Hard questions for Forester

[Skiman]

I understand of you want to ban me or remove my threads forester, but whats the point in having a forum if you are just going to censor me, unless you are here to make money off fools. I want you to know I do not want to aggravate you or anyting and just have some real questions for you. I dont care about the details. Give it to me straight.

QUESTION: Is it true a professional tester (Barnett) tested your computer and said "When the device did produce predictions, the results were close to random."? Is this true? And if it is true, why should anyone buy your computer if it was already professionally tested?

I assume you are going to say the tester didnt know what he was doing. But he is a professional. That is what he does, so that kind of excuse wont stick with me and nor should it with anyone.

Again please dont go on and on and on about details and excuses. Just tell me, is it true?

[forester]

It is not the hard question, and I do not remove posts.
Today I removed one post from guy who have a problem in his country to receive FFA because of custom tax. They do want to pass FFA until they get from somewhere price what it is really worth so they can tax it. It is a small country and there is 4-5 of my units there.
Another guy from same place have had same problem. And such problem never has happened on any other place. I removed it because I am trying to help him with email and provided what he needs such information by my opinion is confidential.


Back to your question.

It is because people who know me know that his test findings are funny.
First of all he claimed that FF has had only 21 % prediction.
Every single person who has the system can only laugh with that.
When I told him that even Stefano in his test have had 60% predictions and hit rate of 1 :15 (maybe coincidence since was only 21 spin predicted from 31) he changed it to 40%. (edited final review)

So how and why Barnett has such results and why he wrote what he wrote I simply can  not answer. At that time I just converted program to new chip and ASAP sent to him. It could be with problem I do not know. He refused to send me unit back so I can check and he also refused to show me video of testing which he claimed to have.

It is also hard to believe for me that he did it deliverable just to discredit me, because soon after he comes up with list of more computers for sale. Sure on his page he writes it is only for casinos, but I do not know if it is truth.

Later on I did talk with him and exchanged information.
I explained him a lot how FF works, and he looked pleasantly surprised. He asked me did I do all findings and research by myself and  promising that he will never bother me again.

It was truth, later on he did send me few more emails but that is confidential information and I don't want to talk about it in public.

Do I care about his test, since you can find all what he wrote at my site, so I do not have problem with it.

Did it affect my sales? Probably, but I do not care for sales since I left all what he have said on forum. Later on I ban him from forum only because he was very abusive to some members and anyway many of them did not like him here. On some way I did, since I like to have hard questions and serious discussion. During that process it was interesting for me to observe his behavior. He talked soft and try to get algorithms of program, then he starting rough. But he couldn't get anything more then what I was prepared to give.

How much he believed in his test tells you the fact that as soon as FFA was finished he wanted to buy it. I refused, and told him I scammed you once so do not be scammed again, and I stopped selling FFA completely. I start selling it when this silly Stefano made DMCA complaints that my site includes his copyright material because I made some quotes of stupidities that he have said. I have had so much trouble with it, so selling FFA is the biggest punishment for him.

The FFA were buying people who already did have FFZ, only recently it come to point that more people want it then what I can make in expected time. Most of them got information from someone who already has one of my systems.
One guy bought it simply because he made post here that he would like to purchase FFA from someone who is not happy with it. Since nobody replayed, he decided to buy new one. Anyway you question is right one, do your homework, after finishing research what you started you will be the next one.

[PJ]

"When the device did produce predictions, the results were close to random."?

@Skiman.. What does close to random mean?   I thought it either was random or was not random.  Also I wouldn't place too much emphasis (as you have) on the term "professional tester". The word "professional" is a grossly overused term and means nothing without both proof of qualifications and years of experience in that particular field.  It's the same for the term "consultant" and we all know that most if not all consultants merely "borrow your watch, tell you the time, then charge you".   

Personally I would have expected a "professional tester" to properly document the testing process and its extent then table the results together with their qualifications and commentary which should (if they are truly profesional) identify the objectives of the test and the identity of the person, organisation or institution that either engaged them to provide their professional services or to whom they will sell the results of their labour.   I have not yet seen any such report and have therefore deemed the excercise to be nothing more than a failed self-serving attempt to illicit information.

Cheers
PJ

[Skiman]

Thanks for the long response but what I read from your post:

A professional tester tested my roulette computer and determined it gave near random predictions. He published his negative review, and posted negative things on my forum here, so I banned him.

I am sorry but I dont listen to the parts between. You are selling something here and you are going to try and advertise it, speak highly of your product, twist and bend truth and so on and so forth and try to discredit your competition. That is how I see it but in business everyone does it. After having found a new site with a lot of information about you and the other computer sellers, I believe you have been dishonest about many things but you hide it well. Mark Howe is a real wonder he might actually be sick but who cares if his product works. Stefano seems reputable except for a lot of bad things said about him that I cannot confirm yet but if he is a scammer you say I will know soon.

forester like i said i am not trying to aggravate you and I just want to get to the bottom of things.

NEXT QUESTION: If a player should play tilted wheels, why do I need your computer whether it is or isnt the best computer around? I mean even stefano says mark's computer beats tilted wheels and I'm sure stefanos computer at least beats tilted wheels too. So why if they beat tilted wheels do you call them scammers?

One thing I see is both you and mark howe say stefano scammer scammer stefano bad when he is saying both yours and marks computer still have moderate effectiveness. I dont believe stefano could sell a $7500 product for years and do so dishonestly especially with federal trading organisations corporations if his computer really was a random number generator.

I'm not interested in people you say that say they are scammers because people say you are a scammer also or that your computer is no good and I'm not even counting the professional tester Barnett who said your computer gave near random predictions. I would be more inclined to believe Barnett than what one of your competitors say about your computer. I own a business of my own and know you are going to have people that blame a product instead of their own use and understanding, and whilst Barnett's issues may have been incompetence, I doubt it because as I understand the man does this professionally.

Anyhow I am not interested in the details. I just want my questions answered. You dont need to give big long explanations and I dont care about small details.

[Skiman]

PJ thankyou for your input but at this stage you are in my view potentially forester defending himself. I am not saying you are, but this is his forum. The thing that I am focused on with barnett is he is not some schmuck off the street. He tests these things for a living. If he cant make it work than what hope does the average joe have.

like i said, whilst he could have been incompetent, it is doubtful. With all of mark howe stefano and forester there is multiple sources saying negative things. Maybe they really are all bad. But I have to consider the sources of information and whether or not they are reliable. Now stefano and mark might be scammers, but so far all i found with people speaking poorly of them is people claiming to be customers of theirs. With forester I have found a professional tester saying foresters computer gives near random predictions. All these guys probably write negative reviews about each other under different names and I'm saying Barnett appears to be an exception with his review about foresters computer.

There are just a lot of fishy things that jsut dont fit and want to get to the bottom of them but I dont want to lose focus of what matters.

[Yous]

Ski man, if u were realli interested in the right information, u shuldnt be here, u should spend ur valuable time asking barnett these questions and his other converstations with forester, then u can get the truth, stop acting bossy on this forum.

[forester]

..A professional tester tested my roulette computer and determined it gave near random predictions. He published his negative review, and posted negative things on my forum here, so I banned him.

I did not say that, when Barnett decided to buy FFZ I had to give him and access to support forum. Members were uncomfortable with him over there. Prior to that he suggest me that I do not say it to anybody, which of course was not my stile towards members.

On the end Barnett was banned because of his indecent proposal and abuse of one of oldest members here. (At least he realized that and apology. I already ban him and all members were happy with my decision. If I ban him because of his test to hide something I definitely wouldn't leave his discussions at forum. Anyway keep going with posts, after few more you will have access to more forums so you can see it for yourself. I moved roulette reviews to private forums section because I got sick of complaint from Stefano and Mark. This way it is not their business what people privately talking. ) I accepted his proposal and accepted that I will demonstrate FFZ and show my face in casino if he can arrange for me that I can play uninterruptedly until I make 1M on wheel I chose or until I lose all money. He played big with his challenge so I asked him to follow it.
He did not accept it. It is normal, because he doesn't have such authority as he claims.

..I am sorry but I don't listen to the parts between. You are selling something here and you are going to try and advertise it, speak highly of your product, twist and bend truth and so on and so forth and try to discredit your competition. That is how I see it but in business everyone does it.

I do not, that s their interpretation. If you were here long enough you would know that when FFZ was finished it want for sale for about a year. I still did have forum, and if someone contact me I referred him to Stefano or Mark. FFZ I did sell for$300-$400 at that time but only to people who worked with me on it.
If you have some logic it wouldn't be hard to understand that with that price I have no reason to compete or to discredit anybody. But someone who is selling it for $5000 , where time to load program on the phonies close to nothing, do have reasons to discredit me and to stop information coming out.
 
So why would I be competitor to Stefano or Mark. At that time I did have problem with Mark, but I also invited him to work on FF's design with all of us. He was in boys club for few days only, then he quit. With Stefano problem come later, because of Bago who purchased Stefano's computer, believed it is something good and start arguing with me. It took him about 3 months to find out that Stefano's computer doesn't work at all. That was after my explanation how to test it and what to look for. (what he thinks now about Stefano you can read http://www.zyworld.com/Bago/Stefano_Hourmouzis_Scam.htm )

At that time I have had 6 people who did purchased Stefanos computer. In addition one of guys from Ritz team in Croatia did tests on his computer. That was what cracked Stefano to madness. When i told him he call all 3 guys in Croatia to whom he sold computers, found who gave the computer for testing and he locked the computer so it can't be tested any more. First he was disonest about the case but later on he admitted it, you can find it at GG forum. His excuse was that the man broke his contract by letting someone else test his computer)

I asked Stefano to refund at least ½ of money to 6 people but he made all b/s stories as in usual.

Stefano was running manipulative site roulettesystemreviews.com instantly made negative review of FFZ, and 2 additional web pages writing all rubbish about me, claiming that nothing is truth.

I did not care because people still could get link to myrulet.com and read facts.
So Stefano removed myrulet.com completely form his roulettesystemreviews.com for about year. And if you did not know at that site he was pretending to be someone else same as on rouletteforum.net . How ethical is that?

..After having found a new site with a lot of information about you and the other computer sellers, I believe you have been dishonest about many things but you hide it well.

I hide nothing. I even do not hide from people that winning roulette in casino is hard job that requires a lot of skill and practice.

..Mark Howe is a real wonder he might actually be sick but who cares if his product works.

It doesn't work.

..Stefano seems reputable except for a lot of bad things said about him that I cannot confirm yet but if he is a scammer you say I will know soon.

Really, how someone can be reputable if he was already sentenced for 2 years jail for scamming people?
And if he was running false sites pretending to be someone else to promote his product and to discredit the others.

..NEXT QUESTION: If a player should play tilted wheels, why do I need your computer whether it is or isnt the best computer around? I mean even stefano says mark's computer beats tilted wheels and I'm sure stefanos computer at least beats tilted wheels too. So why if they beat tilted wheels do you call them scammers?

You do not need my computer, you do not need any computer to win at tilted wheel if you know what you doing.
But there is a difference in between computers.
Is not same if computer predicts point where the ball will hit rotor within 1:30 or if it does with 1:5.  Stefano's computer couldn't provide even 1:30 (that is without ball scatter). Anyay with 1:30 rotor hit you can wipe your a.. in real casino.  Even if you try to predict in same ball rotation it was giving random result.  However I noticed that Stefano at his new video is doing 10-15 ball rotations clocked. It is stupid since that amount doesn't improve accuracy. So I believe he gave up on his previous program and start using basic tilt wheel approach, where you do clocking until ball reach particular speed, then only calculate rotor movement for remaining time.

Stefano still doesn't understand that calculation for leveled wheel prediction and tilted wheel prediction is completely different and it can't be mixed.
Inaccuracy of his computer is not only in algorithms, but in time measurement because he is using mobile phone.  If you have basic understanding you will understand that it is done on top of mobiles operating system without access to processor interrupt functions. Therefore accurate time measurement is imposable. Mobile phone is the worst since operating system doing all the time priority functions in background. And that is to check for communication with tower.

..One thing I see is both you and mark howe say stefano scammer scammer stefano bad when he is saying both yours and marks computer still have moderate effectiveness. I dont believe stefano could sell a $7500 product for years and do so dishonestly especially with federal trading organisations corporations if his computer really was a random number generator.

That is why he is threatening people, and blocking computers so there is no prove.
It is people's stupidity to purchase computer under his conditions. In contact them sign that they will not talk and complain about his computer.

Well then you should ask Barnett what he really thinks about me and about the others. I hope you find him in good mood willing to talk.

[Skiman]

Who cares about arguments you had with barnett. I only care he is experienced and determined your computer gave near random predictions. I should mention I have around 20 years experience in roulette and the gaming industry. You cant test a computer on a single spin because you forget things like wheel condition changes, and accuracy with different rotor speeds. Stefano says air pressure makes a big difference but it is actually ball skid marks that have greater effect. If you test on one spin you dont test in realistic conditions and not one spin. This is probably why barnett got his results.

I know about bago from stefanos roulette wars site. I dont believe someone competent would take 3 months to determine if a device is a scam or not. Give me a computer and I can tell you in a few minutes. I read lots of stuff written about stefano by bago see mostly junk. When I look at the important information, I see no clear evidence of scam. The charts of difference between predictions and winning numbers are not random and these are charts bago says are random. There is also stefanos video on his site and it does appear authentic. It would be very hard to fake what he has done. Whether or not your computer is better, I dont ebleive stefanos computer is a scam. youd have enough experiene forester to see this but you say stefano scam scam scam buy ffa it is best and it is typical of competition.

I still doubt mark's computer is completely ineffective. You did not answer my question about mark's computer and just said it doesnt work. Why would anyone buy your computer when they can get a cheaper one that already works on tilted wheels?

You say 6 people tested stefanos computer. If I was scammed for $7500 Id be as mad as hell and tell everyone about it but I dont see these people. There are people supporting him and people downing him and people that have just opinions. Stefano addresses the 6 people at his roulettewars.com website. He says you lie about them. When it comes to meeting him he suggest people say to you,

In doubt of this? Ask him for yourself to proceed with the meeting. Any venue can be used. CC all emails to yourself so you can see the correspondence. You will see he will make any excuse to avoid it.

So I want to see what you say to his invitation. I want you to email him and me saying you want to meet him with the 6 computers. I want to see who is going to back out. Do it and back up your word to see who is going to make the excuses.

I have seen a review site of yours forester where you hammer your competitors so you are no better than stefano. Stefano says a lot at his roulette wars website and after reading it I believe you have been dishonest about him for your own gain. the general consesus about stefano here is that hes a scammer but i dont believe that is the case. I think the case is you three idiots go in circles trying to discredit each other but idiots or not I believe you all have something that can be used for advantage. Which is best is something I dont know yet. I am still reading a lot of material on the internet and will have more questions soon.

[forester]

..Who cares about arguments you had with barnett. I only care he is experienced and determined your computer gave near random predictions.

Nobody cares, and all people who were involvd in discussion did nto care.
How he can convince someone who has FFZ that it predicts only 21% of spins and that it produces random result.

I should mention I have around 20 years experience in roulette and the gaming industry. You cant test a computer on a single spin because you forget things like wheel condition changes, and accuracy with different rotor speeds.

Who said that computer should be tested only on single spin. I run tens of different tests.  But anyway did you see Bago's test of Stefano's computer. It couldn't pass even that. So, what are you trying to say?

..I know about Bago from Stefanos roulette wars site. I dont believe someone competent would take 3 months to determine if a device is a scam or not.

Who says that Bago at that time did know enough? Give him computer now and he will tell you within 24 hours. At that time Stefano even convinced him that his computer can produce advantage even on side bets.

Bago did test and Mark Howe's computer and Stefano's, and result is clear. SCAM. Because of that he never believed me that FFA is different so he simply put me in same group with Stefano and Mark.
He start changing his mind when I showed him in live camera how the FFA predicts. That was what made him to buy it.

The charts of difference between predictions and winning numbers are not random and these are charts Bago says are random.

And you tell me that you have experience. Of course if you reverse engineer spins where you were winning that you will get some more hits on positions final number minus average ball scatter. So if he has accuracy of 1:28 to hits to rotor only it is pointless . It means it is not generated by computer but by reverse engineering. Final result wouldn't even pass house advantage, and another problem is that player wouldn't be able to detect where advantage is. Spins that Bag showed from Stefano's video is what he calls raw prediction.
He also claims that his computer predicts point where the ball will hit rotor, and player only adjust offset of average ball jumps. Where in video did you see that the ball is hitting to predicted number? So shush. 

..Youd have enough experiene forester to see this but you say stefano scam scam scam buy ffa it is best and it is typical of competition.

 Stefano was imprisoned for scamming people  if you do not believe me read
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/scitech/SciTechRepublish_205774.htm

On top of that I know all stupidities that he was saying and doing to people.
But for smart person even this will be enough. It looks as you for some reason ignoring all what I was writing earlier.

...I still doubt mark's computer is completely ineffective. You did not answer my question about mark's computer and just said it doesn't work. Why would anyone buy your computer when they can get a cheaper one that already works on tilted wheels?

Put it this way, we have few of marks computers, none of them works. To one person after payment he even did not send computer. ABC who bought my and his computer at same time made a clear review. Because by his email at my forum which he also used when he purchased Mark's computer Mark found out who he is and he did have his details. He made threat to him to stop it or he will supply his details to every casino in EU. Since guy was very happy with FF and did not want anybody changes it he stopped and even stopped writing on forums. Mark come here and explained that by mistake he loaded wrong software and sent to ABC. Fair enough, it could happen, but he refused to replace it, which can mean only one thing.

But time is running, Mark is much smarter then Stefano in technical field.
Who knows maybe he improved something in past 6 months.  Anyway here and then he sends me an email,  with some news. I told him fine with me just do not be again professor from Norway and do false reviews.

You obviously do not know all story.
Mark is not promoter as Stefano. Stefano actually took marks idea and made big advertisements. He run all campaign to discredit Mark.



Man, if you did not know, Stefano is banned for sending me emails.
After all he did to me I do not want any communication with him.

Months ago I told him, fine lets do it, load $50 mobile phone and if it works I will use it and tell to everybody. There wouldn't be need for me to work on FFA development and problem solved. I would have FFZ only. But Stefano refused claiming that I will somehow copy his software. Now how does it match with his claim that his software is protected. Now even that offer is not valid any more. I simply do not want to have any business with him.


I know that he would somehow like to change things, but long time ago I told him to stop it and that he obviously doesn't know what he is doing. He simply cannot hurt me; I do not care for sales. But all that comes from discussion or arguments only hurts him since he is the one who can make profit only if he sells his scam.

..I have seen a review site of yours forester where you hammer your competitors so you are no better than Stefano. Stefano says a lot at his roulette wars website and after reading it I believe you have been dishonest about him for your own gain.

Which gain? Did you maybe read at Barnetts review and that he stated that price of FF considering all work involved doesn't provide profit.
My gain is to have this forum and to make friends with people who know something or who want to experiment so we can learn together. 

the general consesus about stefano here is that hes a scammer but i dont believe that is the case.

That is your problem, sooner you change you belief it will be better for you. Anyway you belief is based on nothing. I do not believe but I know.

You wrote
"Stefano seems reputable except for a lot of bad things said about him"

I asked you

"Really, how someone can be reputable if he was already sentenced for 2 years jail for scamming people?
And if he was running false sites pretending to be someone else to promote his roulette product and to discredit the others."

But you did not answer.
You have a prove that he was scamming and you saying you do not believe it.

I think the case is you three idiots go in circles trying to discredit each other but idiots or not I believe you all have something that can be used for advantage. Which is best is something I don't know yet. I am still reading a lot of material on the internet and will have more questions soon.

Then you think wrongly and there is good chance thet by one third you could be wrong.
 
Anyway you will be better of going to talk with Stefano. He has forum but now he was forced to admit that it is his forum. It is http://www.rouletteforum.net

So, go there and write a link
http://www.myrulet.com
or link of this thread Stefano will love you for that.
Anyway did you notice any active link even from his roulettesystemreviews.com site to any other site then his. What do you think why?

[Skiman]

So your excuse for refusing to meet stefano is that you banned him from emailing you? Things are becoming clearer when it comes to the crunch.

I am not interested in fine points. Read roulettewars.com so you know what I know about all this. I dont believe you. maybe you are ignorant too like he says. I have seen stefanos computer tested on the same spin it is on his site and tester ronjo is going to check this. I dont think he would do this test if he was a scam. He already sent his computer for testing to others but they backed out but ronjo hasnt and we will see. What scammer would expose himself like this if he were a scammer? It doesnt make sense if you are not lying.

I dont care if he has criminal history it not about his systems but you use that to discredit him, which discredits you. This might convince people his computer is a scam, but not me. It is just not relevant. I dont believe he is a bad person but he did do a stupid thing but its not anything to do with his computer anyway. Stefano has been professional and spoken about even the side bets at roulettewars.com and never skipped my questions. I am sorry again but you make a lot of hot air when he speaks rationally. I feel sorry for stefano and what he's obvoiously put up with. Who cares if stefano doesnt want to link here it all has nothing to do with what is important and why wouold he link here anyway.

I have seen your analysis of his prediction to rotor, but it is only valid if you assume his computer operates without consideration to real environment. I am sure you didnt expect someone who knows better to come along. the end scatter is much more important than distance to rotor and he adequately demonstrated this in his videos. What you are saying is like he published to everyone proof of a scam which is nonsense, and you are admitting your computer has flaws.

Forester a lot of your testimony is based on bago. Bago a schmuck from the street who took 3 months. Barnett a professional.

Even stefano says marks computer beats tilted wheels and you say it is rubbish scam scam. Even if your computer is better that does not make marks a scam. If ABC is a customer of marks then who cares abut anything else except the actual computer? It is crazy what you idiots do to win and make each other look bad.

I just want the truth about which computer is best. I dont care about the rest of crap. I am looking forward to stefanos demo with ronjo so we will know the truth from an unbiased person. Might be the same results as with Barnett, we'll see. Barnett would have had your support because you would have wanted good reviews but still he couldnt get good results. He said what he found so you banned him and make some other excuse.

[forester]

Yes, that is correct I do not want to have any business with Stefano.
He was scamming my email box pretending to be someone else, then he complained to hotmail and I lost email address that I have had for years. For me that is enough of his idiotism, for you whatever.

..I dont care if he has criminal history it not about his systems but you use that to discredit him, which discredits you.

So man was imprisoned for scamming people and he is reputable by you. And you accusing me as I did something wrong.

..This might convince people his computer is a scam, but not me.

Fair enough, leave your kids with ex pedofile.

..I dont believe he is a bad person but he did do a stupid thing but its not anything to do with his computer anyway.

No it doesn't, but it does with people who lost much money because of his scam.

...Stefano has been professional and spoken about even the side bets at roulettewars.com

LOL, roulette wars, and professional don't go together. Man I have no time to look what scammer is doing and I simply do not care. Let him have his wars.

..Who cares if stefano doesnt want to link here it all has nothing to do with what is important and why wouold he link here anyway.

If you are searching for information links are useful. But his links are pointing only to more of his scamming sites.

.. I am sure you didnt expect someone who knows better to come along.

I did, that is why I gave to Kelly access to all forum sections. evenhe never bought FF system. But what Stefano convinced you is rubbish.

.."the end scatter is much more important than distance to rotor and he adequately demonstrated this in his videos."

Good luck with your believe that he can predict how the ball will jump fromspin to spin.

...Forester a lot of your testimony is based on bago. Bago a schmuck from the street who took 3 months. Barnett a professional.

I thought that I was one who was explaining to Bago, but whatever.
Do you know what Stefano have said to people when they start repeating spins to see if computer will predict same and when they found out that his computer every time predicts differently?

He said why would you do that, same spin will never repeat in casino. It took me more then a year to explain to people so they can understand that if computer is predicting accurately if you repeat same spin it has to predict it with same result.
You can see when was that and how much explanations I had to give so what you call "competitor" can understand basics if you read myrulet.com.

..If ABC is a customer of marks then who cares abut anything else except the actual computer?

He was his customer until he found out that his computer predicts randomly.
http://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,211.0.html

...I just want the truth about which computer is best. I dont care about the rest of crap. I am looking forward to stefanos demo with ronjo so we will know the truth from an unbiased person.

You do not have to wait so long. Did you forgot that Stefano last 3 years always proving that his computer works. But when was real challenge he runs away.
"Barnett is smart enough to not even bother about Stefano's computer. 

Why don't you ask "Stefano" about scientists who tested his computer and his reports? Great progress from scientists to some member on his own forum. He even by mistake made one post under Ronjos name.
 
Anyway, I am really not interested in that and you have no logic.

You have here truth from 20 unbiased people and you are waiting for truth from someone as Ronjo. You are not so stupid but you definitely now why you writing all this, so get lost and call someone else idiots. At some parts of this forum there is so much about Stefano so any further discussion is waste of time and boring.


Good luck to you. You should buy Stefano's computer, FFA requires to be operated by people with more logic.

[arnold]

Can you not bury the hatchet and get Barnett to test your latest device?
The results can only give players some confidence to use them, if he was able to demonstrate an advantage in real casino conditions.

[forester]

Can you not bury the hatchet and get Barnett to test your latest device?
The results can only give players some confidence to use them, if he was able to demonstrate an advantage in real casino conditions.

I can send him only a new chip for FFZ, I will not send him FFA.

I do not want him even to know how FFA looks.
It was same with FFZ, even I was selling it I never want to show to anybody how it looks. My objective is not to promote and to sell as may devices I can, but also to protect users, i believe that I keep reasonable balance.

I start showing FFZ only after crazy Stefano published picture of it. He though he will hurt me, but result was opposite, I gave more information to potential buyers. The best part was when he did predictions with FFZ trying to show how zap is ineffective and when he had 1:15 hit rate. If you are wondering how did he get FFZ 1.5 years ago. I tell you.
"He was sending emails pretending to be someone else who lost all money with Stefano's system.
I sent him system for free. The system should go to overseas coutry, but when I was about to send it he asked me please can you send t to my family in Australia they are traveling in few days so they can carry it to me. I gave 2 systems for free, no more.

..The results can only give players some confidence to use them.

Do not worry FF players with FF they do not need Barnett's test to know what FF can do or what it can't do. Perfect roulette prediction is not possible, but FF provides maximum of what is possible. I am not a kid to go in to Stefano's and Mark's games "my computer can do this , my computer can do that" I clearly state what my computer can do and I explain reasons why some things are imposable. Smart people understand that and have no problem with it.

[arnold]

Can you give a list of what your latest device can do.
Such as
Basic John Huxley wheel, single number prediction 1 in 20 hit rate.
Starburst, single number prediction 1 in 24 hit rate.

This would be a great help for anybody who is interested.

A worse senario negative result would also be a good thing, so we would know how bad a bad situation could become.
Such as Starburst, single number prediction 1 in 45 hit rate.

[Kelly]

Mathematicly spoken, its not that easy. Usually you would see the negative deviation as a -3 standard deviation from expectation. But if you calculate -3 SD over 1000 spins you will get one value, but this value will be much higher if you calculate over 5000 spins or 10.000 spins. The higher the amount of spin you have, the higher the possible standard deviation. That only affects the drawdown.

The higher the edge you have, the sooner you will be able to get out of the danger zone (danger zone = possible loss of bankroll). Here is what you need to play to get out of the danger zone.

Edge.............Spins
2%..............15176
4%................7732
6%................5251
8%................4010
10%..............3265
15%..............2272
20%..............1776
25%..............1478
30%..............1279

Quote: Pierre Basieux, Die Z ¤hmung die Schwankungen page 161

[forester]

Whatever I write it wouldn't be accurate answer. If you search forum you will find hundreds of graphs, each one is different and each one is truthful.
There is also a graph that displays system stability in time.

Truth is that none of them matches casino play. One is for sure; real play in average is always worst then tests. Same kind of wheel same ball can produce very different result, especially on leveled wheel. Accuracy of predictions also related to remaining time of spin. The most truthful picture is one that I mostly like to use, and which more and more people start looking as the most valid " Capability of computer to predict where the ball will hit on rotor".
This is my conclusion for FFA.
Leveled ~1:12
Tilt ~1:6

But in real play huge deviations from that are possible.
I consider roulette as dynamic game, what is valid in first 100 spins may not be valid in next 100. In casino the lover ball scatter is it is easier to player to define where the advantage is. Same applies with higher accuracy of hits to rotor.
Recently I am playing pretty much screwed wheel, with very slight tilt.
What do you do if after 30 spins domination of one diamond disappears, if you continue and measure your play adding results to previous data you will get nothing?
But if you realize what has happened of course you will stop playing and keep some of advantage that you created. Advantage is never only in the system but in understanding conditions you face, and how you handling it. So it is a package. Real advantage is only in $ you make.
Talking about same wheel, I played 4 times VB and in total profited $500 (shut up better then nothing), Fifth time I used TILT2 FFZ, in 2.5 hours I was in front $4,000 with bets $100-$150 per spin. Then come spinner, spinner, wrong diamond, spinner, wrong diamond..., in between some good hits but on edge of sector where I placed smallest amount. Then prediction 11 probably placed $200, around but did not have time to cover 36 (far end of table). It was perfect DD hit it was perfect ball jump but the ball stopped at 36... Can't play such conditions and this spin was very frustrating.
(of course i was only joking with this, i would never use any device in casino or VB, i play just by chance )
 

[toby]

Mathematicly spoken, its not that easy. Usually you would see the negative deviation as a -3 standard deviation from expectation. But if you calculate -3 SD over 1000 spins you will get one value, but this value will be much higher if you calculate over 5000 spins or 10.000 spins. The higher the amount of spin you have, the higher the possible standard deviation. That only affects the drawdown.

The higher the edge you have, the sooner you will be able to get out of the danger zone (danger zone = possible loss of bankroll). Here is what you need to play to get out of the danger zone.

Edge.............Spins
2%..............15176
4%................7732
6%................5251
8%................4010
10%..............3265
15%..............2272
20%..............1776
25%..............1478
30%..............1279

Quote: Pierre Basieux, Die Z ¤hmung die Schwankungen page 161

Does it mean that it is the same the have an edge of 30% after 1279 spins as having and edge of 2% after 15176 spins?

The risk is the same in both situations?

I know the more information you have the more accurate the outcome.

[Yous]

Yo ski man, my bro.. dont u understand, why stefano is so professional with u ? he wants to scam u, and take ur money and i have a feeling ur like me, waste ur money on stefano and then come crying to forester, i did that, and i am just hoping u dont learn it the hard way.

good luck.u have all our respects for finding the truth.

[forester]

Just received email.

Have you seen this website: genuinestrategy.com
It really looks like all the get-rich scamming website that pop ups the Internet.
Guess who is it, scammer Stefano!

Unreal I spent 20 sec on that site and I already know it is just another Stefano's scam.
It is obvious that nobody buying his scam any more.
Yous ,you must be the only one who was recently scammed.

So, Mr. Skiman here is for you another site to find the truth.
Anyway , why you are hiding your IP behind server.

Maybe coincidently your geographical location is Melbourne, so just in case I do not think that you are Stefano.
How about you give me your phone number I will call you and explain to you details.

I may even arrange live video conference and demonstrate you how FFA is a miracle of equipment.

[forester]

Oh, and another email but one that has meaning to me.

"You are unbelievably precise man. Unf....believable!!!
XXXX just got the package. I am breathless and speachless. He called me and show me everything via video call. In the evening, he will come to me and we will start learning.
 
I really admire your work. "

[Skiman]

I will do more reading and get back to you. Like i said I am only interested in which computer is best.

[forester]

No you will not come back with reason to find out which computer is the best.

It is because you are scammer. And I let readers to see and understand how scammers operate.

You use scamming IP hiding your real identity, location and IP behind server.
Your IP is 67.159.44.138 and it is one of  IP's that scammers use to scam public forums and various interactive web pages to hide real identity.
That IP is blocked at many sites.
Examples:
http://www.wikihow.com/User_talk:67.159.44.138

http://ww.virtueverse.com/index.php/User:67.159.44.138/

I answered all your questions and you noticed that I did not answer one and complained.
But in same time you did not answer any of questions I have asked you.

You saying that you want to find the best computer, but in same time refusing to see live camera predictions and talk with me by phone. You claimed that people here on forum may be myself. But a friend of mine from Europe told me that he send you PM willing to talk with you by phone and you refused.

You hiding your phone number and location. You talking and want to see only problems that etching Stefano, trying to fix something that is unfixable.

Oh, no man I am not saying that you are Stefano, you could be his mom or his dog, but you cant be far from him. So I think the best for you is to try to find your luck somewhere else. Perhaps roulette war or whatever that new Stefano's site is, that you were calling professional.

You took few hours of my life, so no more life lines for you.
You used it all call friend, ask audience, and 50/50. No you can't be a millionaire and you can't have FF, but you can go to hole where you come from. And no, we are not interested about Stefano's new test, same as we were not interested about his scamming roulette conference that never existed, which he used only to manipulate overseas buyers.

We've seen already too much from him, his spins, and his report from scientists, his jail record, and his dishonesty in pretending to be someone else. Also his habit of hiding IP to scam forum places.

P.S.
And yes I've seen and house in which Stefano GW was living when he was claiming that he lives in a mention. Six months ago the house was advertised for rent and I've seen all pictures from inside including TV on which he was doing single spin test.

P.S.
This wil help you to buy.
Stefano's computer on eBay

Item number: 230333740856
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230333740856

Here is the description and picture.

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"This is the actual computer sold on roulettecomputers.com.  Allows for subverisve predictive ability of live roulette game by timing the ball and wheel, increasing odds from 1/36 to between 1/10 and 1/20. 
Roulette computers are discrete electronic devices designed to predict the outcome of spins and win at roulette. They are far more effective than any roulette strategy, including the genuinewinner.com roulette system. Using a range of methods, they measure the speed and deceleration of the wheel and ball to cheat and predict where the ball is most likely to land. If the computer has been designed correctly, predictions are clearly accurate enough to overcome the house edge and win at roulette.
Please read the details on roulettecomputers.com - this device works well and includes a wireless induction loop, earpiece, and training video.  It currently retails for over $8,000 on the website."

In addition it is stated "The seller will not accept returns for this item."

There is not much to say, someone was scammed for  $8000 by buying Stefano Hourmoses roulette computer mobile phone and trying to get at least $1000 back.

I do not have problem with it, but if you look carefully displayed set supplied earpiece is widely available to buy for $100 USD, I hope that buyer did not buy it from Stefano for $800 as advertised.

Huh and induction loop looks to big, probably bigger then FFA.