# Double Actionâ„¢ Roulette

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You can also watch the video.

http://www.tcsjohnhuxley.com/en/live-gaming/roulette-wheels/double-action-roulette.html
Rotor has 2 parts that rotate in opposite directions.
If numbers align you win 1200:1

Sounds impossible to predict it but actually it might be great opportunity.

Instead of predicting where the ball will stop we might predict when there is a higher chance that some numbers on rotor will align.

For example we may play 9 numbers around zero every selected spin. On a long run it will stop there every 4th spin.

We play only when FF-D Action roulette computer ;D expects that numbers on rotor will align.

If you come across wheel as that let me know for further discussion.

It’s in Aspers at The Gate

Newgate Street
Newcastle Upon Tyne, United Kingdom NE1 5TG, United Kingdom

Anyone close?

Hi,
There is an auto roulette wheel with three separate rings with numbers (all single zero) in a casino in my home town.I guess we can call it “triple action roulette”.

Unfortunately there is no juicy payout odds similar to the “1200 to 1 for any two identical numbers” odds for this double action wheel above.At least that was what a croupier inside the casino told me.

She explain to me that you simply have the option to wager on the inner ring numbers only or on the others rings as well but naturally you need to place three chips in order to have your bet legit for payout on all the rings for a single number.
And the payout odds are 35 to 1 as usual.
Often enough though,these servants inside the casino are pretty messed up and ignorant about the rules of the games the casino offers and i might need to visit this particular casino again and study the layout and onscreen menues myself.

At first i was very excited about this info I’ve got from a friend about the “triple action wheel” available and tried to figure out if there is a way to gain advantage over such wheel.
But if there is no proposition bets with better odds i don’t know…

Maybe if we are not trying to predict where the ball will end but instead we try to estimate the time remaining to the end of the spin and if within that time two (or all three)
of the rings will align in certain sectors,we just bet those sectors as Forester suggests.This might be the way to go.

But i definitely need to pay another visit to the casino and take a closer look. I don’t know if the numbers on the rings are like mirror reversed (like in the video promo of the double action) or not but it makes sense they are.

I’ll take a more closer examination of that wheel and will give some feedback when i do.

Regards!

Doctor, is it this one ? Scroll down to the end of the thread.

http://vlsroulette.com/gambling-history-and-casino-life/ige-2010-london/

Its too good to be true.
Casinos are making improvements on their wheels in order not to be predictable…so they wouldn t make any mistake in this new wheels…they are moving forward and not backward.

I BET that the 2 rotors will be locking in any time during the spin … so this make it absolutelly random.

Huxley is a big complany…it can t make so easy mistakes.

Well that what I would like to find out.]

It might be hard with VB methods but RC might have very good chance.
Clock one rotor clock rotor get information about alignment and speed.
Clock ball just to find out remaining time when rotor lock (if it is not random).
Calculate

Play always same numbers around zero and calculate will they align.
If the wheel is predictable with good ball scatter RC can add which numbers to play and will it align.
Bingo.

@ Kelly:
Hi,yes it seems just like one of these the way i recall it.
I remember also the two outer rings were moving each in opposite direction so it is like this: most inner ring CW,the second outer ring ACW and the third ring CW again.It seemed to me for the short time I’ve watching it that after the ball drops into the final pocket the two outer rings continued their movement for a second or two and then stopped,but I’m not sure if the time of prolonged rotation is constant from spin to spin.

About the DA wheel,obviously the frequency of occurrence of the event of alignment of any two numbers is a bit less than 1 in 1200.I think the chances are 37^2 or 1 in 1369 which gives the casino an extra edge of more or less 14% for a single zero wheel.
Also the practical side of waiting on average for 1369 spins for alignment to come is a bit questionable.
But let me see if there is something more to it when i visit the casino soon.

I see some possibilities here.

Just thinking about it, I kind of like this wheel. Dirt, debris, bearing problems, the shape of those pockets, interesting…

So far, I have never seen one or played one, but I see some possibilities.

Snowman

If we play 9 pockets around zero we will get ball there every 4 spins.
If we can predict will the numbers inline within 18 pockets
We would win every 4 x 18=72 spins

For that time we would place 72 x 9=649 units
Profit 551 units regardless how the ball jumps but it is important to be able to know when rotors will lock.

More moving parts are a plus too.

I rest my case your honour :-* :-* :-*

Hi All,
Well, I did visit this casino with the Triple action roulette machine,here is the situation:

The three rings are all moving in the same direction but in different speed (the further away from the center - the faster).The numbers on all of the rings are in the same direction and sequence (no reversing).
The player has options to choose between three wheels waggering mode and a single(most inner)wheel mode.Any winnings are paid 35:1.
There is another betting layout on the screen,available for both single and triple wheel modes called “triple poker” (or stg like that).If the player choose to put a chip on this layout he will win if a double(two identical numbers),triple(any three identical numbers excluding zero),flush(three numbers of the same color),straight(three consecutive numbers) or super triple(three zeroes) falls out.
I don’t remember the exact payout odds on the different combinations,but I remember I’ve calculated they are carrying huge house edge and are not favorable to the player (even the super triple at odds of 1:1000)

The NMB is called almost simultaneously with the ball release (maybe a second later),after wqhich the ball makes 20 or so rotations.The speed of the rings doesnt seem to change during spin,but when the ball will rest into the final pocket the two outer rings continue their movements for another 5,6 seconds and then slowed down and finaly stoped.
So to my opinion it is not possible to apply any kind of VB on that wheel and gain advantage even with a RC in hand.
The wheel is producing a fair amount of rollers and back bouncings.
I wasn’t able to find any signs of exploitable bias or DS either,but ofcourse I’m no expert in the area.

I am yet to see a Double action wheel in my town and if I do I’ll give it a closer look.

P.S. I couldn’t find the spellcheck option,pls excuse the spelling

Thanks :-*

The wheel is producing a fair amount of rollers and back bouncings.
That would be irrelevant since the point is not to predict numbers where the ball will stop.

The main issue would be this part
“two outer rings continue their movements for another 5,6 seconds and then slowed down and finaly stoped”

[quote=“Forester, post:13, topic:669”]Thanks :-*

The wheel is producing a fair amount of rollers and back bouncings.
That would be irrelevant since the point is not to predict numbers where the ball will stop.

The main issue would be this part
“two outer rings continue their movements for another 5,6 seconds and then slowed down and finaly stoped”[/quote]

Hi,Forester
Yes rollers and back bouncings are irrelevant in regards to the method of clocking you suggested.I’ve just pointed it out as a distinctive
feature I’ve noticed on this wheel (I should have left more space between the sentences )

It would be great to have someone who already did test the DA wheel in London to lay some info… :-\