Determining bias?


#21

How can I give you some of my eggs? Oldtimer needs a sunny-side up… ;D


#22

[quote=“Jefra, post:19, topic:506”]Professionls will say- DO NOT PLAY FUCKEN AIRBALL MACHINES.

If you don’t believe me, then ask Oldtimer :-\ :-*[/quote]

Just to remind you fucking airball/slingshot wheel that ive been traking has gave me good rewards in last few days (please read last post properly ) hence my reason for scouting them out
we all know your reasond Jefra heheheh ::slight_smile:
Dont forget Poland Jefra

@viper try to learn one subject at a time then before you try to give out advice like an OLDTIMER be sure of the facts

if Id took that advice in Poland It would have literally cost me thousands

also while Im on the subject ,I see you in forums ACTING and giving the impression that youve been doing bias VB RC for years ( and I could quote you too)

So for the record ,VIPER 5 ASKED ME if VB, Bias or RC etc worked,This was ONLY 18 months~
Jefra was on same msn window ,We tried to help him ,we did nt laugh we tried to help U

Now the way I see it is ,Ur a new boy ,U should be listening not spouting off your mouth at the big boys;; U after only 18 months~ like to poarade youslef as a knoe all at most forums with different names explaining one minute about your latest maths system to beat roulette then next U jump over the fence BACK to AP

Ill try to help U again,these guys you piss off are profis Ure trying to be one (ok no harm in that) but Ure trying to get where they are overnight ,it dont work like that

so then fucking listen and learn,come back when Uve acheived something

Look at you very first posts here that U made;;;;;;Buy FF one day next week down to casino,Hey guys and ill keep you posted everytime I go to casino on how I do ,well that post didnt come to much now did it??

then fucking listen and learn,come back when Uve acheived something

Ure problem is you got no patcience and Ure incapacity to digest what he has tried ti learn leeds to Ure frustrations and then you come back like a spoiled kid throwiing a tantrum taking it out on forester

Oil on the track you fucking loser U If IT WAS GOOD FOR ONE OF THEE MOSTG RESPECTED VB PLAYERS IN THEE WORLD ;;;;THEN DO U HONESTLY THINK THE REST OF THE ROULETTE COMUNITY LISTENS OR CARES ABOUT WHAT u TYPE

ANSWER no

Listen for the last time ,if you cant get anadvatage on that wheel that was used for the contest,then you got to tell yourself this ;;;;;;IM DOING SOMETHING WRONG;;;;Ull get know where by blaming forester

ask yourslef WHY its not working for you then Ure on the right track to succes

If you constantly find that you cant get an advantage with that wheel then AP in the RC depatrment is not for you

WHEN THE PUPIL IS READY TO LEARN,THE TEACHINGS WILL BEGIN

LISTEN DIGEST LEARN ASK ,ASK AND NEVER STOP ASKING

PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE

i WISH FOR THE DAY TO COME WHEN ure SUCCESFUL AND YOU COME BACK TO THE FORUM AND SAY

guys im A WINNER A REAL WINNER ;;;;AND SOOOOO SORRY I WAS WRONG , AND u WHERE RIGHT

WHEN YOUR AT THAT POINT IN YOUR AP CAREER THEN ULL have made it

ull be a winner but more importantly a MAN cos it takes a man to say that

A MAN FIRST THEN A WINNER

I STILL WISH u ALL THE BEST AND GOOD LUCK , your just confused and you need help,i WISH WE COULD MEET one hour with myself would probably clear many things up for as regarding the FF

Geez I did nt half tell him ,my finger hurts after all that

ok im off :-* :-* :-*


#23

So for the record ,VIPER 5 ASKED ME if VB Bias RC etc worked

I have never cared to play bias…so i have never cared to see what is a VB Bias RC…I really can t understand how u can think of all these conclusions.

My advices didn t come out of my head…
The advices I gave u are comming straingh from the secret bias book of Snowman.

Do u like the advices then take them.
Don t u like the advices then drop them…

Its really that simple.

And i don t consider u as an advantage player…because u really don t know even the basics.
Eg u don t even knpow that in order to start playing in a biased wheel u need to have record at least 3.000 spins…or that u must record the spins seperate on eatch direction of ball …or that u must identify the ball orbit decay patterns…etc…etc …etc…

As for VB …I don t dare to speak…lol…U don t even know how to make a VB prediction.

U are just folowing what Forester is saying…U have never searched other approaches ,so u can t compare things!
When u will see the forest and not just the tree…then u will have made a progrees.


#24

2 ppl just pmed me to sell Snowman s book.
I just have to say that I will NOT sell his book.
I am lucky to have it and the person that gave it to me gave it with the promise to never give it away.
So please no more pms…thanks.

I also like Snowman so i don t want to harm him in any way.


#25

I refer you to my reply I gave above (youre advice would have cost me 1000,s in Poland)(3000 yeh ok stop making a fool of yourself and go back to vls and dig up your HG post)

so your own admiton is you dont care about Rc Bias VB etc

a true contraditon if i ever saw one,basically then why are you here???

SO DO YOU DENY that U asked Jefra and I about 18 months ago about AP working VB Bias RC FF etc???
YES OR NO

you also are n ot quilified in the least on my capabilities on AP;, niether you nor anyone elce here has seen the conditons for this wheel , if youd look or download the files then even a blind man could see there are three files ,do I really need to spell it out to you why there is three files???

looook this is what everbody elce can see including Kelly which if youd care to read comented onthese THREE FILES Re: Determining bias?
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2010, 12:06:47 PM thats the post heading

Hers a link for you maybe you could point out to me what the hell Kellys going on about???

http://rouletteplace.com/index.php?topic=964.msg9593#msg9593

LOL you are truely a joke now go away

You have no info to base your judgment ,then again nothing new there


#26

Security man. U know nothing about AP.
U are a descrase of the AP comunity.
Every single post of you about AP is OUT OF TOPIC!
The only thing u know is to make “clicks” to the FFA.I assure u that this ain t AP.
It is ppl like u that make the math system players make a bad name about APers.

Now go and study AP.


#27

As I thought the quistions ,you sim ply avoid them


#28

Viper asked me to remove his account which I did.
Anyway I was upset with him ,but i do not like banning people. He was trying to sell 4 years old FFZ which he got as a mercy.
If Manuel with old FFZ gave him and Snows book he is silly.


#29

Strange is that we do not know anymore who really is Manuel and when we last talked to him, IF we really talked to MAnuel or we maybe talked to Viper who was acting as Manuel.

Ops, here also is Oldtimer, for which noone knows why he came here :o :o :stuck_out_tongue: ;D :-*


#30

…So Viper asked to be removed…what about the other 17 of him that is here? :o

mmmm… multiple personality disorder comes to mind…

Difficult to medicate such a person… take Viper for instance. It wouldn’t help to give him a bottle of pills…you would have to give him 17 bottles…one for each personality! ;D

Cheers
Toxic


#31

Latest data …my suspicions seem ti be relised as I can actually see the bias

2nd file is blocks of 500 spins off the monitor

CW ACW to follow ( as soon as I can find the data i entered in both files aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarg >:( >:( >:( >:( ::slight_smile: ::slight_smile: ::slight_smile: ::slight_smile: ::slight_smile: ::slight_smile: ::slight_smile:


AP 7th full file sept 2010.txt (7.84 KB)

AP block 500 5th nov sept 2010.txt (16.8 KB)


#32

Hello All,
A question for the maths and bias competent guys - is playing 19 numbers sector showing about 2.5 SD over 1700 spins justified?
I know the sample size is like twice as less as the minimum,but this wheel is looking really battered and feel like there is stg wrong with it.
Is 2.5 SD enough for giving it a try?Or i need to examine it further and jump in only if i see there is >3, >4 SD?
Thanks!


#33

I got a PM from X complaining about downswings and flucation and in combination with x post i just assume there is not so much of DS.
As i understand it he does like many others just collect data and believe that when they find a 3 or 4 std they have a bias ( that is a false positive ) and could easy make some one to end up in a trap.
Sure there is a way to verify if a 3 or 4 std is due to random fluctuation or not and that is why all this talk about std becomes pseudo and not a actually std that verify if you truly have a bias and that it is not due to random fluctuation.
Should also mention that other common misstake is the belief that pin point out individual numbers all over the wheel will cut it with same bench mark as 3 or 4 std as for a sector bias - so deadly wrong.


#34

What are the most common telltail signs of a possible bias wheel? Or should I have asked that in a more secure section?

Cheers
Toxic


#35

SD does not cut it alone, the Chi Square and the visual bias part must indicate it too. Not to mention, checking if the number ring has not been rotated, which takes the casino roughly 2 - 3 minutes.

If bias spotting was just collecting numbers, what could possibly be easyer.


#36

[quote=“Kelly, post:11, topic:506”]7th - 6 Nov CW
Single numbers: you got # 28 as the best number with 2.54 SD and #33 second with a 2.31 SD.

Looking at 3, 5, 7, 10 and 12 pocket sectors, the best bet is at 3 pocket sectors is at #1 with a 2.31 SD for 3 pockets with 1 in center. All sector sizes above that is below 2 SD and is flattening as the sector size grow.

7th Sept - 5th Nov ACW
Single numbers: 17 with a 2.75 SD

Sectors: Best bet is a 5 pocket sector with #2 as center with 2.56 SD The rest is around 2 SD. Slightly above or below.

The full file
Single numbers: #17 with 3.25 SD the rest is at 2SD or below

Sectors; 3 number sectors with #12 in the center and 2.52 SD or a 5 pocket sector with #2 as center with a 2.47SD.

I cant make any conclusions, but 17 seems to have had some hits in both directions. Try look a little closer in the 17 area. #13 and # 34 has some negative SD and could be donating a little bit to 17 but it could also be a pocket bias in #17 if it is not just a coincidence. 1400 spins is not extremely high. Take a closer look at the ball action and if possible, see if you can hear a difference when the ball hits the bottom of the 17 pocket. Dont try to sector bet 17, the SD drops rapidly around 17 and pulls the 3 and 5 pocket (with 17 as center) down at 1.3 SD or below.[/quote]

Did a fun experiment to see if the result would become the same using a wheel signature with sectors of 5.
cw and ccw …


#37

[quote=“doctoritcata, post:32, topic:506”]Hello All,
A question for the maths and bias competent guys - is playing 19 numbers sector showing about 2.5 SD over 1700 spins justified?
I know the sample size is like twice as less as the minimum,but this wheel is looking really battered and feel like there is stg wrong with it.
Is 2.5 SD enough for giving it a try?Or i need to examine it further and jump in only if i see there is >3, >4 SD?
Thanks![/quote]

Assuming the bias was actually real and and not random, you’d need a monstrous bankroll to handle the fluctuations. Even playing HALF of those numbers can still present problems. I do think the sample size is still pretty small for the amount of numbers you are trying to bet. But that’s just me.


#38

[quote=“Davey-Jones, post:37, topic:506”][quote=“doctoritcata, post:32, topic:506”]Hello All,
A question for the maths and bias competent guys - is playing 19 numbers sector showing about 2.5 SD over 1700 spins justified?
I know the sample size is like twice as less as the minimum,but this wheel is looking really battered and feel like there is stg wrong with it.
Is 2.5 SD enough for giving it a try?Or i need to examine it further and jump in only if i see there is >3, >4 SD?
Thanks![/quote]

Assuming the bias was actually real and and not random, you’d need a monstrous bankroll to handle the fluctuations. Even playing HALF of those numbers can still present problems. I do think the sample size is still pretty small for the amount of numbers you are trying to bet. But that’s just me.[/quote]

Davey mate :slight_smile: you are correct as allways.

Well Caleb is the expert and recording to him you have to track your self to death hehehe ;D just kidding and with out DS you can track until you die hahaha :o

Well there is one soloution witch i like.
First you track a wheel for 800 to 1000 and if the COR is 1 in 100 or the shi 50/55 you can continue to track or skip that wheel.
The bench mark using this strategy with out DS is to collect 3000 and if it holds up you verify the pesudo std with a new sampel of 1500.
That is a total of 4500 and should be pretty safe if you get a “actualy” std and not a “pesudo” std and at least a cor that is 1 in 100.

2,33 - 0,99009692444083600000 - 0,99030755591642500000% - 101

3 - 0,99865010196837000000 - 0,13498980316301000000% - 741

No way you would play 19 numbers - 2.5 std.


#39

DAVE plus 1

Doc,that would be suicide

try to find something like a 5 number sector or less

Secman :-* :-*


#40

[quote=“Toxic, post:34, topic:506”]What are the most common telltail signs of a possible bias wheel? Or should I have asked that in a more secure section?

Cheers
Toxic[/quote][quote=“Toxic, post:34, topic:506”]What are the most common telltail signs of a possible bias wheel? Or should I have asked that in a more secure section?

Cheers
Toxic[/quote]

Maybe not a bad idea to move this to a private section

Question you ask isnt sensitive ,but the answers could be

Toxic ,tie up with me on msn

all the best mate

Secman

PS Some posts have been edited