Okay, so ive done some research, and have come to the realisation that playing any form of VB on a roullette wheel takes an ENORMOUS amount of skill and precision, something i will attempt to continue to practice and develop. Needeless to say, some people will have it and some people wont, so Im really grateful of the experienced people here that share their knowledge of the game.
My main problem lies with the number of bets placed (straight up) in relation to the type of wheel played on. I was wondering how many numbers people on this forum bet on in one spin? usually if the wheel scatter is manageable and there is a dominant drop point, then i will bet on 5 numbers, as this is the most i can bet on before the dealer announces NMB, as well as the fact that i only need to win 1 in every 7 spins to stay in “business”, so to say. Any thoughts?
I bet between 5 and 9 numbers.
If you played Forester’s VB2, then you predict +/- 10 revs out. You should have more then enough time to place bets.
Otherwise you could do a call bet and place combination. In other words say call 5 neighbors x 5 (By $5) and at the same time place 4 chips on 33.1.20.14, Euro wheel, CW spin.
Cheers
Toxic
this is a very good point as i am in the same boat.
But the problem is that you cant bet around numbers by the DD, when the croupier calls NMB. No casino will have a wheel like that where it will hit that diamond all the time, and the scatter will be different. Without VB i think using 5 numbers is not enough. I dont know the answer to this perhaps the more experienced guys can give you an answer.
I will tell you how i play though, i use 5 corner bets which covers 20 numbers in total in a zig zag fashion. they are 7-11; 14-18; 19-23; 26-30 and 31-35 (or you can switch it around starting at 8-12 ending at 32-36). This bet will give you a 52% chance of winning, say you use 1 unit per corner then you get 8 units for every 5 spent so its a net profit of 3 units (IF IT LANDS). What i prefer to do is add some streets and straight up on top of this but i use the basic corner bets to determine how much i can gamble. For example if you use 1 unit per corner then you have 3 units to play around with so if you miss you gain nothing but you also lose nothing (unless its misses everything then you lose 8 units). Now those 3 units extra i use to bet my VB and since im not so good and i dont have a roulette computer its difficult.
There are many problems with this, its NOT a system its just something I dreamt up and do. It can fail horribly if you do the corner bets alone (on the same note it can win you tonnes of money) thus this is a gamble. If you put 2 unit per corner bet then you will have enough to do proper VB so it does act as a safety, if your VB went horribly wrong you still have a 52% chance of these corners hitting therefore if it does you will lose nothing (the problem is if it misses everything you losing quiet a lot, but risk nothing gain nothing). Also it doesnt have to be the zig zag way as i told you can make any 5 corner bets you want as long as it covers 20 different numbers(i like the zig zag cause it covers the centre row and even covers on the 1st and 3rd rows). This bet provides a higher chance of winning than the outside bets. Perhaps there are more advanced betting im not aware of and if so i would certainly love to learn about them.
Once again I would like to stress, THIS CORNER IS A GAMBLE NOT A SYSTEM.
Hi Riax,
What you are doing betting 20 numbers excluding your VB bet, is to remove your edge (if you had one playing VB)
What you think is giving you cover is working against you at 2,7% house edge. Any bet you apply that is not an AP technique is working against you at 2,7%
It might feel like you have insurance. It’s an illusion though. You are cutting into your own advantage.
Cheers
Toxic
[quote=“Toxic, post:4, topic:629”]Hi Riax,
What you are doing betting 20 numbers excluding your VB bet, is to remove your edge (if you had one playing VB)
What you think is giving you cover is working against you at 2,7% house edge. Any bet you apply that is not an AP technique is working against you at 2,7%
It might feel like you have insurance. It’s an illusion though. You are cutting into your own advantage.
Cheers
Toxic[/quote]
but im not good enough to use vb yet 
It seems that the speed of placing bets is the most important factor, as you only have a limited amount of time, a few seconds at most, to place a large number of bets. Also, another issue ive discoverd is that when playing on a table that is opposite the table ive been playing, the numbers are reversed, confusing me even more. i guess its just something that comes with time
With the training you succeed in getting things that to the beginning they seemed you impossible.Is like when a small child that doesn’t know how to walk sees an adult race. ;D
I place 40 chips in 5 sec or so, without seen numbers on table 
If I change to another table which may be reversed at start I get confused.
Well recently i was thinking of placing just street and six line bets, this way not only do you cover the numbers you predicted, but say if you place streets, you also cover an additional 2 numbers for a possible random outcome. The only issue i have with this is that the returns are lower, for example if you pet 10 steet lines for 10 numbers you predicted, you cover a total of your 10 predicted, PLUS an additional 20 numbers, which means you have a 81% chance of winning on a European wheel, but because the returns are lower, you have to win AT LEAST once every 10 spins, so if your VB does go wrong and the ball scatters widly even once, you risk being in the negative profits.
I am not sure - but i assume we could mention that some numbers are connected - not all do and the wheels layout and the tables layout is not the same.
So when you have a high probability area you have to pick split, corner, street, line, dozen if they are connected and cover some parts of your high probability area.
You also have the option high/low to reduce and still cover your high probability area.
Then it also helps how you learn the wheel and master the wheel layout in a sec how to place your bets.
Example a arc of 9 or high probability area could be 6 placed bets or 3 placed bets could cover a area of 5.
I have a DS from Pierre Basieux and Laurance material which deal with this topic with charts over how the numbers are connected.
I can make a post about it if you want.
Lucky_strike, this is precisely what i was doing when i was betting. If 2 predicted numbers appeared in the same street or 6 line (depending on whether i was betting streets or 6’s or corners etc…) i would move on to the next number. For example if i bet on 32,15,19,4,21,2, then the 2 and 4 would appear in the same six line, so i would move on until all 10 of my chips are utalized. However like i said, although this covers most of the board, with both predicted AND extra numbers for an insurance, the returns are much lower requiring a higher win rate.
Yes and i think you should develop that skill futher - i admit i do not master it - should also mention is a good cover as it becomes obvious if some one is starring to much into the wheel and place straight up numbers.
I post a link for you with PB ds that have very nice charts regarding this.
https://www.bredbandsbolaget.se/portlet-b2-serviceportal/storage/patrmell/Pierre%20Basieux Nine Roulette DS english/
If the link does not work then copy it into your browser and i PM you the password as it private document.
I hope you like it and it helps.
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The link works, thank you very much lucky_strike for your assitance, hopefully with a bit of practice I’ll eventually be as experienced as yourself. I will have a good read over these and see what i can make of it.
[quote=“lucky_strike, post:13, topic:629”]https://www.bredbandsbolaget.se/portlet-b2-serviceportal/storage/patrmell/Pierre%20Basieux Nine Roulette DS english/
If the link does not work then copy it into your browser and i PM you the password as it private document.
I hope you like it and it helps.
If you would have the op pertunity to take andvantage of bi-modal effect - then this is the very best you can find regarding this topic.[/quote]
doesnt work for me
its amasing what so called Advantage players will do for money
Well for beginners i would keep it low and focus on work or start own bussines - roulette should only be a hobby to enjoy.
Not many will succed to become and get the skills that Caleb or Kelly has 
just out of curiosity, do you guys place bets with one hand or two hands? ive been experimenting and i believe its easier to cover the predicted numbers on the board with 2 hands, however its alot more of a hassle because you have to lean over, take up alot of space and risk knocking other peoples chips over.
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