Cammegh Mercury 360


#1

Has anyone noticed that the Mercury 360 has a different type of plastic insert? It is like a dull color insert and it prevents light reflection. I looked and could not see any light reflecting from the pockets. Is this a definite countermeasure by Cammegh?

BTW all the wheels have been changed at Grand West. Every single old Huxley is gone. Now half are new Huxleys (White tracks and cone - Saturns) And the other half Mercury 360s. Will check if they are RRS or not. With Grand West I would not be surprised in the least if they are RRS. Bunch of MFs.


#2


[quote=“Toxic”]Has anyone noticed that the Mercury 360 has a different type of plastic insert? It is like a dull color insert and it prevents light reflection. I looked and could not see any light reflecting from the pockets. Is this a definite countermeasure by Cammegh?[/quote]
Of course that can be as contameasure, only questtion against what ? Player who losted before - will lost also in future. Player which not losted before, will not start loosing.
So casino really spent money, because they wanted that to do, but not because to win more from players.
All what do Casino in this direction will not grow their earnings, more - oposite - enought to spread the rumor, that casino with theese wheels cheat players and casino very easy can lose in amount of participiants - so with that loss in money.
I not know if possible efect by this in big casinos, but say in small we achieved that manual Blackjack will return instead of mashine . Simply several players when casino bought automats for blackjack tryed to talk that automats can give any card and by this can kill any player. Abouth two month almoust nobody played blackjack and they returned hand mixing…


#3


Big difference is that shuffle machines were on display, rrs has been made subtle so as not to be seen by the average punter.


#4

[quote=“bebediktus”]

[quote=“Toxic”]Has anyone noticed that the Mercury 360 has a different type of plastic insert? It is like a dull color insert and it prevents light reflection. I looked and could not see any light reflecting from the pockets. Is this a definite countermeasure by Cammegh?[/quote]
Of course that can be as contameasure, only questtion against what ? Player who losted before - will lost also in future. Player which not losted before, will not start loosing.
So casino really spent money, because they wanted that to do, but not because to win more from players.
All what do Casino in this direction will not grow their earnings, more - oposite - enought to spread the rumor, that casino with theese wheels cheat players and casino very easy can lose in amount of participiants - so with that loss in money.
I not know if possible efect by this in big casinos, but say in small we achieved that manual Blackjack will return instead of mashine . Simply several players when casino bought automats for blackjack tryed to talk that automats can give any card and by this can kill any player. Abouth two month almoust nobody played blackjack and they returned hand mixing…

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I was referring to ‘looking’ for pocket bias


#5

These pocket pads have been around for several years to my knowledge. I would expect it is do do with defect spotting though I don’t think the modern day pocket pad has the same issues of those of the past anyway, pre applied glue and a test that takes a second to perform means we need non existent maintenance to find wheels from the past with severe pocket pad issues.

Just my 2 cents.


#6


[quote=“devilish”]I don’t think the modern day pocket pad has the same issues of those of the past anyway, pre applied glue and a test that takes a second to perform means we need non existent maintenance to find wheels from the past with severe pocket pad issues.
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Not clear what you name as pocket pad, but if talk about bias then no matter how fresh is wheel - it still have some degree of bias, after year or two using it usually have slightly better bias. That bias is not maybe enough for easy beating, but still it allow to play very near to best on that wheel.
Of course if your skill allow only colect numbers - that will not help you much, but colecting numbers is not only what you can do …:slight_smile:
By the way picture how looks forum now - i like more :). And i can say - method of play is like this forum picture - some like one - some other. But that not means that some is better and some worse.
Essence is not in method , but how much negative bets allow to do method. Say are such beautiful method - Martingale - very often wins - but all bets - negative … :slight_smile:


#7


Pocket pad is the coloured insert at the bottom of the pocket and I am assuming toxic refers to the reflection to see mishaped pocket pad defects not so easy to be seen on the pocket pads he describes.

The rest of your post seems non relevant or makes much sense to me.


#8


[quote=“devilish”]to see mishaped pocket pad defects not so easy to be seen on the pocket pads he describes.[/quote]
But that pad defect leads to bias, or to what ?


#9

I think the preceding posts are quite explanatory. Not sure your motive or reason for being cryptic or demi god like when there is no cause for it.


#10

t[quote=“Toxic”]I was referring to ‘looking’ for pocket bias[/quote]
I read here.

He say, that because of that changed pad - have troubles with detecting bias. I write that all depends on that, how you look for that bias - if primitive, then of course any change have effect. But if you use for detecting bias something advanted - then such small thing, like not reflecting light, cant do significiant effect in detecting bias.

What is bad in that mine talk ?


#11
I don't think the modern day pocket pad has the same issues of those of the past anyway, pre applied glue and a test that takes a second to perform means we need non existent maintenance to find wheels from the past with severe pocket pad issues.


Wanna bet?

It's not always the pad either. Often times it's an entire loose lobe in the pocket compartment. Sometimes the bolts that hold the entire compartment in place aren't seated very well and you'll find areas that are loose and absorbing energy. Some wheels brands are more susceptible than others. Many of the wheels have 37/38 bolts that hold these compartments in place. Sometimes you'll find an entire semicircle of the pocket compartment that rises and falls, preventing full contact with the floor of the rotor.

Here's how it happens... If you over tighten one semicircle of the pocket compartment too much when assembling it or rotating the compartment, then you introduce a high spot where you may find the energy absorbing lobe. In some ways it's like over tightening the first lug nut when changing a flat tire on a car.

(By the way, I haven't assembled any Cammegh 360s, so I don't know for sure what their susceptibility to it actually is.)

#12
Has anyone noticed that the Mercury 360 has a different type of plastic insert? It is like a dull color insert and it prevents light reflection. I looked and could not see any light reflecting from the pockets. Is this a definite countermeasure by Cammegh?

BTW all the wheels have been changed at Grand West. Every single old Huxley is gone. Now half are new Huxleys (White tracks and cone - Saturns) And the other half Mercury 360s. Will check if they are RRS or not. With Grand West I would not be surprised in the least if they are RRS. Bunch of MFs.


Rather than using light reflections...try this:

Stand back a little bit further from the wheel. Hold your head dead still...let the wheel spin...looking over the top of the wheel at the far side of the wheel... follow the very very back of the pocket insert pad... you will see a line that you can follow and compare to the back top of the pocket. Next...do the opposite for the front of the pocket.

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Another option is too look for the change of any shadow in the pocket, rather than light reflections.

#13

I probably would take that bet, yes. It is not clear how the fret ring is attached but it seems pretty easy to check the cammegh pocket pad over other wheels and even easier to confirm if you are the casino. But I would be interested if you have any design schematics on other wheels?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6XVmV1QL70


#14

Nice video thanks!


#15

[quote=“Snowman”]

Has anyone noticed that the Mercury 360 has a different type of plastic insert? It is like a dull color insert and it prevents light reflection. I looked and could not see any light reflecting from the pockets. Is this a definite countermeasure by Cammegh?

BTW all the wheels have been changed at Grand West. Every single old Huxley is gone. Now half are new Huxleys (White tracks and cone - Saturns) And the other half Mercury 360s. Will check if they are RRS or not. With Grand West I would not be surprised in the least if they are RRS. Bunch of MFs.


Rather than using light reflections…try this:

Stand back a little bit further from the wheel. Hold your head dead still…let the wheel spin…looking over the top of the wheel at the far side of the wheel… follow the very very back of the pocket insert pad… you will see a line that you can follow and compare to the back top of the pocket. Next…do the opposite for the front of the pocket.

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Another option is too look for the change of any shadow in the pocket, rather than light reflections.

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Thank you Snow. Appreciate your response. I will give it a go and see what I come up with.

#16

https://youtu.be/f6qdR34LnS4

I posted this video that shows the difference with and without rss on a mercury 360. I wanted to ask if you visually understand the difference between a mercury rss 360 and a non-rss. in a casino where I go, have installed all roulette mercury 360 I think not rss. These wheels do not rss, ff the works?
hello.


#17

Of course!
The RRS stands for Random Rotor Speed, and you can recognize them by counting the rotor speed at the beginning of a spin and at the end of the same spin. If you see a significant deviation between both speeds, so you’ll know it is a RRS-wheel. Do it for some more spins, not just one.