Roulette computer inside mobile phone

Advanced roulette play
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Yes that is correct.

You need to understand that on “tilted wheel” the ball is coming towards the dominant diamond with possibility of wider angle causing results to be built in main 3 groups, based on position where the diamond is hit.

Additional problem is one that long time ago I highlighted to you. Even if the ball makes same amount of revolutions to the end it will not be in same time therefore and rotor position may be different. (It needs to be compensated).

I may be rued but Ritz VB is not perfect to handle it neither your computer. Because it is based on basics of defining revolution and plain calculation ignoring fact that time of traveling for slightly different ball speeds will change. With one of my attempts with tilt prediction I did it perfectly; taking it in to account and also making where 2 most highly pick points would overlap. But I could get only 40-50% of spins predicted. It was frustrated to me (especially when happen that 3-5 in a row there is no prediction). So I took different approach to get more predictions, losing something in accuracy but not all. There are control pulses; spins marked with such pulses should never pass the dominant diamond. If does clocking point must be shifted. If that is done correctly much higher advantage is possible. Because the FF simply will know where the ball will hit. Sure there will be mistakes but it will do whatever is maximum to do. Even it is tilted wheel approach the FF in most cases will predict correctly and if the ball goes for next diamond. Tilt 2 doesn’t predict only in one rotation with same distance to the end it could be in one earlier or one later as well.
It uses error correction from IQE6 to avoid 30-40 ms errors which really could cause wrong prediction. But that is and main reason why system may not be properly set to get maximum advantage at firs spin. That is why is better to run few spins before set, so the system defines wheel parameters then it can defines time windows more accurately. Everything outside of time windows most likely will be bad hit such as very top diamond hit, or drop point on opposite side of defined most common drop point.

Leveled wheel prediction and scatter is different. Instead of 3 most likely scenarios with almost same probability for any, we may get one but wider. What can be done on tilted wheel with reasonable success on leveled wheel is imposable to do, even if timing is 100% accurate. That is why IQE6 doesn’t go for diamonds but for predicted rotor number. And the diamond is only an obstacle crossing the ball path on the way to reach expected number. The system doesn’t know where and which diamond will cross the ball path but it should be somewhere within deviation of 0-12 pockets +X from expected number. What I explained in previous post is that deviation. It isn’t something that the FF does and should fet credit for that. It it is something that happens on the wheel and the FF only uses it.

Oh, almost forgot. I just explained the best possible but you may be right.
If I add and loses where I did not do everything as is should be done, I may end up with something as that.

However if I separate only" tilt" wheel play I did have more then that. If I refer only to wheels where dominant drop point was very strong and constant (excluding cases where every second ball was spinner) definitely it could be 100%.

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“I may be rued but Ritz VB is not perfect to handle it neither your computer”

With all due respect, I don’t make any claims to perfection in anything I do, and again with the utmost respect, Tosa & friends pulled close to three million dollars in three nights using their “not perfect” system.

Forester, it’s not about an elegant and perfect solution or nano-second timing it’s about getting the money.

“the diamond is only an obstacle crossing the ball path on the way to reach expected number”

You say this as though the diamonds are a trivial issue; they are not.

A speeding car is only an obstacle crossing my path as I run across the road but if it hits me it’s going to have a significant effect on how long it takes me to get to the other side. :frowning:

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Forester, it’s not about an elegant and perfect solution or nano-second timing it’s about getting the money.

It is truth so tell us which size bet they were playing.
And tell us how many times they did it again in Ritz, if not, why not.
Also why after winnings they were searched? What would happened if tye found something as the FF?

I think there is big difference in stile we play. I never placed bet higher then $100 on single number and even that happened only few times for short time. But that has nothing to do with efectivnes of system we play.

I just received an email where guy thanks me for new chip.
He tried it and in one evening with placing few $2 chips he made $500 profit.
I do not know exact time he spent on the table but it might be much higher return then VB players getting on “tilted” wheel on perfect conditions or what Ritz team was getting. By the way he likes the last zap 

Isn’t your job to educate casino management what to do if someone rapidly winning.
You train them so well that after winning few thousands in 30 min. is close to imposiable to win more. What would happen after winning 30 or 300 thousands? I do not have problem saying that the FF has limits. It is single player system.

VB is different, even I do not have such high advantage I have more freedom.
With my VB hardly that anybody can even notice that I am watching the wheel.

“the diamond is only an obstacle crossing the ball path on the way to reach expected number”

I think I explained what why and how that obstacle effects the ball and what are the results and efects on systems prediction.

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“Isn’t your job to educate casino management what to do if someone rapidly winning.”

No, my job is to make sure that casinos are aware of the conditions which make advantage play possible and to train them what to look for. All advantage play techniques, at any game, not just roulette, require that someone be “in a position” to take advantage. Smart operators look to see who is “placed in position” to take advantage.

There are many “tells” when someone is “placed” to take advantage.

Yes, Tosa and friends were placing more money on one spin than most people earn in a year but that’s not the point, the point is they were able to make a few million off a 20% edge.

You might also ask yourself how come they were in a position to make such large bets.

I appreciate that your friend made $500 betting $2 chips and may have made more than 20% on turnover.

Do you believe FF is capable of better than 20% on turnover against a random wheel over a statistically significant time.

This is not a confrontational question, you imply that the returns to players previously mentioned, had more to do with their bankroll than the skill and/or devices used, so it is a fair question to ask if you believe you can do better than that.

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Yes and no are completely different answers but your description doesn’t make much difference to me.

Yes it will make 25% on leveled wheel in accuracy 3 assuming that other conditions are met. Reasonable scatter across the rotor, wheel within FF’s specification, reasonably constant rotor speed 4+ sec/rotation. You should find it out but first find the reason why tester gets only 31% of spins predicted.

This is not a confrontational question, you imply that the returns to players previously mentioned, had more to do with their bankroll than the skill and/or devices used, so it is a fair question to ask if you believe you can do better than that.

I did not question skill they play I question advantage they produce with the system they have used.
It would be crazy to say I have better skill then them, because they are ones who made much more $ and percentage of advantage is not only that counts. I only say that in most cases I do have higher advantage then them especially on “tilted” wheel. Maybe you know only for wins but I know and for losses. Sure they are not stupid to force big money on something that is not safe enough. There are additional factors contributing to their success which I can’t discuss with you but things may not always be as they may look.

Another difference is that when I win 5,10,15 grand I put my hands in pocket and whistle all month, and they would laugh with me why I did not hit table limit as they would.

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Survtech has a point when he mention chasing nano seconds instead of money. Christian Kaisan estimates his overall edge over 23 years to be between +2 - 5%. He still managed to get +4.000.000 Euro out of the casinos. He started out in 84, playing with the same bet sizes (with a 50% share from a patner) as i do today after some years of play.

I still feel a bit uncomfortable when i “up the stakes” to a bet size i havent played before. Kaisan, jumped right in it. And won. And havnt looked back since. It sometimes costs him an arm and a leg (read +30.000 euros loss) when he starts playing with a too short analyse. He takes it without a blink and moves on to the next opportunity. (well right now he is not playing but building a busines with his son)

Bottom line is: You need the money AND THE GUTS TO PLACE THEM, to make big money. Obviously an edge too, but trying desperately to beat the shit out of a level wheel with a large random scatter playing 5$ bets is really just a waste of time even though there might be a small edge if you analyse the wheel thorough enough.

As for my winnings in France, i cant remember anymore wether it was 500, 400 or 600. It payed for the flight tickets and then some and was a result of 35 placed bets in Nice and play stop around 1-2 AM.

3 days with my girlfriends family in Vence, 1 day in Monaco where we didnt play. (arrived around 10-11 oclock after meeting shaft in his apartment), 1 day in San Remo where we arrived 11- midnightish (also after meeting jean phillippe) and didn`t play either and then the Nice play. Aparently, me making 500 in 35 bets is a bad thing for Bago.

I track as many spins as Kaisan which is between at least 100 - 300 spins, depending, so actually, the Nice play was half gambling. And obviously a family introduction of my new family is not gonna be spoiled by me sitting at the casino for 7 out of 7 days. But of course, being down there we wanted to see the casinos and also mr jean phillippe.

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I think we are all better off with survtech drawing the conclusions that FF doesn’t not work afterall for obvious reasons.

Well, We certainly don’t want survtech reporting back to the casinos warning them that the FF does gives players an advantage. I think we all agree that we’d all rather have survtech tell the casinos that they have nothing to worry about. That is was all just one big misunderstanding. That FF was just an imaginary device that turned out to be a big hoax. 8)

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Has anyone got any statistics on the number of times (or percentage of time) the ball strikes a vertical diamond. I have been going through some of Bob’s video and the vertical diamonds are hit almost every spin… Has anyone got some stats from their experience?

Cheers
PJ

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Forester

A couple of years ago you were selling roulette systems based on the so-called Dealer Signature.

I’m sure you weren’t intentionally scamming, I think you truly believed that you had discovered a way to beat roulette.

Now you consider yourself to be a roulette computer expert able to beat random roulette wheels for 25% or better.

Like the last time, I don’t think you’re scamming but you have shown that you are capable of predicating your deeply held and sanctimoniously argued beliefs on a false premise, that is why I question your methodology.

For me, ego plays no part in this, if your device is capable of maintaining a 25% edge on a random wheel I will shout it from the rooftops, if it doesn’t I will quietly go about my business.

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Hi survtech,

I am relatively new to all this.

Have got close to 100% predictions on video spin of level wheel. (stefano’s wheel, today)

Admittedly a very predictable stable wheel, not likely to be found in casino, but still close to 100% predictions
oh yes… and accuracy was high too.

still more practising to do. accuracy setting 3

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Thanks for the info, the tester is using level 2.

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Kelly he has point about money but nano sec. is a bit provocative.

If he read instruction he will found out that the FF measures time in micro sec simply because it can, but the calculation is done in ms. Therefore I never insisted on measurements with precision of micro sec. If I measure time in ms the difference wouldn’t be significant. Maybe at some occasions it could pick up 2-3 ms error extra. I insist in consistency of measurements which means if I want to time 1 sec that I get every time clocked 1000ms.

Also I was insisting in reducing time of delay, from time when calculation is done until audio player is initiated. I consider it important and there is no person in the world that will convince me the other way.

Further more he is claiming to have only 31 predictions. I really do not know why since I do not have single person that complained about that. His test is done and I would like to see results. And I would like more details to find out why he did not have enough predictions since experienced clocker and thest on different wheels with 31 simply doesn’t go together.

However, after all he is questioning can IQE6 produce 20% advantage? Which is ok if it is based on his test and if the test is done under specified conditions?
But his argument, well you did not make millions so that is another prove that system doesn’t produce good enough advantage on as he calls it random based wheel (leveled wheel) is not valid. Because at same time he admitting FF’s advantage on tilted wheel but I still did not make millions. Why?
I give you an example. I played tilted wheel 10 times in a row, make some money every time and go home, it was really easy because the wheel was connected to terminals so I could play sectors. But when I came 11th time the wheel was leveled. Well it can happen. But and terminal was reprogrammed to call NMB earlier. That definitely wasn’t coincidence. So how could I win more? Same happens in real life play. Find right conditions start winning and you will be interupted. Or play at crappy wheel with spinners and nobody cares.

Kaisan may make so much in 23 years but how much did he make yesterday or last year.
I do not believe that you made even close to his wins in 23 years, but at same time I do not think that you have any less advantage then him.

Dr Spock.

I even had proposal to send him the FF out of tune  But no I send him the best I have.
I know wery well what the FF can do theoretically and practiacally and what is the difference.
But Barnett can practically test it much wider conditions.

Forester

A couple of years ago you were selling roulette systems based on the so-called Dealer Signature.

I’m sure you weren’t intentionally scamming, I think you truly believed that you had discovered a way to beat roulette.

Survtech
I am not sure what are you referring here.
My combination of timer and E2 system or VB that I was promoting as principles of E2 prediction.

E2 principle is far more then dealer signature. It even includes and automatic adjustment for reasonable rotor changes. And definitely it is valid system. You can find theory behind the system in members section. If you have problem understanding it I can go step by step and explain it. The difference to IQE6 is that what IQE6 can predict within 2-3 pockets E2 will predict within 12-15. Main reason for error is multiplication factor of 3 added on observed zero €“ball angle and slight shifting in accuracy based on time of entry point. With reasonable scatter it is just enough to have advantage and to be able to find out where it is during the play.
Principles of E2 are very simple. Use time that will create change on ball from start to the end of 1/3. Multiply observed change by 3 and it will indicate you one of reference points. Reference points are points where the ball is over number which is always same distanced from final number. Or simply it is same as knowing for every spin, now the ball is exactly 10 sec to the end and number X is under the ball. If happens that rotor is a bit faster lets say 1 pocket per sec and indicated number X would shift by about 12 pockets which is close enough to needed 10 pockets for remaining 10 sec.

Instead of sayinf Forester I think you are the gud guy but this and that€¦€¦.
I think we should talk to find out why only 31%.

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Quote Survtech:“the tester is using level 2”

Did he not try level 3?

And that was a very quick answer.

Forester I think I may remove my post about high level of predicitions, survtech is making me uneasy.
Spock has a point.

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Thanks for the info; the tester is using level 2.

The difference of results on level 2 and 3 on some wheels may be huge.
2 at some can be that advantage we simply can’t define where it is, while if we shift to 3 we may get 30%. That is why I insist in saving time of 1-1.5s on calling audio files. Because it is more then difference in between those to levels.

Considering you previous questions I may expect next one as, can The FF produce advantage on accuracy 2. Sure it can, but it is very dependant on the wheel. If I do not see advantage I simply would not play. Also the truth is that I do not do as Kelly, so prior to play test few hundreds spins. Sometimes I can be wrong start playing get coincidence of few good hits and get impression that I have advantage. It doesn’t last long because I observe many other factors when I play so I make correction or leave, but still it can be costly.

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nlp2me

Lol, do not worry, you are inexperienced so nobody will believe you.
Who knows, maybe you are Forester making false review to sell more.

I can’t have cake and eat it at same time.

Most of people that use the FF a lot are not participating in forums.
Some even told me to not be stupid and to screw it all, focus on what else I can do the best on FF and forget about the rest of the world. Who know maybe they are right. I’ll see what happens when I add audio.

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;D

lol. I do talk too much.

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Prediction rate has improved on level 2. Would you prefer the tests be based on level 3?

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Your first chip had to tight limits + or €“ 20 ms.
But I really can’t understand why problems with replacement.

I may get 30% on accuracy 1 but that is to early prediction and to fast ball.
On accuracy 2 toe clocking I do have better than 80%.
Also results from real play are always better then results from video tests.

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OK

I just got an email that things have improved greatly on level 2.

I want to give these tests the best chance of success, would you consider level 3 to produce best results? At this stage I’m not really concerned at the amount of betting time.

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Survtech stated “For me, ego plays no part in this, if your device is capable of maintaining a 25% edge on a random wheel I will shout it from the rooftops, if it doesn’t I will quietly go about my business.”

That’s what scares the hell out of everybody here that understands whets happening. We don’t need anyone shouting anything off the roof tops to all the casinos world wide. We have a low profile here and would like to keep it that way.

It all makes sense now… I would like to have thought that survtech was conducting this experiment for us. But we all ready know what FF can and cannot do - - - so survtech’s final conclusion would not have changed our opinion of FF one way or the other. This experiment is for survtech’s clients- - - the casinos.

and Forester, this is not the kind of attention we need right now with an experiment being conducted by a casino consultant. Let’s just focus on making money and getting rich- - - and 10 years from now you’ll go down in the history books as that famous the developer that created FF.

BUT NOT NOW- - - NOW’S NOT THE TIME FOR YOU TO WANT TO BE FAMOUS. SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU TELL OUTSIDERS - - -LET’S JUST GET RICH FIRST, AND THAN YOU WILL BECOME VERY FAMOUS IN ABOUT 5 OR 10 YEARS… :wink: