Dominant Diamonds


#1

Has anyone noticed which, if any, of the 4 vertical Diamonds on the wheel are often the most Dominant Diamond/Diamonds?

In relation to the Dealer?

And where he stands in relation to the wheel?

Is it more often a Diamond or Diamonds in a particular area?

LifeofLeisure.


#2

Bro, theoretically speaking, dd’s do depend on physical level of wheel and imperfections of the ball track, l don’t think that dealer is able to influence it.lf he could, it would be cheating… some kind of magnets or just a hitt with the foot, mechanism to pull the ball out of track… possibilities are endless. However, moust of the wheels are semi titled, and things like atmospheric pressure can affect them, how many people are leaning on the table can influence as well…


#3

Appreciate your reply Sergiy.

Whether the dealers actions are intentional are a separate question, my point is the dealer has to put his hand on the rotor every spin, then places his hand next to the rim of the wheel and spins, while his side kick stands there scraping up chips and stacking them. there’s physical contact with the wheel and it’s from the dealer. I’m wondering if anyone’s noticed a correlation, ie: after tracking a wheel, and dominant diamonds a found, are they more often than not found to be particular diamonds.

It’s just a question, and although the answer maybe obvious I’m putting it out there,

Attempting to be objective in the way i ask it.

And thanks again.

LifeofLeisure.


#4

Kelly wrote a nice article about how pressure can change a semi tilted wheel at hes blog.
http://wheelwatchersopinion.blogspot.se/


#5

Thanks Lucky_Strike.

Yeah i read that article some time ago and i agree it’s another variable which needs to be factored in, and i would really appreciate some feedback from Kelly on this subject.

I have found his posts to be very informative, and constructive without straying to far from the subject.

In saying that i have found the environment created and the majority of the posts on this Forum to be constructive.

LifeofLeisure.


#6

Well, the horisontal diamonds are not as interesting as the vertical because the horisontal ones doesnt deflect the ball down into the wheel. The problem is that the ball gets a bit more momentum as it hits the horisontal and only drops when it hits the next vertcal diamond, which means that the rotor has moved further than expected durng that time. Sometimes the scatter will also be smaller because the ball has less momentum and will almost compensate for the extended rotor movement. If there are plenty of horisontal hits, one should make an analyse along with everything else to see if it has an effect that can be explored.

As for the air pressure, you can notice it and compare to the strike diamonds. If the strike diamonds change with the air pressure you can react on it, if not bin it.


#7

First I’d like to say thanks for the reply Kelly.

I have picked up so much useful information since i joined this Forum, and everyone here who has replied to anything I’ve posted has been really helpful.

And yes i was referring to the vertical diamonds. without focusing on the air pressure which i agree does have an effect on the ball and almost moves the hit point of the ball up or down the dominant diamonds which if correct me if I’m wrong extends or shortens the distance the ball travels, or can even cause the ball to bounce back on the rotor.

The reason i ask is because i often i find the dominant diamond/diamonds to be on a particular side of the wheel in relation to the dealer and i think the physical contact etc on that side of the wheel is often the cause of the wheel having a dominant diamond.

Actually the more i play or observe i notice all sorts of seemingly random events however these random events seem to occur at different wheel speeds etc, and I’m now focusing more on grouping these event while trying not to over complicate any prediction i make based on my at present very limited knowledge base.

LifeofLeisure.


#8

Sorry, Bro, now l got your point… there was some interesting events l observed as well… l think there should be dealers, who exploit same principles as we do to alter the edje in favor of the casino. So on these cases, dd are created by the purpose! !! In the situation s l did suspect it, dd normally was just in front of the dealler, or to his left hand side… hope it helps


#9

I’m finding that more often than not the dominant diamonds are opposite the dealer.

In 1 Casino i found 4 out of 6 tables the more dominant diamonds were opposite the dealer. I know they used to balance the wheels after every shift however it’s been along time since I’ve seen them do it.

Makes me wonder if this is the main reason star burst wheels have never taken over, if it’s more random, it’s less dependable to the Casino, and in effect can’t be relied upon to swing the odds more in the Casino’s favour.

It’s my belief he Casino’s have a major advantage over the advanced player through the dealers and the human psychy.

The majority of the human race subconsciously seek some form of approval, it’s a sheep thing i think. Many dealer’s try to increase the houses edge for some form of recognition, trying to show the Casino they have value. That dealer really want’s to belong, The dealer is brain washed into thinking it’s good if he takes money from a punter, a human being, and gives it to the Multinational Cooporation who laugh and say thanks for coming sucker.

So in effect the biggest suckers to ever walk into a Casino, are employed by the Casino, they are the dealers who actually work for them.

My apologies to any dealer’s reading this post as your life does have value.

LifeofLeisure.


#10

Hi, LifeofLeisure. Your post is interesting and I have something to share from the yesterday trip to Macau.

Yes, DD can be effected through human, whether it is conscious or not. I happened to play(watch would be a better word)at a table, and I noticed 3 big sized men at the end of the table, pressing on the table while standing to watch as the ball fall. The ball really hitted the DD at their direction. Then when they left, the DD no longer there.

What a way to get a new DD, did you get me? :wink:


#11

[quote=“Kelly, post:6, topic:963”]Well, the horisontal diamonds are not as interesting as the vertical because the horisontal ones doesnt deflect the ball down into the wheel. The problem is that the ball gets a bit more momentum as it hits the horisontal and only drops when it hits the next vertcal diamond, which means that the rotor has moved further than expected durng that time. Sometimes the scatter will also be smaller because the ball has less momentum and will almost compensate for the extended rotor movement. If there are plenty of horisontal hits, one should make an analyse along with everything else to see if it has an effect that can be explored.

As for the air pressure, you can notice it and compare to the strike diamonds. If the strike diamonds change with the air pressure you can react on it, if not bin it.[/quote]

I have also been thinking about this, when ball hits horizontal deflectors and continue to jump towards to the vertical deflector next to it.
Nice input about losing momentum/force and rotor movement versus shorter scatter pattern as compensation.
Small and nice details.