:

http://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,706.0.html

But this is drastic rotor speed change. From 5 sec. to 2.5 sec per rotation.

On such change is not only that ball may jump differently but time of drop point may change. Length of ball traveling time after ball is at particular sped may change. On tilted wheel it may be just enough for the ball to make another rotation, braking point in between rotations that users of FF call PS (point set) may shift.

If you look around internet you may find video samples where computer missed to predict ball drop point but miraculously the ball jumps and compensates for that ending at wanted place. It can’t be rotor adjustment (as some claim
) since on video rotor speed is same. And it can’t be anything else since it is imposable to predict how the ball will hit pocket divider. So it is only luck and selection of spins where it happened published to convince people to buy the product.

On displayed graph you can see that blue line ( 5 sec rotor ) actually produces higher advantage, in addition to it and prediction of drop point on slower rotor should be more accurate since errors of clocking slower rotor are smaller.

Imagine rotor is going 5 pockets per revolution; you are trying to define revolution when the ball is 1 sec per rotation.
If you are wrong by one earlier or later revolution you would be wrong only by minus or plus 5 pockets.

@Snowman

Not sure if ball from one dealer will vibrate in last rotation differently then from the other dealer and that it will cause only bad drops for us.

Even if it is the truth why ball that is vibrating more in last rotation after hitting DD can’t actually jump less and be more predictable. :-\

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On smooth tracks, the ball will plain out smoothly, long before the final drop rev.

However, on bad tracks, how hard the ball is snapped and how the dealer spins it, most certainly DOES effect the final revs of the ball. This is because the ball never plains out smoothly.

I guess it boils down to your experience with different wheels. Here in the US, this is likely more common than in Aus.
Over the years, I have encountered several wheels with bad tracks. In time, I suspect you will encounter them as well.
Once you’ve collected enough lap times from several different wheels, you’ll likely find some wheels that are affected. Don’t forget that a bad ball can have the same affect.

I’ll see if I can upload a video to help you view and hear the effect. Over the years I’ve collected several different spins from different wheels.

I can also create the effect on my wheel as well.

-Snowman

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“On smooth tracks, the ball will plain out smoothly, long before the final drop rev.”

I do not have problem with that.
It is also something that creates effect of common drop point what we may call tilt even the wheel may not be tilted.

"Don’t forget that a bad ball can have the same affect. "

Eccentric ball in size or weight is common for all dealers at that table, damages on ball track are also common. Only ball back spinning may be different from dealer to dealer.

Assuming that dealer may somehow influence the ball that for one or the other reason after 15 revolutions in last revolution it behaves differently, as you described. (more vibrating)
Vibration across ball track is proportional to ball speed in last revolution, but let’s say it may be some other factors to increase it under some conditions.

Why would slightly increased vibration when the ball hits dominant diamond cause ball to behave differently in bouncing across rotor pockets or create more unpredictable scatter? Why it wouldn’t create better one for us?

“I’ll see if I can upload a video to help you view and hear the effect.”

Does video shows that based on way you spin the ball; sound of ball IN LAST ROTATION is different even the ball going for same DD.

That would be prove of explanation you told us, but still then you would need many spins as that separated from ones with low noise and compare the ball scatters.

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Fatburner why would you practically name a casino where you play on a public forum?

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Sofia is name of his city, about 1.5 m population.

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Correct :slight_smile: