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ADVANCED ROULETTE PLAY / Re: Roulette visual prediction
« Last post by Forester on Yesterday at 09:39:57 AM »
Yes,
Thanks for nice explantion.

It also explains why using AP system then back engineering results is not same as playing real game.

We may have the system that gives us 40% advantage but in real play based on our selections and play we may get only 10%.
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ADVANCED ROULETTE PLAY / Re: Roulette visual prediction
« Last post by dokma on Yesterday at 08:41:26 AM »
What do you wanna discuss ? They are all skill based tecknikes that if you play them wrong you might be worse off than random play.

In fact there is no way to be worse off than random play. This is a mathematical concept that is often hard to explain to non mathematicians but I will try (I am an educated mathematician). The mathematical foundations of the table are such that in order to achieve anything other than random play you need to disrupt the even distribution of hits on the table. This in turn means that not every number has equal chance of being hit. How ever this is exactly what you need in order to beat the house edge. A simple way to explain this is to imagine there are only 2 numbers to bet on: 0 and 1. Your chances are 50% to win on any bet on one number. So the only way for you to be losing in such a game is to have this distribution disrupted, for example one pocket, let's say it's the zero, have 49% chance and the other one have 51% chance. You would then need to be stupid enough or uninformed to bet on the zero. So in fact, mathematically speaking, when you manage to lose faster than random play you have in fact beaten the table (if the margin is large enough to exceed the house that is).

This situation will often happen with newbie trackers. They deploy a system and start loosing faster than random play (which actually means they've beaten the table as explained above) simply because they do not record their stats in order to be able to statistically determine how the table has been bent. A simple example is a successful VT system that I developed and used. Initially I thought that the table was disrupted away from zero (losing money in the process) but through statistical measurement I found it was actually bent towards the zero. After some 300 recorded rounds I found that my margin was about 6%. Which unfortunately led to me having to spend huge amounts of time at the table due to the fact I picked only runs with very narrow physical constraints (ball speed, wheel speed, wheel starting position and synchronisation with the crossbars) that would occur once perhaps every 10-20 runs.

Despite that I managed to prove that my system works. During 5 months of testing I recorded close to a thousand runs. My margin was maintained at 6% and I earned 3150 units while never entering the table with more than 100 units. After I solved the initial problem I never went negative again.

So the lesson is: If you are losing faster than random play you have actually beaten the table but picked the numbers whose chance of being hit has been lowered by whichever system you deployed. There is no VT system that can tell you when X occurs these numbers are more likely FOR ANY TABLE. The only thing that a good VT system can deliver is to disrupt the distribution far enough for it to be profitable. It is on the player then to determine through statistical measurement how the table was bent in order to exploit the created weakness. If it was any simpler than that roulette would be out of the casinos long time ago...
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ADVANCED ROULETTE PLAY / Re: Is Jafco Mark Howe?
« Last post by Forester on Yesterday at 04:34:56 AM »
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Hi Forester

Thanks for aswering me and for clearing my doubts.

Here's my situation, I was thinking that with a vibe system wich is Jafco's, I could make something good on a "biased" wheel wich Jafco told me it is, this wheel almost always hits just 2 vertical diamonds beafore it lands.

I mean I know I'll not be rich with this system and I wont win 20K in one day with just 100 buck, but is there any possibility I can make a reasonable ammount of money buying a system?? does it woths to spend 300 buck in buying one?

I hope you can answer me clearing the points I mention to you.

Thanks for your patience

Regards xxx




You should write it at forums instead using PM.


Because I know there is some people here who purchased “vibe” system.
I do not know if anyone will comment.

It all depends on where you going to use it.
Jafco predicts 4 or 3.25 rotations before end of spin.

By my opinion it is too late, only 5-6 sec before then ball drops.
Perhaps you may be able to place chip or two at some tables. I am not sure if it is worth playing because you can’t play big units. Wen playing 1-2 numbers per spin, since sample of played spins is relatively small you will be exposed to big deviations in results.

Next problem is can you on your wheel know just by looking ball speed if it is 3.25 or 4 rotations before drop? Casino wheels are not as Jafco’s, where ball decelerates rapidly it is much harder to spot difference in between ball rotations. 

Then, look how the ball jumps ? If ball is jumping everywhere you can’t win.

From Jafco you will get timer that gives vibration every sec. You can use it to check rotor speed.
He also gives you cards for beginners, where each card is for each kind of ball. Based how many pockets rotor makes in reference time you look on card and it projects where the ball will drop.( Assuming that you rightly guessed 4th rev.  )

In usual original cards will not work accurately because they are made for his wheel, but it can be made for your wheel. It is only to be used when you learning. However in his book I did not see any other solution.

Only you can put it all together and make your own mind.

When I play VB, I predict 10-12 sec before then ball drops.
Obviously I can’t have great opinion about system that predicts 5-6 sec to the end of spin and where the player has to estimate particular ball rotation.

Spend time reading
http://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,1019.0.html
Also look for explanation of the knee point. If you can identify it on your wheel it is better then just estimating.

FFZ is the most accurate system, if someone asks me can he make money with it, I can’t answer it because there is so many additional factors. I am trying to say even with such device as FFZ it's hard. With VB is harder, it requires a lot of practice and much better conditions.

Good luck.
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ROULETTE COMPUTER / Re: Is this roulette device work with ?
« Last post by great karma on Yesterday at 04:20:59 AM »
Thank you for your quick response !!  It sound workable in both scenarios !
Im out of town for a couple of weeks, so I wont be able to gather additional info. to decide which scenario is best. However I will be in touch to discuss purchase of FFZ.

Thank you

Great Karma
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ROULETTE COMPUTER / Re: Is this roulette device work with ?
« Last post by Forester on Yesterday at 12:46:23 AM »
To use FFZ you need,

To clock rotor or at least 1.2 of rotor rotation.
Let’s say it takes 3 sec.
Then you need to clock ball at least 2 rotations
So let’s add 2 sec  and total is 5 sec.
If the ball as an indicator is used it takes about 0  to 0.7 sec to get prediction.
So we need ~6 sec to get FFZ to predict.

Alternative option.

Since you believe spins are close to constant in time to use timer as FFZ has built in.
Adjust it to let’s say 2 sec.
Then clock rotor with it.

One spin in 2 sec.  rotor makes 18 pockets you observe results.
Next spin rotor in 2 sec makes 20 pockets it is 2 pockets more in reference time of 2 sec.
It means 1 pocket more in one sec.

If your spins are 15 sec long it means you need to add 15 pockets to prediction of previous spin.
In other words for each extra pocket to add 7.5 pockets to prediction.
Because reference time 1.5 sec is only short that is why we have so much to add for each pocket of difference. When all is moving and timer starting and ending it is easy to be wrong by 1-2 pockets.
Adjusting timer to 4 sec and observing rotor change in that time would be more accurate for earlier predictions where the ball still has significant amount of time to travel.

When we use roulette computer we are better off.
Especially with FFZ or FFV.

We clock rotor, it may be 4 sec, so even if we are by one pocket wrong in clocking the error is smaller. If we use half rotor clocking then it would be same but RC is still better.

Because the time for rotor starts after we finished clocking so total ball traveling time is a bit less.

 FFZ is even better then talking roulette computers because rotor calculation is based on remaining time form moment we finish clocking the ball.  Another advantage is that computers designed as FFZ can clock rotor at any position, so player doesn’t waste time with waiting for rotor to come to particular position.

But everything has limits  :D
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ROULETTE COMPUTER / Re: Is this roulette device work with ?
« Last post by great karma on September 06, 2010, 03:58:18 PM »
Ok, I understand your your point about ball rotation and VB. I just want to make sure u understand my paticular situation with this machine. I reference ball rotation purely in the sense of the time I have to observe /
make prediction before NMB.  From your post you say I should use time before NMB to observe rotor speed and make prediction based on that.
Ok, the rotor speed varies fom spin to spin (actually seems to rotate for 6 or 7 spins at a particular speed, the either speeds up or slows down for the next series of spins). So it seems if I were to use FFZ to clock rotor speed I could gain advantage. again, ball speed seems to be launched at the same speed each time, rotor speed is the variable. I keep bringing up FFZ because of the speed and accuracy of it should always be better than VB.

I hope this is making sense to you.    Thank You
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ROULETTE COMPUTER / Re: Is this roulette device work with ?
« Last post by Forester on September 06, 2010, 09:26:37 AM »
The post is not about traditional VB but about counting rotations form start of the spin.
If you claim to have an advantage then small improvement may help.

“(Until ball makes 3 rotations form 20-17 if average ball rotation is 0.4 sec all together is 1.2s
If we look 15 to 12, ball rotations are slower, let's say in average 0.6 sec per rotation. 3 x 0.6=1.8 sec
1.8s is 0.6s longer than 1.2 s, that's' why it is worst. This is important to understand.)”

Counting few rotations form start of the spin makes it wost.

I would better use that time to observe rotor (if there is a changes in rotor speed).
That’s all.

FFZ wouldn’t be able to help you since 4 ball rev. are not enough time for prediction.
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ROULETTE COMPUTER / Re: Is this roulette device work with ?
« Last post by great karma on September 06, 2010, 06:30:44 AM »
I would like to improve my VB, but the automatd airball machine is all thats available in my area. There is a very short time from balll launch to no more bets so traditional VB is not really an option. Spins out from NMB is probably twelve spins. I think from reading about FFZ may be a better option, it is much faster and can predict farther out. comments ?

Correction: spins from NMB to ball landing  is 12 spins.
Once the ball launches I only have 4 ball revolutions to make prediction and get bets in before NMB.
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ROULETTE COMPUTER / Re: Is this roulette device work with ?
« Last post by Forester on September 05, 2010, 11:03:34 PM »
Why not try to improve your VB.

Somewhere at start of this thread I made an explanation about what is bad in counting rotations from start of the spin.

http://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,1019.msg9035.html#msg9035
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