Has anyone bought Jafco's system?

if i cant win 1 of 40 straight up bets then its not a lucky day either… . cheaper to stay in bed :slight_smile:

@ammaad
Do you have charts for ball jumps?

if you mean average scatter per wheel type, my answer is no. i simply recalibrate my jafco card. it has varied from 3 pockets less scatter to 9 pockets more scatter. i recalibrate when i consistently miss and i try to analyse a mean and mode of difference in both directions. at the same time i like to understand if i should be playing at all. eg a 2s rotor is inaccurate for me. i would rather walk and not bet. i know this method may not be to the liking of puritanical mathmaticians but it been effective for me so far. except for certain huxley wheels with yellow ivorine balls and very deep pockets… i dont play these tables or waste my time analysing. my main concerns are trying to uphold basic disciplines and try to keep away from newbie mistakes that can harm margin. i look to more experienced players here for those pearls of wisdom.

my biggest issue is being able to get my eye in to judge a 5r ball or a 4r. it can take me a lot of time. i hope that as i become more experienced that my brain and eye can judge the diiference between a 5r max and 4.75r max ball. i usually go conservative and judge a rev too late. its something that would improve my own margin a lot. i have learned to simply not bet when unsure of ball speed. a bet not made is money saved.

[quote=“ammaad, post:296, topic:303”]if you mean average scatter per wheel type, my answer is no. i simply recalibrate my jafco card. it has varied from 3 pockets less scatter to 9 pockets more scatter. i recalibrate when i consistently miss and i try to analyse a mean and mode of difference in both directions. at the same time i like to understand if i should be playing at all. eg a 2s rotor is inaccurate for me. i would rather walk and not bet. i know this method may not be to the liking of puritanical mathmaticians but it been effective for me so far. except for certain huxley wheels with yellow ivorine balls and very deep pockets… i dont play these tables or waste my time analysing. my main concerns are trying to uphold basic disciplines and try to keep away from newbie mistakes that can harm margin. i look to more experienced players here for those pearls of wisdom.[/quote]@Ammaad, are you far away from London? Im curios about that wheel with deep pokets.
To identify revolution better is not that straight forward procces, its explained in jafco update to the system a bit and in his dealler signature update. You need a timer for that, wich you can sett for specific time interval. You may use timer in Foresters ffv/ ffz. However you will be " undecided" if you start timer one revolution earlier or later. If Forester make update to the timer following my explanation on the doc l sent him, this issue will be fixed. If not, you may wait a bit till my timer is ready ( lm in the process to produce one wich can be used to address this issue as well).
Speaking openly, your issues with revolution identification more probably has its origin in the way dealler throw the ball.
Dealler may give aditional spin to the ball ( forward/ beckward). It naturally mess with timings of ball , making our task more complicated. Its like have 3 different wheel/ ball combinations with ( normal/ back/ forward) spin. You may see with the time that filtering at least one of these out ( backspin), may encrease your winning margin. Backspin produces a lot of noice in its early revolutions of ball. It will rotate qweak, but when back rotating moument start to dominate, it will deccelerate qweak as well. Even if you catch particular ball speed during back spin, relative dictance till strike may vary up to 20 pokets, producing additional error in your calculations.
Filtering back spin out ( if you choose to do so, becouse in some cases it may be beneficial), will live you with 2 different spin development patterns to play- normall spin and forward spin. To filter between these you need to observe distances ball make in periods of time ( egeinst some benchmark). This is where timer is used. You not only have to try to catch your target revolution, but sertify yourself that ball deccelerate as expected. For that you look ball traveling distance in relation to your observation point ( dd ). I myself use up to 5 target time intervals, looking position of ball in relation of my observation diamond when time ends. It permits to detect ball as going according to the " sample" or faster / more slowly. You may use any time interval that suits you best, but it has to be long enough to manifest differences in the spin development pattern.

my biggest issue is being able to get my eye in to judge a 5r ball or a 4r. it can take me a lot of time. i hope that as i become more experienced that my brain and eye can judge the diiference between a 5r max and 4.75r max ball. i usually go conservative and judge a rev too late. its something that would improve my own margin a lot. i have learned to simply not bet when unsure of ball speed. a bet not made is money saved.
Main point of traditional VB is a good process of identifying the particular moment in the spin. On older wheels it can be done reasonably good. One of techniques is to watch for the “knee point” . It Is a moment where you can notice the ball suddenly takes longer time for a rotation. When testing I predicted thousands of spins where the RC predicts in particular ball rotation so I get feeling to judge when is the moment but, without RC that feeling can be easy lost.

Just watching new wheel in casino and defining ball rotation is hard. If the ball doesn’t jump much even with significant amount of mistakes you can still achieve advantage, but often the ball jumps distribution is wide and taking huge amount form advantage achieved by defining balls drop point. If the ball deceleration is smooth without “knee point” you need a good timer, or perhaps try VB2.

VB2 compensates for missed ball rotation, so it doesn’t matter if you predict in 6,7 or 8th ball rotation.
You should read
Evolution of roulettes advantage play


Understanding roulette wheel

If you have a wheel with deep pockets, you should learn to exploit it.
You say you have no idea about jumps charts, but that is a first thing you need to know.

In usual wheels with deep pockets have smaller ball jumps distribution? That is the biggest advantage you actually have. If on some other wheel it may be easier for you to predict, most likely wider ball jumps would reduce achieved advantage, lowering it under what you could have with the deep pockets wheel.

And yes, do you mind sending me a PM where did you find such easy wheels?

i can tell you what i do for easy wheels… one can approximate and use a number of factors.
perform a statistic on pin dominance whilst a dealer is on autopilot. if done in each direction you can approximate which pins seems dominant vs which dealer is spinning. there are some dealers that i dont bother using vb. they are inconsistent. i am trying to work out the shifts of a few dealers that i can read. eg one particular dealer spins the rotor with 1.5 pocket per second and calls nmb late. this is a clear vb gift. pin is statistically pin 3… the thing is the situation is ripe for a predator. and i have taken advantage using jafco 3 rev cards that have the ball aim at 2 anti clockwise and 10 clockwise rotor. it is about finding particular advantages… and these are the things that arouse my predatory instincts.
there are dealers that call late nmb. even allow a bet on last 1.5 ball rev. i am trying to make cards for such opportunity. wheel bounce stats can be estimated… do you have stats for cammegh classic?


201 spin /20mm ball, rotor speed ~4 sec/rotation

http://rouletteplace.com/index.php?topic=934.0

thanks. exactly the roulette wheel that i want to make some cards for. you the man. :slight_smile:

Interesting thing… I went to speak with John Jafco recently. What can l say. First he is a genuine. There were comments about his wheel being easy and ball not jumping. …
I personally was swearing and sweating to predict this wheel. Ball was jumping all over the place!!! So l gess it’s conditions related.
For my surprise, l understood one nice thing and found one more useful skill to develop just by comparing John predictions to my own. …
With his " gess the ball " revolution identification, he is very precise and adjust very qweak!!! What took me some spins to realise ( conditions changed twice during our play simulation ), he got right after first miss. That was impressive in did.
I observed his ds skill as well. … not that impressed, l would say. Probably lm ignorant, but 40-50 percent is a minimum for a good dealer. He does it by any means. He was something like 60% on 10 poket sector. And l have to admit that conditions were difficult, but l was expecting more!!! Wanted to see him hitting the number every individual spin… didn’t happen. :(.

As I live quite close to John (Jafco) I decided to do a short course with him after I’d bought his clocking system. He demonstrates on a fairly biased wheel and is quite amazing. He got most of his predictions spot on. Almost unbelievable in fact. He comes across as a nice, genuine guy but I find it surprising he needs to flog his method rather than just using it himself.
And I think the reason is that the sort of bias you need in a wheel and the type of older Huxley wheel you need to find is quite difficult.
But as far as teaching you to clock a biased wheel, the guy is great and it would be money well spent.

[quote=“arnold”]
It is well known(to those in the know) that Jafco is Mark Howe, maybe you are too?
He is using that base and payment receiving method to hide his id.
[/quote]

I know both and that’s complete and utter nonsense

[quote=“drwho”]
As I live quite close to John (Jafco) I decided to do a short course with him after I’d bought his clocking system. He demonstrates on a fairly biased wheel and is quite amazing. He got most of his predictions spot on. Almost unbelievable in fact. He comes across as a nice, genuine guy but I find it surprising he needs to flog his method rather than just using it himself.
And I think the reason is that the sort of bias you need in a wheel and the type of older Huxley wheel you need to find is quite difficult.
But as far as teaching you to clock a biased wheel, the guy is great and it would be money well spent.
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Hi drwho,
of course the biased wheels of old are not so common anymore, so the margin for error is vastly reduced if predicting rest zone. With that said. wheels are still dependent to physical laws. If you can find a strong drop zone that is great, if not try using distance remaining instead of time remaining in your analysis. A priori based on wheel design may help here, also look for some wheels that have more consistent ball travel patterns. Some wheels should just be avoided at all costs imo.

[quote=“drwho”]
As I live quite close to John (Jafco) I decided to do a short course with him after I’d bought his clocking system. He demonstrates on a fairly biased wheel and is quite amazing. He got most of his predictions spot on. Almost unbelievable in fact. He comes across as a nice, genuine guy but I find it surprising he needs to flog his method rather than just using it himself.
And I think the reason is that the sort of bias you need in a wheel and the type of older Huxley wheel you need to find is quite difficult.
But as far as teaching you to clock a biased wheel, the guy is great and it would be money well spent.
[/quote] Check napoleon casino in london, You will like it. Deallers spin sometimes qweak and balls are swiched… but its not a big problem on these wheels.

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Ctrl + P does not work , you can print just first 10 page of threat . I am wonder you set up the forum that has not any print button . I never see that .

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Hi im new in this forum ! How many numbers you point about predict sector ?

I bought jafco’s system and also had a masterclass with him at his home. His system works and he is a gentleman. He also has taught other sellers who teach VB.