Is Bago another scammer?

I can understand Mark and Stefano trying to discredit me but how to understand character of Bago. I think he simply can’t forgive me spiting out fact that he was trying to sell his visual system to some people. At same time he claimed that he has all roulette computers including the FF. People often connect to my MSN and tell what goes around. I was surprised when one person asked me what I think about Bago’s VB.

At same time while he was experimenting with Stefano’s computer he was on side selling his VB. It took him 6 months to understand that Stefano’s computer doesn’t have any prediction so probably with selling VB and some mathematical systems on eBay he tried to compensate for losses created by computer.

For few weeks he uses to come here and write some rubbish in shout box.
First I wasn’t sure was it really him or someone pretending to be him.
When I disabled guest writing he register and made few normal posts then one very abusive post without any facts. So I ban him from forum.

A year ago when he was associated with Stefano promoting his product he called me liar accusing me that I know nothing about Stefano’s computer. He even made a bet of $500 from which he run away and never paid. Later on when I published everything about Stefano’s computer they call me again lier, because I never bought Stefano’s computer, so it must be that someone gave me information or computer for testing.

I mean does it really matter how review is done as long as it is accurate.
Anyway 6 months later Bago discovered exactly same about Stefano’s computer.
So I really do not understand what his point of calling me liar is.

Forester was a scammer.

-He tried to sell his chip zapper for 5000$ through a another player:

I sell the FF public ally for known price. If I want to sell it for any price there is nothing to stop me. It is truth that some people reselling the FF for higher price. But they provide and personal support and demo. This particular guy even told them it is Forester’s device. So I really do not understand what is his problem.

-Barnett wrote other computers do not need the vision of a nighthawk to give a prediction as accurate as Forester zapper.

So what, with that he definitely did not mean Mark or Stefano’s computer, since even Bago know that their computers are rubbish. Barnett wrote much more but Bago, Mark and Stefano excluding all and writing only this.

-Forester claims his zapper is precise as lasers, how possible when you are using your reflex by clicking on a switch.

So much frustrated after Stefano’s computer he simply can’ believe that clocking error correction is possible.

-Forester claims his zapper is user friendly and accurate in a Casino environment but 50% of the time you cannot predict because the ball is hidden by the main part of the wheel.

Do clocking at right spot and you will see the ball 80%, for remaining if you have any skill you simply will know where the ball is even if you do not see it.

-Forester's zapper does not use a fix point which gives precision when reading prediction and therefore accuracy. -Forester's zapper does not detect a specific revolution, only a ball revolution which matches with your ball samples, which is inaccurate.

Who is he and on which computer he can refer to be able to tell me how the FF should work. All computers that he tried are failure, and he accuses me of not making same computer. The FF has accuracy because it is made on different way.

-Forester makes illegal satellite cards, not what would do an honest and genuine person.

Really, could it mean that Forester is very skilled person?

How about Bago is using computer to scam casino, not what would do an honest and genuine person. The difference is that Forester succeeds in whatever he does and Bago fails because he is stupid enough that he buys and promotes scammers computer. Stefano even convinced him how his computer can predict red or black. And now he wants to teach me how computer should work.

-Forester claims the zap of his device is the best way, yet his purchasers ask him if they could receive the predicted number via an earpiece.
Sure that the zap is the best way for what I do, but an earpiece has some advantages as well, it really depends what you want. I am only trying to find how many people would really prefer an earpiece.
-Forester is looking for improvements through Barnett, whereas it is supposed to be already perfect.

Nothing is perfect. There is always place to improve. And Barnett definitely is not the person to improve the FF.

-Forester needs to make a website, promote his device on Youtube to sale his device for 500$ whereas it is supposed to make thousands every nights at the table.

I never promoted FF on youtube, even if I did is nothing wrong with that.
It is video part of Stefano’s DVD that comes with his computer. I only made comment to silly comments of MH with link to myrulet.
Only someone stupid can believe and expect that he can make few thousands every night from casino.
If I profit so much every month I am happy. I think people are really brainwashed by Stefano and Mark how it is easy to win.

The list is long, but i will stop here, i don't like to spend time for crooks.

So stop spending time because you only showing lack of understanding.
Instead try writing about Mark or Stefano since you have had their computers.

Bago is clueless - - - He deserves everything that happened to him. ;D

As far as Howe and Stefano goes, I don’t trust either one of those bums. :wink:

Hi Guys,

Yes, I’ve seen this “Bago” character, he parades about the Forums like some tired punchy old fighter, taking a swip at any who dares to question him, it seems quite clear that he feels he got stiffed by Stefano Hourmouzis and makes it his business to attack everybody, he should use that energy to attack the real scammers instead of those trying to move our game on, but this guy doesn’t want to listen to no one, if your in his line of sight he’ll take a swing, you can’t reason with him, I think it best he returns to the psychiatric ward, it’s clear the brain injury that is robbing him of his faculties means this is where he really belongs, banged up with the rest of the nutters!

cowboygambler

Sometimes people are blind.
He simply can’t see and understand that I actually helped him in matter with Stefno’s computer. 3 months after dispute he admits that he was dishonest but he justifies it with explanation that he was under Stefano’s NDA contract so he couldn’t speak the truth.
I am glad that I made him crack so at least on the end he told all truth about his experience with Stefano.

I didn’t start this thread t to have childish accusations or because I have to much spare time so I do not have anything smarter to do.

It is because Mark and Bago talking all the time rubbish at the other forums.
I do not want to be part of that, and I do not care much what they talk as long as “green” uninformed reader gets link to this page so he can make his own judgment.

This may be more interesting. :smiley:

I am doing a lot of research in possibilities of repackaging the FF, considering all options.
After conversation with few experts it looks that system designed on mobile phone platform can not have speed and accuracy of the FF as it is designed on his own processor and programmed with machine code.

Hi, Forester that is interesting.

I know there is a thread regarding the future of FF.

Considering the mobile phone would slow everything down, What about a transmitter connected to FF,

Which also gives zap to second team member at same time as the first?

one team member clocking and getting zap, and second member just getting prediction zap?

I’m sure you’ve maybe thought of this already but what do you think?

That would be very easy to make. If someone wants it he can make it in 5 min.
Get Bluetooth audio transmitter $30; connect to particular pin on the chip.
Get Bluetooth with hearing aid $300 and receive beep instead of zap.

I preface to go a bit more because with zap/beep second player still needs to see the wheel. I do not believe I can gain with that much in accuracy the only benefit would be team play and for some people it may be easier. For team play the best is if someone who is placing chips doesn’t have anything with himself. No mobile, no device, only FM radio which has Bluetooth integrated as well.

The reason why it wouldn’t produce any gain in accuracy particularly for me is that the FF has perfect calculation. Who tried it and applied my test would see that system almost perfectly calculates any amount of time to wait for the ball to meet particular number at the rotor which is also spinning. If there is not such precision then simply it would be imposable to repeat same spin, do clocking at different spot and get same number predicted. So it is almost same accurate as if it was audio.
But with audio the system needs to do some additional calculations for rotor movement which may give us some errors. So the final result would be probably the same accuracy.

The guy who talked with me about mobile phones is very high skilled and professional person.
Main problem is that mobile phone running many applications in background (example checking for SMS, scanning signal, communicating with tower, and that effects timing.
With my microprocessor I measure time in 0.000001s with mobile in usual it is 0.001, it may be just enough but the measured time may not be constant.
With FF as it is I use independent timers for different measurements and interrupt function so it really doesn’t matter if processor does something else while I still timing the ball. Mobile phones are programmed in third, 4th or fifth generation of programming languages. Using many program interpreters to come to level which processor can understand takes lot of time, also the program becomes more then 100 times larger to do same thing.

I am still talking with some guys who may be able to make miniature FF with audio, in smaller quantities.

OK Moderator,

To begin with your idea of using just Bluetooth is quite wrong, you need at least an encrypted wireless network from phone to phone to offset modern sophistcated casino surveillance, without this you are a sitting duck, it will take just a few minutes for the casino to triangulate the emission source and then your history!

I admire what you have done with your FF but to be frank it’s a crude and very basic set up now matter how good your algorithms are.

You do not even use shielded cabling with your devices again exposing players to the full force of the kind of sophisticated surveillance that easily exposes a player.

The reality is you need at least $100k investment in the IQE6 to genuinely make it a viable roulette computer for the modern age, the fact is you will never obtain that investment unless you’ve got some rich uncle with a few million who’s bored with his money and wants to throw you some cash out of sheer generosity.

As I see it, the roulette computer will be banned worldwide by the time you make the IQE6 a geuniue force in roulette prediction or the casinos will just change the format of the game, banning all bets AFTER the spin to protect there profits.

To be frank with you, you are a world away from developing a viable roulette computer for the modern age without investment capital, your a clever and ingenious amateur and that is the extent of your present ambitions.

It doesn’t matter how good your algorithms are or there format for calculation, any roulette computer has tobe practical “in the field” if it’s not it fails, no if’s no but’s, IT FAILS!!!

The IQE6 is totally impractical for casino use, it requires a player to have 100% concentration on the wheel to locate the area where the most accurate prediction will have the most advantage, you may as well hold a sign up that says “roulette computer player here” please throw me out. Have you never heard of camouflage bets to disguise your play, your accuracy rate doesn’t allow for this because it’s acuracy rate is too inconsistent because of it’s impracticability in a genuine casino environment.
The facts are you need this camouflage play with even the most sophisticated equipment.

With respect you are way off the mark with your device, put in the investment NOW! and you may have something special in a year or so otherwise forget it and go back to VB as a your only way to your small edge over the house advantage for roulette prediction.

cowboygambler

To begin with your idea of using just Bluetooth is quite wrong, you need at least an encrypted wireless network from phone to phone to offset modern sophistcated casino surveillance, without this you are a sitting duck, it will take just a few minutes for the casino to triangulate the emission source and then your history!

Of course that transition would be and coded and encrypted.
It is still problem because detection of signal source may be detected. However, the Bluetooth may use few channels to do transition by jumping from one to another one. But even that can be scanned. To be honest I would mostly prefer old AM modulation simply because there is no constant carrier. All transition can be done in few ms. That would make it most harder for detection.

I admire what you have done with your FF but to be frank it's a crude and very basic set up now matter how good your algorithms are. You do not even use shielded cabling with your devices again exposing players to the full force of the kind of sophisticated surveillance that easily exposes a player.

You can shield it as much as you want and it will still detectable if right equipment is used.
The problem for casino is that they would detect all the other noise generated from equipment in casino which is much stronger than what the FF emits in to the air.

I think people are missleaded on this subject. Hardly that someone will ever be detected by scanning equipment. It is more likely to be noticed and suspicious by the way he plays and how much attention he takes.
That is why main part is to not get suspicious. Once you are, you re gone no matter which equipment you use.

The reality is you need at least $100k investment in the IQE6 to genuinely make it a viable roulette computer for the modern age, the fact is you will never obtain that investment unless you've got some rich uncle with a few million who's bored with his money and wants to throw you some cash out of sheer generosity.

I think it is not right to define the cost of development without defining what needs to be made how it needs to be done and what is possible to be done. Also what would be definition of viable roulette computer for the modern age.

As I see it, the roulette computer will be banned worldwide by the time you make the IQE6 a geuniue force in roulette prediction or the casinos will just change the format of the game, banning all bets AFTER the spin to protect there profits. To be frank with you, you are a world away from developing a viable roulette computer for the modern age without investment capital, your a clever and ingenious amateur and that is the extent of your present ambitions.

Computers are already banned. Try to place one on the table at any casino and constantly win. If they are not banned then why to worry about possibility that casino may detect it.

Casinos are not changing the game they making conditions harder. I managed reasonably to follow it. E2 was perfectly right for me until new balls come with much wider scatter. I couldn’t change balls so I worked on improving systems accuracy. I simply do not believe that in accuracy much more then IQE6 can be done.

It doesn't matter how good your algorithms are or there format for calculation, any roulette computer has tobe practical "in the field" if it's not it fails, no if's no but's, IT FAILS!!!

The IQE6 is totally impractical for casino use, it requires a player to have 100% concentration on the wheel to locate the area where the most accurate prediction will have the most advantage, you may as well hold a sign up that says “roulette computer player here” please throw me out. Have you never heard of camouflage bets to disguise your play, your accuracy rate doesn’t allow for this because it’s acuracy rate is too inconsistent because of it’s impracticability in a genuine casino environment.
The facts are you need this camouflage play with even the most sophisticated equipment.

Yes I always place earlier bets, sometimes to many.
You simply can’t have single player computer without person looking the wheel.
You can’t have any advantage player without looking the wheel.
Team play may be better, but still someone must look the wheel.
Team play requires and more money to be won. If something goes fishy and if bigger money is involved there is nothing that will slip to people who from bird view are observing what is going on at the table. Simple and safe way of winning simply doesn’t exist.

There is a lot more needed to understand to be able to take some money from casinos. First you need right conditions, you prefer that those conditions do not change as long as possible. Some wheels are completely unpredictable for various reasons. Next you need something that can provide you advantage. And finally you need to be unnoticed. You must have it all or simply you will not succeed.

With respect you are way off the mark with your device, put in the investment NOW! and you may have something special in a year or so otherwise forget it and go back to VB as a your only way to your small edge over the house advantage for roulette prediction.

Invest Now, in what. Perhaps miracle.
Simply there is no magic way to win so easy, to be 100% covert etc.
As you can see I am looking for possible options to make it better even I do not need it.
HA, I do not need I can perfectly know which number is under the ball even if I do not see that part of ball track, team play hardly that I would ever use. To shield the FF what for?

VB I like, especially mine own, but it is applicable only on the wheel with dominant drop zone.
On same conditions where I played VB with FF tilt system I was winning 10 times faster. That isn’t good as well I simply had to stop it. VB isn’t the fastest and the best way to win but it is safer.

I appreciate your criticism. Same as we can discuss good sides of FF we can discuss and disadvantages. I do not have problem with that. It is a bit problem because of fags; they take words out of context and spread it all over the net, of course they do it for wrong reasons.

I have only 3 people express wish of results in audio format and at same time prepared to invest in to it.
First one is the guy who initiated, he actually at start offered for pay for that, because he wants to hit harder and he believes it will also make him applying the FF easier.
The other 2 guys are really not insisting on it but are prepared for support. Giving me full trust that it will bring the FF in the best possible shape, because that is the most what counts and definitely what they need.

If you have particular wish list please tell me.
Who knows maybe it may be achievable.

Cowboygambler,

You need to spend a lot more time in the casino enviornment.

every game has a supervisor or pitt boss as you know and these are the most likely to notice your behaviour.

“shielding” a cable prevents it receiving outside interference from certain external induced voltages etc.

My casinos are definitely NOT scanning for small electrical signals.

They work to keep the wheel random :-[ and keep card counters and advantage players out. Body language is much easier to detect mate.
FF is the most accurate system without a doubt.
FF uses micro-second time margins,(1 millionth of a second) mobile phone or similar can only use milliseconds(1 thousanth of a second)(1 thousand times less accurate) …and still don’t work by the way.
I spend a lot of time by roulette wheel, sometimes talking etc, sometimes I act rude(mildly drunk) so i can concentrate on wheel without being noticed ;D

As Advice on advantage play in much literature available states: YOU NEED TO WORK ON YOUR ACT AS WELL.

Make it personal to you. after-all your standing there with accurate timing device, clocking the wheel and betting accordingly, everyone else(?) is betting on RANDOM EVENTS, or bullshit systems( I play “LUCKY” number too of course ;D)

Regarding camouflage bets…em just throw down a few $1 chips here and there every spin…you still get 35:1…same as everbody else ;D
This is why I think you need more time in casino…you would know that camouflaging is the least of your worries, and you would also know how to do it easily.

Anyway have been out for a few drinkies with the missus so hope the post makes sense!!!

p.s. A viable computer for the “modern age” would mean the end of roulette, no? Try to avoid cliches when you post, it’s easy to do but just speak from the heart.

A certain mark and stefano developed roulette computers for the “modern age” by putting them in mobile phones…understand where i’m going with this???

THis is why certain people are more susceptable to bullshit scams than others. read this post more than once.

Good luck cowboygambler :wink:

take care.

I never read about any members here getting busted in the casino. I checked all the archives and haven’t read about any members getting busted here one single time. If that was the case, someone would have mentioned it by now.

I agree with Forester. A player’s actions is what tips off a pit boss by telegraphing specific signals that pit bosses are trained to look for. I believe that for the most part no one is really paying you much mind until you get the attention of a pit boss. You get the attention of a pit boss by telegraphing one of these red flag signals. Once that happens, a pit boss will have the cameras zoomed in on you.

There is a flip side to that coin. Just like a player can telegraph signals to pit bosses- - - Pit bosses also telegraph signals to players. I know the pit boss look and I know the pit boss stare from all the years I spent at the craps table over the last 25 years. So I have learned how to keep a low profile and blend in nicely with the crowd. The only way I get exposed if if I start winning to much, but I won’t allow that to happen because I know when to quit before a pit boss realizes that I am winning a little to much.

That’s how just about every roulette player with a consealed computer got caught. THEY GOT GREEDY AND WON TO MUCH. LITTLE DID THEY KNOW THEY WERE BEING WATCHED AS SOON AS A PIT BOSS REALIZED THEY WERE WINNING A LITTLE TO MUCH. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT’S HOW THEY ALL GOT BUSTED, FOR THE ONE’S THAT DID GET CAUGHT.

Forester, with regards to the above post by Cowboy, I agree 100% with you on several points. First, as far as electronic detection goes, it’s NOT going to happen in any casino I have even been in. With all the non-shielded EMF from Slots, etc. there is no way anyone, unless they had a hand held device 6 inches from the FF, can detect the “spark” signature or even figure out what it may be. As far as cell phone Blue Tooth goes, the number of patrons that walk around with these devices on in the casinos is numerous and most partrons are using cell phones, which are NOT discouraged even at the roulette table. The only place they don’t let you use them is in the Sportsbook. People even sit at the Slots with computers, believe it or not. No one is checking, however, they do seem to change up the ball and dealer quite often and change spin techniques as a way to thwart pros. Pain in the rear I say:) I say, keep up the research as once you have a FF with about the same accuracy that “calls” the number and allows for “offset” variance, I would say it would be close to perfection as possible, esp for team play. I would be careful who purchases this technology, however, as letting the likes of Hormouz, etc. getting a ahold of it would be disasterous.

I have played in hundred’s of Casino’s all around the world for almost 40 years, I have met Forester in person and played with him in his Casino, I have become quite adept at using the FF, in fact I actually named it the Forest Fib so that if I was ever detected I could claim it was a mini-defibrillator for my irregular heart beat condition for which I carry a letter from my doctor.

I cannot agree with the cowboy gamblers comments, it is certainly not a crude device, Forester is far from an amateur and the FF is very practical “in the field” IF a player has the will and the patience to learn how to use it correctly because it is a little more difficult than learning to operate your digital camera or cell phone. It is also a lot easier than coming to grips with a new computer or software program.

The previous comments about camouflage bets, pit boss attention, wheelwatching and VB are all part of the roulette professionals armoury and the comments about GREED are the real undoing of most big bettors. The true long term professional knows exactly how much money they can walk away with each session without attracting undue attention. My photo is on file at a number of Casino’s but I have never once been questioned or subjected to unwarranted heat and have certainly never been barred as an undesirable, ie. a winner in the Casino’s eyes. At the same time roulette has paid for my groceries for a number of years.

Cowboys should perhaps stick to counting cows if they can’t cope.

Mike.

hi guys
mike be nice,we have history and time with the ff we know the power of ff i would like to think that as time goes by
people will come up with just one idea that will help in our quest, as for forrester please do not waste time ans the
cheap one liners or explaining your self{no need} just pick the good ideas and expand on them
as far as others like bago and co let them go to g/glen or where ever
lets keep this site for the positive ideas only

minerox
let the moon and stars shine on you

Well, people like you, Mike and few others who were at the start of development only know how much struggling was to bring the FF to this level. The FF is reality and of course it is not good enough if it is compared to imaginary system.

Whatever is happening at GG is more Fishmans fault then anybodies else.

Yeah Minerox you are right of course, I don’t have to defend Forester his work speaks for itself. I gave GG away long ago. Keep the ideas coming Cowboy and I will keep my criticisms to myself.

hi guys
we know what we know and we know that we do not know it all

i for one am a great believer in team play,i also insist that the one placing the chips ,carrys nothing on his person
except the knowalege in his head ie he knows the wheel layout backwards the table layout backwards he can place nine chips to cover the top half of the wheeh in secondsl and lastly all i require is to know when the ball is likely to drop in the top half of the wheel
more that 50% of the time to be a winner,we do not need to bet every spin,we do not require any boby to stare at the wheel constanly only for a few seconds every spin,simple really

plus a spell check forester

minerox
let the moon and stars shine on you