UWE Roulette VB Method

Roulette Visual Prediction
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“The player was right but the ball was wrong.”

It may sound interesting but it’s not correct.

Meaning the players measures was perfect but because of a tiny fraction of extra speed, the ball managed to pass the uphill.

It means that players measurement wasn’t good enough.

We could say the player was right but the ball was wrong only if the ball speed was same speed with same ball deceleration at particular point ends differently. But if instead lets say 1100 ms the ball is 20 ms per rotation faster (1080ms) which causes ball to go for additional rotation is not really that ball went for additional rotation but that player made mistake and did not have prediction in particular targeted ball rotation.

For analyses lets say 1100ms ball makes perfect pattern for prediction right in middle of number, and everyting is fine. But if next spin the ball is 1080 the player will still identify it as a pattern because he will still see same (20ms difference doesn’t make any noticeable difference to rotor movement), however until the ball drops there is one extra ball rotation which will cause errors in prediction.

Have a look video where I was explaining tilt2 set up.
http://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,456.0.html

If you look more carefully you will notice that system doesn’t predict in same rotation every time but if it is different rotation the system simply know how many pockets to add or subtract to still have accurate prediction. It is because it can define ball parameters within few ms. of accuracy.

For VB player to notice such change when he observing it would be only like 1/10 of single pocket difference, and he will not know where exactly it is. Therefore even if he has skill to perfectly inline all needed within one pocket he will still have some amount of spins not hitting DD, and remaining distributed in between 2 rotations. Distribution always can change due to even small rotor speed changes. That is probably reason why uchimata claims offset changes if he uses similar aproach.

In your explanation you showed 3 rotations at 12 o’clock, and you will always have few because the difference which we observe is only the difference that rotor makes because of change in ball speed per rotation. That really is not much and it causes only about 1 pocket difference in rotor movement. Player will never be able to choose right one all the time, also his observation and in-lining of everything will never be perfect.

If system is designed for slower rotors as you explained then most of errors will be + or - 9 pockets, so why to play opposite sides to compensate to it?

You guys are wrong if believing that last rotation is one extra rotation of in usual 2.x seconds. No it is not it is one that is wrongly taken when player thought he has everything inline.

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I give up forester, you either will not cannot understand it. I seriously doubt you have played any kind of real VB.
The VB player does not predict at different times as a computer. An extra or one less ball rotation does not make a faulty prediction because the player has placed his bets accordingly. Even if you are 1 or 2 pockets wrong you can still estimate the correct ball revoloution. I could go on. Do yourself a favour and look at Laurances instruction video where he explains and waves his hands as first the 2X appears and then the deviation rotation just after. After 1/2 hour you can do it too, even though the numberring on the video are practically a blur except for the zeros. Uwes 4X is a lot easyer than that, but its still the same.

In the beginning you might occasionally be 1/4 of a rotor wrong but thats because you confuse the ball rotations with each other.

The underlying physics in the system is the same that earned Kaisan 4.000.000 and Manny K ¼hl and Kowacs some 2.000.000. Were they all lucky ? You don`t have to answer that, but you might wanna remove the engineer cap because i think it blocks your eyesight. Respectfully.

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Kelly, I know that VB with which most people trying to make money doesn’t predict in different rotations but is trying to define when the ball is in particular rotation.

If you have problem with something that I explained then point to it so we can discuss it, but I think it clearly explains why only 1 in thousand have success.

Even if you are 1 or 2 pockets wrong you can still estimate the correct ball revolution.

You can if you know by how much you are wrong, but if not 2 pockets represent error that will be as much as rotor moves in 2 ball rotations.

In explanation I shoved you that you can be wrong in defining ball rotation by one rotation even if the ball is only as 20 ms different in time per rotation.
Let me see how much that reflects on rotor that player will see.

If once ball is 1.100 seconds and next spin the ball time is 1.080s and if rotor is 9 pockets per sec.
1.1x9=9.9
1.08x9=9.72

9.9-9.72=0.18 pockets
Nobody can visually notice when everything is moving difference of 0.18 in pocket position and nobody can know where exactly is that braking point.

I do not believe that any of them made money playing on that way, but if you say so let it be. Maybe they played 20 years ago 90% tilted wheel with lowest scatter.

For some others who won more I know that story is different.

I did have Laurance book, I respect his work as a theory, but prediction where rotor is 1.5 sec to 2 sec per rotation is more fantasy. I think my ceiling fan works on that speed.

I thought you know how much ball scatter is widening by increasing rotor speed.

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Kelly is talking as if he knows everything on the subject. It is far from the case, and like everyone he had to be taught. Ask Snowman and he will tell you that he taught him 100% biasplay.

Kelly is always cocky in his answers, that’s why i can’t bear this man.
He said that his wins was impressive when he played at Nice in the south east of France years ago at gambler’s glen, but acknowledged not long time ago that he was down 500€ and then up 400€.
If 400€ is big money for him, this is ok, but it is not for me.

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All, I was doing is pointing to problems with this system.

Someone who is observing full ball rotation and observing rotor pockets instead of handles is better of. I do not believe rotor should be used as a reference.

All I got as an answer is “I seriously doubt you have played any kind of real VB”

And statement. “Player was right but the ball was wrong”.

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Snowman has taught me a lot, but ask him wether the article i wrote on rotor wobble and pocket bias was not wrote BEFORE i bought snows book, because it was. How could i write about rotor wobble 6 - 9 months before i bought his book ? No other books mention so detailed anything about biased wheels. Because there are already bias teams in europe, and i was with them for a while. Only, they kept the knowledge in mouth to mouth, all i could do was pick up from conversation. Snow put basicly the exact same info, very detailed, in writing.
The amounts in Nice is correct and i was happy for the winnings with 40 placed bets where the first 12 spins came down like this around my prediction

3.XXXX
2.XXX
1.
P.
1.
2.XXX
3.XXXX

Which means that i lost the first 12 spins, betting 3 numbers, although extremely close.
400 Euro paid for the flight and expenses and arriving at 10 and leaving at 00.30 the winnings was ok. Never said it was a big win Please post the link or cut the lies. But you are the real expert in here so obviously you would have made a lot more in no time with no tracking which was what i did. I had a nice tilt and 5 - 10 spins was enough for me to take on that wheel.

If you are not happy how i described Uwes method i really feel you should do us all a favour and explain it correct, but you cant. You were asked but refused. You dont even know what is written in the paper you posted. You just have a big mouth and a big ego.

The only knowledge i got about the method is the paper you posted from Dieter Winkler and that i received some 5 - 6 years ago, and what Carlo, Heinrich and a third person that i can`t remember the name of and who all attended the live courses in the casinos with Uwe, told me about it. There could be more to it, so tell us oh mighty Bago. What do you know and what is your source ?

As for your test of foresters device, good or bad, i wouldn`t quote it or use it as reference on any board simply because of the source.

Forester, if you have really tried to learn and play real VB, forget the outcome but learn to define the correct ball revoloution for starters, you would soon realise the handle patterns does not have to either align precisely with the diamonds nor, be exactly spot on pocket wise, to predict a certain revoloution. When you predict the number and reading spot, you need to be extremely precise, poketwise, but not on the revoloution definition. If you hack your way through 2 - 300 spins where the wheel speed differs between 3.0 - 4.0 secs. you will know what i mean. I haven`t used pattern since i started to use Laurances advanced method. Its SOO much less demanding on the eyes.

Semi tilted wheels needs a whole different skill level, not to mention level wheels that i admit the VB players cant play. The quote about the ball was wrong and player correct, is a quote from one of Basieuxs older books. Its only an extraction of a longer chapter. Maybe some other day.

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Yes you can define ball revolution correctly but somehow it is the ball that makes extra revolution.

Forester, if you have really tried to learn and play real VB, forget the outcome but learn to define the correct ball revolution for starters.

That was when I started with tilted wheel, it is system people using for more then 20 years.

Now I prefer system that I designed and that can predict in any ball revolution. So there is no mistakes. It is easier to apply.

Kelly I really would appreciate if someone explains to me how observing handles can be better then observing pocket which is inclined with handle but closer to the ball and diamond.

I really think someone with such approach trying to disadvantage player.

Have to go, celebrate

Valentine’s Day
with crogirl.
She told me he was roulette player as well .

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We discussed Uwes method and i agree that there are better, but you have to realise that it was designed by people who found it too diffycult to track Laurances 2X pattern because:

  1. The wheels in Europe is too slow spun, and the 2X pattern appears in the the 2 - 3 last ball revoloution and the prediction and reading takes another 2 rounds which means the ball has already dropped when the prediction is ready.

  2. There are no double zero wheels in europe (or only few) so to track a crossover pattern you need to replace double zero with either 5 or 10 or both. Which is extremely diffycult beecause they will blur out. Double zero is green which makes it pretty easy.

Using the handles instead makes it a lot easyer to focus on the rotor position, which is basicly all you do by using the handles instead of the pockets. Uwes 4X is designed for european rotor speeds, but has same basis as Laurances 2X, it just works for slower speeds. If you try to apply 4X on a fast rotor, where 2X works perfect, you will get a prediction some 8 - 9 revoloutions before the ball drops and the 2X some 3 - 5 rev before the ball drops.

The alternative to the handles, the pockets at North, South, East, West, will of coursee do the same job, its just a lot more demanding and totally unnessecary when you can use the handles.

The downside is that you can`t play any wheels without handles, which might take away a lot of opportunitys.

I agree that there are better ways to play, but its an improvement to the alternative, Laurance`s 2X, which is too diffycult to apply in Europe. Kaisan plays a different kind of VB without patterns, Manny K ¼hl, may he rest in peace, developed his own VB in Travem ¼nde in 1974 which again is different from Kaisans.

About Kaisans winnings, there are plenty of news paper articles about his karriere and him buying a 2.000.000 Euro water mill castle in Germany and a Lamborghini, in the eighties. He has not been so succesfull in the last 2 - 3 years, and i suspect that his way of play is not maximized for modern wheels. He has stated that he places several wheel speeds in the same category but over a large tracking period of 2 - 300 spins. With him being so known to the casinos, they would fairly easy be able to counter him when he started to place his bets, which i think could have been what happened.

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“Snowman has taught me a lot, but ask him wether the article i wrote on rotor wobble and pocket bias was not wrote BEFORE i bought snows book, because it was. How could i write about rotor wobble 6 - 9 months before i bought his book ? No other books mention so detailed anything about biased wheels. Because there are already bias teams in europe, and i was with them for a while. Only, they kept the knowledge in mouth to mouth, all i could do was pick up from conversation. Snow put basicly the exact same info, very detailed, in writing.”

It’s cone wobble, not rotor wobble. You do not know what you’re talking about to begin.

Which means that i lost the first 12 spins, betting 3 numbers, although extremely close.
400 Euro paid for the flight and expenses and arriving at 10 and leaving at 00.30 the winnings was ok. Never said it was a big win Please post the link or cut the lies. But you are the real expert in here so obviously you would have made a lot more in no time with no tracking which was what i did. I had a nice tilt and 5 - 10 spins was enough for me to take on that wheel.

Yes i could find again the link but i have better things to do than quoting a conman like you, especially when he played a tilted wheel with only 3 numbers bet.
Yes you will say that i precognize 3-5 numbers bet, but this is because i play excusively semi-tilted wheels. If i had been in your shoes, i would have wider the sector bet, 7 numbers sector is fine. So yes i would have won much more, proof is you say you were close several times, because narrowing the sector bet on tilted wheels is simply SILLY.

“If you are not happy how i described Uwes method i really feel you should do us all a favour and explain it correct, but you cant. You were asked but refused. You dont even know what is written in the paper you posted. You just have a big mouth and a big ego.”

[b]You should ask people if they are happy because i don’t give a shit to what you wrote. You have not understood i do not care about you.
I’ve posted the document, people must do their homework because this is how you are rewarded in life.
The method is explained in german, anybody can translate the document and understand it. I don’t have to do that for others. I’ve provided a method to help others, now people do what they want with it. They can send it to the dustin, i don’t care.

Anyone know you are here only to criticize and to bring your science whereas you’ve never provided any VB method.
So you are the big mouth, not me.[/b]

“As for your test of foresters device, good or bad, i wouldn`t quote it or use it as reference on any board simply because of the source.”

[b]Again, you are talking as if you are the reference in the Roulette World. Only Kaisan, his son and Basieux obviously know his own VB.
You acknowleged it several times. And now, just because of your ego, you are telling us that you know his VB: quote “Kaisan plays a different kind of VB…”

You are simply a lying bastard, so you can keep your opinion about my test of Forester’s device right into your ass, i could not be better satisfied.[/b]

PS: I made more than 2000€ at dublinbet, wheel level and bets placed before the wheel is spun.
You 400€, bets placed after the wheel is spun against a tilted wheel.

You can call me the expert yes.

Best Regards,

Bago

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Like i said, i got info on rotor (cone) wobble before i received Snows info and actually he calls the chapter in his book for “Wheel wobble, Defects and Bias”. Not cone wobble, but you are grasping for straws, everybody knows what we are talking about. I have used the name rotor my entire life. You can call it cone if you like.

OK, no link because there ain`t no link. There is a link that says i was happy with the amount i won in the short time where play was possible before the dealers quickly turned against me.

I only played with 3 unit bet sizes because the first 10 spins i tracked i had a pyramid hit rate with the center number in the middle and as i recall it some 8 in 10 strikes. Unfortunately it turned as soon as started placing the bets.

You havent described an explanation of the Uwe text because you cant find a free translator that can give a clear view of what is in the paper. You have simply posted something you thought would make you look knowing, but you didnt have a clou what was in it. It would have taken less effort to describe it than the post you just made. It was clear that NO ONE in here understood what was in the text. I certainly didnt see any explanations.

Obviously i dont know all details about Kaisans play, but he wrote that he fits more wheel speeds in the same category. All wheel speeds actually. I just dont think that can be a good sign. Did i write that i knew more ? Actually i do, but not his entire method.

So far you have put up more lies in this thread than i have, so just zip it.

2000…, sure you have. I made 50 K in 1 night with the Fritz Werntgen labby in 1986, the bets were also placed before ball release. Wow, you are really good. Im sure im a bit older than you are, so if you wanna compare gambling stories, just let it out.

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The little difference is i have given an undisputable proof of my winnings and you have not.
Only words, like scammers. Fucking bullshiter.

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I dont keep a scrap book for my winnings, in case people dont believe me.

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WTF,
guys you should throwing kisses today and not mud!! ;D ;D ;D

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Kelly;
any win, be it small or big, is still win, so congratulatinos!

And yes, I am sure you know a lot about all sort of VB, much, much more than what you are open to reveal here in forums or via e-mails.
I am only a bit angry on you that you are not open to come in Budapest :wink:

Guys, calm down a bit!!!

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There are a couple of practical issues about Budapest that i need to solve first, if not, it will only be a minor play/holiday if i ever get there. Its certainly not written off, there were just easyer opportunitys not so far away. Also, i have been off play for aout 3 - 4 months now.

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[glow=red,2,300]I am wondering when and what was the proof[/glow]

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It may be correct but 1 cm mistake in observing handle is 3 cm mistake to number position. Also instead of observing one ball rotation it is reduced to observing ¾ of ball rotation, therefore spotting change on rotor movement is harder and less accurate.

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I am wondering when and what was the proof

http://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,513.0.html

When you don’t know just ask.

It may be correct but 1 cm mistake in observing handle is 3 cm mistake to number position.

And of course your FF is accurate to 1 cm, whereas human errors in timings are inevitable, rotor clocking and ball clocking can’t be accurate to 1 cm, whatever algorythms. The computer receive only what you input, that’s the weakness, with VB you actually visualise and you can HEAR the ball sound, the computer CANNOT.

And seriously, don’t you think you would win more than 30K/year (what you told me on MsN) if your device was accurate as lasers like you ridiculously said many times?.

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That is not a prove, even my grandmother could go once in casino and win.

And of course your FF is accurate to 1 cm, whereas human errors in timings are inevitable, rotor clocking and ball clocking can't be accurate to 1 cm, whatever algorythms. The computer receive only what you input, that's the weakness, with VB you actually visualise and you can HEAR the ball sound, the computer CANNOT.

It is something completely different. I was only explaining that observing handles create more errors then if someone observes numbers during full ball rotation.

And seriously, don't you think you would win more than 30K/year (what you told me on MsN) if your device was accurate as lasers like you ridiculously said many times?

If I told you that it was for you not for the public. If you ever publish picture of FF like your friend Stefano did for FFZ do not ever come back here.

Defining ball speed to high accuracy is not the only problem with using computers.
If I was not explaining to you earlier you would still be obsessed with Stefano’s computer.
So do not teach father how to make kids.

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OOOO you have -7 negative votes, i gave you one + for some VB explanation

It looks as people do not want you here.