Forehand/Backhand


#1

Hi everyone, im a new guest, hoping i can provoke a little discussion about Dealer Signature.

I would like to put forward the theory that the a large number of dealers seem to be more accurate in there ball placement around the wheel when spinning ball clockwise/wheel anticlockwise.

I am just a novice player and haven’t done any controlled experiments as such, however from my observation’s i feel there is a strong possibility dealers like tennis players are stronger with a forehand spin than a backhand.

Well aware any conclusions i make are subjective and however I’m interested in anyone elses thoughts and opinion’s on whether this is a credible theory.


#2

test it out, where are the best results of your statistics,make always stats, it depends on the diamonds too.
You need akkumulations of hits , where are the most, the best.
But be careful, it could chance,
The reason why most VB’s fail, they are not experianced enough to identify that. But generally stay
at the best direction you found out.

At one of my favourite casino , there are several VB’s they know the best tables and the best directions.
One table no one plays , one table should have a tilt, later I would look for.
In the moment I am successful at 2 Tables, the same direction, but it’s not carved in stone.

E.H.


#3

I agree, and well aware without any real life stats to back it up, it is just an assumption on my part.

I’m just putting it forward as a theory as I’m wondering if anyone else has thoughts on the subject.


#4

I understand what you are trying to achieve here, and I really think you are looking something which may not yield a lot of good information.

I see a lot of roulette players get lost in the details when it comes to advantage play. Research and development has it’s place, but we are talking about a dealer’s individual skill here. Why not just rate the dealer?

Dealers are left handed, right handed, longer fingers, slender fingers, short fingers, fat fingers, even how tall or short they are will make a difference in how easily they can get a grip on the ball. Some of the dealers may have broken hands in the past, have arthritis, nerve damage, among other things. The point I am getting at is these are all individual problems that will vary from dealer to dealer. There seems to be this flawed notion that there is a secret formula that works on all wheels the same way, and it also works on all dealers. The only thing that works on every wheel, dealer, and situation, is a system. Systems work poorly in any situation with a negative expectation. Advantage play is about finding a positive edge, and maximizing it.

Dealer signature is all about exploiting a specific dealer. If you were to just spend a few hours, rating each dealer for their consistencies, you would have a good idea what dealers would be worth avoiding and which ones would have good potential. The forehand backhand dealer will only tell you maybe a little bit of info that you could find a lot quicker by rating the dealer individually. You and I both know that everyone is very different, so dealers are no exception. I have encountered dealers that spin the ball very fast and consistently. Conversely I have encountered dealers that are so terrible at spinning the ball, that it only makes about 5 revs. But they were consistently bad at getting more than 5 revs, so they were predictable. Each dealer will have their pros and cons, you need to find out what those are and whether or not they are worth playing.

When you are playing DS, you are looking for consistency, not a general average of events. Are they predictable? Are they consistent? How long are there conditions stable for? When is the best time to play them? When is the worst time to play? These are the kinds of questions you should be focussing on.

Just my opinion.


#5

sucks


#6
I agree, and well aware without any real life stats to back it up, it is just an assumption on my part.

I'm just putting it forward as a theory as I'm wondering if anyone else has thoughts on the subject.

Yes Ihave , but not only for you but rather for all the other interested guy's.

Successful VB ( without RC ) is like to created a perfect 5 Stars Bouillabaisse, if you ask any of the world- class chefs ( Kelly,
the Saxons , Scott ,Forester , small Elhombre ) for their recipes, they will tell u that they don't follow recipes.
They will explain that the cooking process is dependent on the ingredients, but that these ingredients cannot be measured
and combined according to unchanging formulas. Tomatoes are sometimes more acidic ; onions may be more sweet ;
the pungency of garlic, peppers, and various herbs and spices depends of the conditions of the soil and the weather
in which they grew , etc. Ideal cooking times for meats and vegetables depend on the specific tenderness, ripeness, etc.
Anyone can follow recipes to make good nourishing meals . But if you want to cook food on a truly gourment level , then
the recipe is simply a basic guide to the combining of ingredents.
[b]The master chief uses his sense of smell , taste, sight, and touch throughout  the cooking process.
What he learns from his senses always overrides any written recipe he may be following.

[/b]
Elhombre

Please think about that , a big step to VB success. I do so

#7
Successful VB ( without RC ) is like to created a perfect 5 Stars Bouillabaisse, if you ask any of the world- class chefs ( Kelly, the Saxons , Scott ,Forester , small Elhombre ) for their recipes, they will tell u that they don't follow recipes. They will explain that the cooking process is dependent on the ingredients, but that these ingredients cannot be measured and combined according to unchanging formulas. Tomatoes are sometimes more acidic ; onions may be more sweet ; the pungency of garlic, peppers, and various herbs and spices depends of the conditions of the soil and the weather in which they grew , etc. Ideal cooking times for meats and vegetables depend on the specific tenderness, ripeness, etc. Anyone can follow recipes to make good nourishing meals . But if you want to cook food on a truly gourment level , then the recipe is simply a basic guide to the combining of ingredents.
yes really philosofhial work :), but you ar wrong - some recipie exsist and if you will not folow them, you cant win in this game. Of course there are many freedom but some lows you must follow. And here no matter which kind of game you play VB or RC. Principles everywhere are the same. You must folow main principle - Forester once say about it in his famous article about [u]Evolution of roulettes advantage play[/u]. Read that article few times that is very good article - you will not found such description about play in any book...

#8

Im interested in reading this article, any chance you can point me in the direction of any credible info really.

Oh I should just reiterate, i am just a novice who’s decided it’s time to get serious. I’m pretty hungry for any info which may help my game and understanding of the physics.

Maybe when i put that theory up i overlooked some variable or something, maybe i just didn’t make my line of thinking clear.

Firstly, i shouldn’t have said clockwise/anti clockwise, i think this could lead to confusion as to what im saying.

Secondly, is that a word? lol? i think it’s variable you would only take into consideration if your betting at a table where you have to lay your bets out before the spin, online perhaps.

Thirdly, now that’s definetely not a word, but hell, if the yanks can invent words, so can i. Im not talking about left hand or right hand dominant, because it depends on whether it’s a left hand or right hand table, which hand is being used to spin, which, incidently is yet another variable 1 might factor in if forced to play a particular way. Anyway when a dealer spins the ball, if spun forward, its a flick or roll of the wrist, when spun back, maybe its not as fluid a movement, it’s still a flick or roll of the wrist, just back the other direction. but is it as accurate. If, and i say if, it becomes apparent while watching or playing this is the case, then its possible to increase your chance of swinging the odds by only betting when the dealer spins a particular direction. My thinking is, if your playing a game where you can’t lay your bets out after the ball has been spun, and you know the dealer isn’t as accurate spinning in a particular direction, and you decide that’s when you place your, for example 15 number section bet, then you theoretically can increase you chance of beating him, and winning.

Just a theory.


#9

Here is the link …
http://rouletteplace.com/index.php?topic=1019.0


#10

Thanks for the link,

After skimming over what Forrester has said, I’ think he sort of adds weight to my theory, Forrester highlights and pretty much confirms my thought’s when he states, we have to look every second spin, and he talks about gathering stats which may show us the dealer has a more identifiable signature 1 direction than the other. If your using it to your advantage, and winning,

The dealer might know it too. He could be be standing there eyeing you thinking, he know’s I’m weaker in this direction.