Acoustic sound patterns was some thing that i always believe was the impossible.
Many times in the past has many among does i think is the greatest AP mention it for me that there is no need to starring into the wheel and how some one can develop a feel to key the norm.
Just glance at the wheel when the moment occurs.
I admit that i always wanted to confirm with visual ballistics elements how the ball calibrate and key the norm and adjust fudge factor with rotor correlation to find the final offset.
I recon is the same qualities and skills to master it as to find the sensitivity to learn and feel comfort with out having the ability to see as being a blind man rather then having musical skills.
Listen to thousands of spins with closed eyes every night before you fall into sleep - wish would even let the most novice AP start to learn and develop this skill.
If you give it a try you will notice that develop a raw feel will come very quickly if you give it time and make sure you have some disturbing sound around you - because one important thing is to learn how to locate specific sounds among others wish surround you.
it is… rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr after if ball set down it starts to sounds rooowwww rooooww rooooow this is what i hear, and i play many month this technik, after i take the whatch from bob gordon to definet the rounds more earlier.
the problem by me was this sound start in the last 4-5 rounds and this is in my casinos tooooo late…(NMB)
with bob gordons whatch i come in the rounds 6-7… by huxley and ball 20mm
so it was more better…
The main problem with acoustic method, is noise in casino. And that method only signal for some ball speed. Nothing more. There are plenty methods how to determine some ball speed. Most of them are more easily than acoustic method. But of course if you are good musician then maybe acoustic method is good.
Kaisan does not believe in roulette computers and I agree with him now I’ve used severals for quite some times and even if Forester’s device is the best on the market. Like he told me, he can hear the sound of the ball, a roulette computer cannot.
I assume you are right about roulette computers - as i recon a long time ago during a chat session at vls we speek about it - the rest i want mention.
But sure there is ways to get visual state of mind what it all is about “sound signature” wish it is - i fix a new ball track on my wheel and even then i key the norm 7 rev to end - then i actualy took sampels from a grind joint and succed again.
There is a learning curve wish i ride on at them moment and only a long list of different categories of experience will let some develop the feel - is not a easy task as there is more distinct sounds then Swarfh Sworfh and Swirfh.
Here is a tool for does who want to explore it with some kind of measuring and do hes own home-work.
…hmmm…and what about the one who is handling the RC ? He might have ears or is he/she deaf…?
By the way, i know Kaisan also … what he means is : if he hears the ball scattering unexpected than he is on alert and most probably not placing any bet, since the ball rolling noise inidcates a different ball behaviour and so a different spin.
The noise is an indicator for him : something has changed in the spin … alert !
Kaisan also doesn’t believe in DS and further : not even in God…
Hi Guido, about Kaisan, yes you are correct. Noone really has a precise MO for Kaisans play, but what he indicates is a sort of classic way of VB. The sound of a “rattering” noise from the ball indicates either dirt or some sort of uneveness on either the ball or track, both is poison as he says. He has several times indicated that for him, the specific ball speed he is looking for is sort of embedded in him as well as is the rotor speed.
Qido, my silly friend, when Kaisan says a roulette computer cannot, he means a roulette computer takes only timings into account, not the sound of the ball rolling on the track. Also, yes a roulette computer user has ears, that is not the question, a roulette computer user only cares about clicking the button switch accurately, he cannot concentrate on ball sound and making accurate clicks, have you ever used a roulette computer in a real casino? I doubt it.
RC is weapon. Also any VB technick is weapon also. Which is best ? That is question without answer. Every can have his own weapon. But there can be other problem - you can have weapon , but not know how to use it, or used it not in right way. That can do things even worse.
So I believe that somebody can use such technick like sound. But from other side it is clear for me that sound method is weapon which to use is very hard. So I tryed to find other weapon which to use will be more easy…
[quote=“Kelly, post:12, topic:560”]Hi Guido, about Kaisan, yes you are correct. Noone really has a precise MO for Kaisans play, but what he indicates is a sort of classic way of VB. The sound of a “rattering” noise from the ball indicates either dirt or some sort of uneveness on either the ball or track, both is poison as he says. He has several times indicated that for him, the specific ball speed he is looking for is sort of embedded in him as well as is the rotor speed.
As i understand it, his son is active again.[/quote]
Yes, his son is an active player and he plays the same VB as his Dad.
Kaisan prefers new wheels without any signs of too much use.
There are only a very few people , according to him, who play the same MO as him.
Kovac is one of them and of course his son…
Kaisan believes also: not everbody has the Talents to play VB. He has tought one of his friends and partners quiet heavily, even that person knows all the techniques, but still he failes…
But you know that already for sure.
Kaisan prefers new wheels without any signs of too much use.
Yes but apparently there are possibilitys in Agadir, Marrokko. 20 year old Huxleys, NMB just before diamond strike. Reasonable maximum rates.
Kaisan had the diciplin not to take advantage of betting as late as he actually could, which probably also would have closed the opportunity.
If we can all agree not to slaughter them and not make bets in the final rounds, there might be a piece of action for everyone. But Guido, be a bit carefull with the hardware, im not sure about the rules down there but im pretty sure you won`t fancy being stuck in a Marrokan prison for 12 years sharing a cell with 2 outlaw camels.